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Longbaugh01 posted:This is why it's funny that he's yet again a presidential candidate on 24. Yep he was on Season 3. He found out Dexter was a killer and became friends with him, murdering buddies.
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Longbaugh01 posted:This is why it's funny that he's yet again a presidential candidate on 24. He was but the season as a whole was hot garbage.
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X-O posted:Was NYPD Blue any good? Oh man. It and Homicide are the only two cop shows worth watching really. Barney Miller and Streets of San Francisco
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X-O posted:Was NYPD Blue any good? Oh man. It and Homicide are the only two cop shows worth watching really. Are we not counting The Wire or The Shield?
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Is The Shield actually good? I could not get into it at all, and the fact that Kurt Sutter worked on it makes me not want to touch it with a 10 foot poll.
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Snak posted:Is The Shield actually good? I could not get into it at all, and the fact that Kurt Sutter worked on it makes me not want to touch it with a 10 foot poll. It is of its time, but yes it's good.
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Escobarbarian posted:I'm considering catching up with New Girl as I wanna binge a feel-good sitcom. I dropped out early in season 4 because the close proximity of storylines where "lol Jess dates a guy with a micropenis" "lol big bag of meth" "lol Cece wants breast reduction and Schmidt is HORRIFIED!!!!!" really put me off it. Did it ever improve from weird poo poo like that? I loved s2 especially so wouldn't mind watching more. I still enjoy it but it's definitely made that move most long running sitcoms do of becoming a kind of parody of itself with increasingly silly plots to justify it's continuing existence. And Megan Fox became a regular.
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Apr 5, 2017 18:25
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The Shield has one of the more perfect depictions of an actual sociopath, rather than a fictional sociopath, in Vic Mackey. And his ending is absolutely perfect in light of that.
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Snak posted:Is The Shield actually good? I could not get into it at all, and the fact that Kurt Sutter worked on it makes me not want to touch it with a 10 foot poll. Dude....you've never seen The Shield? How is that even possible? It's one of the tv shows. And it's definitely a product of it's time (for example shot/intended for release in 4:3 even though there was an HD re-release) but some of the subjects they broached on that show are STILL hosed up today, it hasn't exactly become quaint. And yeah the entire SERIES has an arc, it's not season to season starting from scratch every time. poo poo that happens in season 1 and 2 snowball for the entire rest of the series and it matters. To me, as far as cop shows go, it's The Shield, and The Wire. One makes you go "gently caress YEAH! I could do that too! it'd be SIIIICK to be a cop! BUTTROCK BAWDIDDYBAW *tactical bro raid*" And the next one brings you right back to the harsh reality of the situation, that being a cop is a boring, scary slog, basically a war of attrition that you don't have the troops to win. They are two completely different cop shows but I feel like they compliment each other very nicely. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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bring back old gbs posted:Dude....you've never seen The Shield? How is that even possible? It's one of the tv shows. And it's definitely a product of it's time (for example shot/intended for release in 4:3 even though there was an HD re-release) but some of the subjects they broached on that show are STILL hosed up today, it hasn't exactly become quaint. I watched the first episode or two, and it just didn't hook me. Cops being pieces of poo poo is... not something it's super easy for me to get into.
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I already miss the Netflix star ratings. How am I supposed to rate something like Psych without the nuance of 2 and a half stars?
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Snak posted:I watched the first episode or two, and it just didn't hook me. Cops being pieces of poo poo is... not something it's super easy for me to get into. Well that's kind of the whole show though so I don't know if you'll be able to get into it. It's loosely based on a real corrupt LA gang police unit.
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I personally was put off by the whole XXXTREEEEEME Kid Rock "this ain't your MAMA'S COP SHOW" feel of the first couple eps of The Shield. But people tell me this subsides fairly quickly, so I plan on getting on it eventually.
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Snak posted:I watched the first episode or two, and it just didn't hook me. Cops being pieces of poo poo is... not something it's super easy for me to get into. It really opens up as they get past the initial first season hijinks of "cops are corrupt as gently caress, murder other cops to cover up misdeeds" and the story becomes less about them being corrupt cops and more about their lovely, conflicted lives and trying to stay above water as they deal with repercussions both legal and extra-legal. Plus the supporting cast is almost all rockstar level. Dutch is a loving champ the entire series despite being made to look like the sad sack good but feckless detective, the various police captains are all top tier, Forrest Whittaker kills it in every scene he's in, etc.
