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Pedro De Heredia posted:What the gently caress even is this. "Minimum WAGE DISPROPORTIONALLY helps people who have WAGES". Yeah, no poo poo, that's who it's supposed to help. Vote Clinton, she promises to do nothing to benefit anyone, and that's called fairness. Edit: adding a fat dog, give me ten minutes 
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List of policies advocated only by HRC that disproportionately help destitute POC families: Deregulation of Wall Street (the market of office furniture cardboard boxes will implode, making housing more affordable)
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Pedro De Heredia posted:What the gently caress even is this. "Minimum WAGE DISPROPORTIONALLY helps people who have WAGES". Yeah, no poo poo, that's who it's supposed to help. I know you're quite stupid, but you can't benefit a class that doesn't exist. Oh I get it, racism ended in the 19th century. There are no institutional disadvantages that need to be addressed.
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Frijolero posted:Hmm yes, my progressive Mexican girlfriend is racist. Please keep digging that hole you piece of poo poo. hahhhahha and she didn't vote against trump. She really needs an "other" to hate against.
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Apr 5, 2017 15:40
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People keep talking about how policies of her opponents disproportionately help white waelthy (what) guys, but they always forget to mention Hillary's great plans to lift the minorities out of poverty at a disproportionately high rates.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I know you're quite stupid, but you can't benefit a class that doesn't exist. Found one person who believes Hillary had a plan to address institutional issues that would include actual policy making rather than some platitudes made from time to time.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:hahhhahha and she didn't vote against trump. She really needs an "other" to hate against. Agreed, as a liberal I believe those minority idiots can't be trusted to govern themselves.
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Again: as with every other thing Clinton and her campaign and her followers said, it's her past that makes her message lack credibility, which in turns makes people believe (correctly) that it is an argument in bad faith. There are plenty of possible criticisms of Sanders' policies and of "Bernie Bros" from an anti-racist perspective, but they are not believable coming from Hillary Clinton, or people who supported Hillary Clinton. When you point out that there are institutional disadvantages that need to be addressed, the political message lacks credibility because Clinton and the establishment Democrats wouldn't have done anything about these institutional disadvantages. When you criticize people who supported Sanders for 'throwing PoC under the bus' as an indirect defense of Clinton and establishment dems, it lacks credibility because Clinton herself was 'throwing PoC under the bus' the last time she ran for President.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Again: as with every other thing Clinton and her campaign and her followers said, it's her past that makes her message lack credibility, which in turns makes people believe (correctly) that it is an argument in bad faith. you might want to check with PoC communities before making such wrong statements. Obviously not giving full lip service to white folk like Sanders and Trump did was not the path to success in 2016. steinrokkan posted:Agreed, as a liberal I believe those minority idiots can't be trusted to govern themselves. Submarine Sandpaper fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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yeah free ponies sounds like a great policy but consider that minorities are disproportionately less likely to possess the land needed to maintain such a beast and to be able to shoulder the veterinary expensds
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Well policy certainly doesn't matter for that voter. What policies were offered.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:you might want to check with PoC communities before making such wrong statements. I don't need to consult with anyone to tell them their candidate was bad. The election actually happened, she lost. Part of her loss was due to decreased turnout amongst African Americans. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Calibanibal posted:yeah free ponies sounds like a great policy but consider that minorities are disproportionately less likely to possess the land needed to maintain such a beast and to be able to shoulder the veterinary expensds Minorities and women in general are overrepresented at bottom wage levels as well.
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I mean this is the same as when people criticize Sanders for focusing too much on Wall Street and saying all of America's problems are Wall Street. That criticism is much more believable when it's not coming from people who actually like Wall Street.
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Are people in this thread now arguing a higher minimum wage doesn't disproportionately help low income Americans (who are again disproportionately non-white) the most?
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Are people in this thread now arguing a higher minimum wage doesn't disproportionately help low income Americans (who are again disproportionately non-white) the most? That dumb liberal hack is arguing that. Using the same bullshit race tactics that Hillarybots used on Bernie and his supporters. "Lefties don't address racial issues"  Not realizing that the Clintons and Co. are a major reason for deep poverty among minorities.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:I don't need to consult with anyone to tell them their candidate was bad. The election actually happened, she lost.  quote:Part of her loss was due to decreased turnout amongst African Americans. El Pollo Blanco posted:Are people in this thread now arguing a higher minimum wage doesn't disproportionately help low income Americans (who are again disproportionately non-white) the most?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Weirdly enough this correlated strongly with states that enacted new voter laws... I wonder why? PA doesn't have voter ID laws.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I did not make this argument. There are certainly problems assuming a higher min wage will help the AA community as much as other demographics. I find your implication that african-americans are shiftless welfare queens problematic. Maybe you should check your racism?