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It's pieces of poo poo arresting somehow larger pieces of poo poo. As the show goes on the divide is less and less until it basically flips around. Oh yeah and Sutter isn't allowed to go full Sutter in this. Shawn Ryan kept him on a short leash, and honestly I think Sutter can be a good writer/ideas guy in that scenario. He goes off the rails when given full creative control and you end up with guys being drowned in bathtubs full of piss and then some science guy comes into the thread and  "you know that much urine in a room and you wouldnt even be able to open your eyes due to the amonia"
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Escobarbarian posted:I personally was put off by the whole XXXTREEEEEME Kid Rock "this ain't your MAMA'S COP SHOW" feel of the first couple eps of The Shield. But people tell me this subsides fairly quickly, so I plan on getting on it eventually. I had forgotten it started out that way, yeah that goes away. But I guess if you are completely turned off by crooked cops or people doing bad things or whatever it is, The Shield is a whole lot of that. e: yeah like was said above, great cast, CCH Pounder and Forrest Whittaker kill it. So does whoever played Acaveda.
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bring back old gbs posted:It's pieces of poo poo arresting somehow larger pieces of poo poo. As the show goes on the divide is less and less until it basically flips around. I assumed it was fake urine because like, who's going to go through the effort of getting a bunch of guys to piss in a bathtub every day for weeks just to shoot an abusive porno. It's not like it's in smellovision.
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I mean, the Shield is pure, unfiltered terrible people doing terrible things. So I don't blame anyone for not wanting to watch that if its just not a tone they want to experience. But it does that extremely well with top to bottom great acting performances. Even if it definitely has some aging issues. Sutter is probably one of them since he was just a part of the Shield and it never reached SOA territory, but if you've seen SOA you'll probably recognize Sutter's influence in The Shield.
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I feel like having watched all of SOA (unfortunatly) has kind of poisoned me against The Shield. I'm sure I'll watch it eventually. I bounced of Mad Men pretty hard the first time I tried to watch it and went back later and ended up really loving it.
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I couldn't get through SOA season 2 but I loved The Shield.
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The Shield is good, SOA is bad. I understand why Sutter's rep reflects badly on The Shield, but it shouldn't. This is an incredibly empty statement but it really does feel that simple. I get why you make the association but the answer is really just to accept that the Shield is a show made by a better showrunner that used Sutter's influence only sparingly and never went to the extremes SOA did.
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There are more low points than high points in SOA. There's a couple of really great parts. Ron Perlman is great in it, Jimmy Smits is great in it. Stephen King is in it. After having seen the whole thing though, I cannot in good conscience recommend that anyone watch it. Just based on misogyny alone.
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Forrest Whittaker has incredible acting in The Shield. Glenn Close was also fun.
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Apr 5, 2017 19:11
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Has Forrest Whittaker ever given a bad performance? he's always amazing.
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Snak posted:Has Forrest Whittaker ever given a bad performance? he's always amazing. Nobody escapes Battlefield Earth unscathed.
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Snak posted:There are more low points than high points in SOA. There's a couple of really great parts. Ron Perlman is great in it, Jimmy Smits is great in it. Stephen King is in it. Yeah, no, SOA should never be recommended. Like, sometimes I think of suggesting S1 and then stopping but all that is is seeing a show with a ton of promise that never delivers. And sometimes I think of adding S2 but that has some strong performances that just ignore the stuff from S1 and leave you unresolved/confused. And S3 ties some of that up but in an unsatisfying way and with still plenty of unanswered threads and firmly in the "more bad than good" territory. Its bad and should be burned to prevent others from being soiled by its false promises in the future.
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Season 1 is also really bad though. In fact, I didn't really like it at all. I want to say s3 was the high point? But I don't actually remember which season is which.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Just one so far in the dumbest loving way. Also the only group that has successfully faced the terrorists so far are a group of drug dealer gangsters. What's up with shittily written TV shows lionizing gangsters as heroes. That bit in the first season of Walking Bad, with the gangsters protecting a nursing home, was laugh out terrible. edit; Actually I can tell you as I am a real life version of Conspiracy Brother from Undercover Brother, its because predominantly white writing crews can't relate to minorities other than to make them criminals or victims, and if they include one hey points for them so....
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Shageletic posted:What's up with shittily written TV shows lionizing gangsters as heroes. That bit in the first season of Walking Bad, with the gangsters protecting a nursing home, was laugh out terrible. How dare you speak ill of the "vato with a heart of gold" trope!
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Snak posted:Season 1 is also really bad though. In fact, I didn't really like it at all. I want to say s3 was the high point? But I don't actually remember which season is which. Its been long enough that I really can't speak on it with any confidence but my memory is that S1 is flawed but has a lot of promise with the Hamlet/Macbeth themes and Ron Pearlman and Katey Segal as Shakespearian villains, S2 has a pretty great performance from Segal and some compelling story but completely betrays S1's themes and twists up the "good guys" and "bad guys", and S3 attempts to clean that all up but does it in a way that's really insulting to the "good guys" and themes of S1. So basically there were some good actors and it was kind of good when it was stealing some of the most classic story themes in history, but it all went to hell because Sutter is a terrible writer.