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Also Hillary also supported a higher wage (except when she didn't, of course), so she is racist. These fucktards carrying water for Right To Work politicians are so infuriating.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:There are plenty of possible criticisms of Sanders' policies and of "Bernie Bros" from an anti-racist perspective, but they are not believable coming from Hillary Clinton, or people who supported Hillary Clinton. "I'm open to hearing criticism, but not from anyone who disagreed."
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Nevvy Z posted:"I'm open to hearing criticism, but not from anyone who disagreed." "Oh you supported Sanders and then campaigned for Hillary because you were terrified of the orange fascist? Criticism INVALID"
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steinrokkan posted:WHat policies did Hillary Clinton offer that would have been a better fit for the stupid minorities you are mocking here? Cerebral Bore posted:I find your implication that african-americans are shiftless welfare queens problematic. Maybe you should check your racism?
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Agnosticnixie posted:PA doesn't have voter ID laws. Inversely, Virginia has strict voter ID laws and she still won the state. Voter ID is bullshit and racist, but only blaming Voter ID is incredibly feckless and stupid.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Weirdly enough this correlated strongly with states that enacted new voter laws... I wonder why? Post the numbers. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:You're projecting a bit here. Do you deny systematic disadvantages for AAs? Do you deny that african-americans can and do have jobs?
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Nevvy Z posted:"I'm open to hearing criticism, but not from anyone who disagreed." But we are not talking about criticism. We are talking about two candidates and who had the better policies. When Clinton criticized Sanders, the implicit (or often explicit) message was: my policies are better. It's like if Sanders was out there criticizing Trump for not being conservative enough, it's completely disingenuous.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I know you're quite stupid, but you can't benefit a class that doesn't exist. We could address these institutional disadvantages but would that end racism?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Do you deny that african-americans can and do have jobs? Tight Booty Shorts posted:We could address these institutional disadvantages but would that end racism?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:They have 2x the unemployment of other races across all demographics and PoC as a whole are more likely to be paid under the table. This, to you, Mr. Progressive, is working as intended I guess and something that should be defended. Why are you minimizing the african-american working class and why do you use the exploitation of part of it as justification to deny another part of it better wages? Dividing minorities against themselves is a classic racist tactic, you know.
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Twice the unemployment rate of whites is terrible and symptomatic of racism in hiring, but black people are also more likely to be paid at or under minimum wage and overrepresented at any level of income below 15$ an hour. It doesn't fix the first part but it's definitely not "candy for middle class whites."
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Cerebral Bore posted:Why are you minimizing the african-american working class and why do you use the exploitation of part of it as justification to deny another part of it better wages? Dividing minorities against themselves is a classic racist tactic, you know. Are you unable to read?
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Nevvy Z posted:"I'm open to hearing criticism, but not from anyone who disagreed." Well yes that is how it ou think. I mean you admitted to being a petulant child earlier.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Are you unable to read? Are you unable to give a straight answer?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Mocking? Perhaps you'd like to classify me as a "low information voter." What policies did HRC offer that were disproportionately beneficial to minorities that weren't offered by her opponent. How long are you going to dodge the question, you sophist.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:She certainly was on social issues, but that's not too interesting because it's more of a function of the country or at least the democratic party being more to the left on many social issues like gay marriage and transgender rights. But I think she probably was on most issues as well-- she ran as a continuation but it's not like Obama was talking about a 15 dollar min wage to the degree she did. Clinton only adopted the $15 minimum wage after Sanders did, though. And even then she dragged her feet on it until well into the general election. Submarine Sandpaper posted:Are you unable to read? Please answer steinrokkan's question: steinrokkan posted:WHat policies did Hillary Clinton offer that would have been a better fit for the stupid minorities you are mocking here?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Are you unable to give a straight answer? Agnosticnixie posted:Twice the unemployment rate of whites is terrible and symptomatic of racism in hiring, but black people are also more likely to be paid at or under minimum wage and overrepresented at any level of income below 15$ an hour.
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A min wage increase wont help those sign twirlers (who are disproportionately black) because they all get paid under the table. how does the poor soul dressed up like lady liberty on nebraska ave benefit from bernie's "progressivism?"
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Calibanibal posted:A min wage increase wont help those sign twirlers (who are disproportionately black) because they all get paid under the table. how does the poor soul dressed up like lady liberty on nebraska ave benefit from bernie's "progressivism?" Step 1: round up their bosses. Step 2: guillotine.
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