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STAC Goat posted:So basically there were some good actors and it was kind of good when it was stealing some of the most classic story themes in history, but it all went to hell because Sutter is a terrible writer. There was nobody there to reign him in. On The Shield Shawn Ryan was there to say, "No Kurt, having Dutch become a serial killer is a loving stupid idea".
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STAC Goat posted:Its been long enough that I really can't speak on it with any confidence but my memory is that S1 is flawed but has a lot of promise with the Hamlet/Macbeth themes and Ron Pearlman and Katey Segal as Shakespearian villains, S2 has a pretty great performance from Segal and some compelling story but completely betrays S1's themes and twists up the "good guys" and "bad guys", and S3 attempts to clean that all up but does it in a way that's really insulting to the "good guys" and themes of S1. The early seasons make it look like there's a definite arc and character growth that gets tossed out the loving window once Sutter used up all his Shakespeare comparisons and replaced them with pointless murders and butt rock riding/chase scenes. SOA is still an interesting show for the most part and it turns into a male soap opera up until season 5 when it can't even stay internally consistent or bother doing anything other then pointless violence(oh and tons of rape, including Sutter's own character). This is a show about a biker gang that is shown to have no problems with minorities in any way shape or form, yet the "dark secret" that one of the core members is half black and not 100% puerto rican is a major season plot at once point. Flatscan posted:There was nobody there to reign him in. On The Shield Shawn Ryan was there to say, "No Kurt, having Dutch become a serial killer is a loving stupid idea". There's a quote by Shawn Ryan about how Sutter was one of the best idea guys they had but every now and again he'd be pitching some completely insane plot twist and the entire room would just stare at him like a crazy person before rejecting it outright.
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Flatscan posted:There was nobody there to reign him in. On The Shield Shawn Ryan was there to say, "No Kurt, having Dutch become a serial killer is a loving stupid idea". lol just found out what Shawn Ryan's latest project was The Get Down I did not expect that, but it makes sense, quality wise.
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pentyne posted:The early seasons make it look like there's a definite arc and character growth that gets tossed out the loving window once Sutter used up all his Shakespeare comparisons and replaced them with pointless murders and butt rock riding/chase scenes. SOA is still an interesting show for the most part and it turns into a male soap opera up until season 5 when it can't even stay internally consistent or bother doing anything other then pointless violence(oh and tons of rape, including Sutter's own character). And resolves with the gang saying "Why the gently caress did you do all that stupid poo poo to cover it up? We don't care!" Its shocking what a bad writer Sutter is when he's not just throwing ideas at Ryan or stealing from Shakespeare.
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Like, the response of the MC when they find out that Juice was being blackmailed for having a black dad is "Holy poo poo, we should change some of those ancient bylaws" but there's also no forgiveness or sympathy, and the main character of the show makes Juice his slave to do all his dirty work and then eventually trades him off to another gang to be repeatedly raped. Because. Also though last few bigs things that happen on the show are supposed to be serious and tragic and profound, but are actually so monumentally stupid that you can't take them seriously at all. Even a little bit.
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Well doesn't he like murder fellow gang members and rat them out to the cops and betray the IRA all in the course of covering up the thing he had no reason to cover up?
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Snak posted:Like, the response of the MC when they find out that Juice was being blackmailed for having a black dad is "Holy poo poo, we should change some of those ancient bylaws" but there's also no forgiveness or sympathy, and the main character of the show makes Juice his slave to do all his dirty work and then eventually trades him off to another gang to be repeatedly raped. Because.  I'm glad I stopped at the end of season 2 with the hilarious baby kidnapping also the perpetrator of said hilarity goes to Ireland by speedboat from California 
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Snak posted:Like, the response of the MC when they find out that Juice was being blackmailed for having a black dad is "Holy poo poo, we should change some of those ancient bylaws" but there's also no forgiveness or sympathy, and the main character of the show makes Juice his slave to do all his dirty work and then eventually trades him off to another gang to be repeatedly raped. Because. Sutter really tried to create a ton of dramatic, drawn out scenes but they usually consisted of 5-10 minutes of characters slowly talking while the audience was screaming "loving KILL HIM/HER ALREADY STOP WITH THE WEEPY BULLSHIT!" because after 7 seasons of the exact same type of poo poo there's no emotional punch to anything the show did only a bunch of mystified reactions or outright laughter at it. Just as a reminder, Sutter's big follow up to SOA was The Bastard Executioner which was such a hilarious misfire that he had a Twitter breakdown when FX pulled the show after 3 episodes.
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