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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:"the second half of full metal jacket is garbage" is the film equivalent of "nirvana and the beatles are overrated" Ranking of Nirvana albums: 1) MTV Unplugged 2) Nevermind 3) the few good songs that can be picked from In Utero 4) 5) Bleach
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Das Boo posted:So do you guys really think the Beatles are just that great, or what? Yes. Yes I do. 
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Apr 5, 2017 15:29
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Apr 5, 2017 15:34
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Das Boo posted:So do you guys really think the Beatles are just that great, or what? The Beatles are pretty good, dude
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Apr 5, 2017 15:40
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I guess I really don't get it. They're fine, it's catchy pop music. But their songs were repetitive, their lyrics banal and all the stuff I really liked from them came after the split. I can't get behind being obsessed with them and thinking they're music's end-all.
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Apr 5, 2017 15:56
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I don't know anything about music history and trends, and I'm not interested in saying that The Beatles were overrated, but the thing about The Beatles, is that if you lived a million years ago, you either listened to The Beatles or The Rolling Stones, not both, and I can appreciate The Beatles, but if you want to be at a venue that plays like Yellow Submarine and Strawberry Fields Forever, rather than one that plays Paint It Black, then let's split up and meet later.
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Apr 5, 2017 15:56
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Never owned a beatles album and never will
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Apr 5, 2017 16:02
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Come to think of it, if you listened to Jimi Hendrix do The Beatles stuff, then I'm not sure why you would even consider The Beatles being the best at even being The Beatles.
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Apr 5, 2017 16:03
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Das Boo posted:I guess I really don't get it. They're fine, it's catchy pop music. But their songs were repetitive, their lyrics banal and all the stuff I really liked from them came after the split.
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Apr 5, 2017 16:12
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Das Boo posted:I guess I really don't get it. They're fine, it's catchy pop music. But their songs were repetitive, their lyrics banal Today The Beatles' sound does show its age, but you can't really deny that they've played a pretty big role in music history. They were essentially the first (successful) boy band.
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Apr 5, 2017 16:17
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They also evolved into so much more than a boy band. Their detractors act like their career begins and ends with She Loves You.
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Apr 5, 2017 16:29
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I'm taking a 20-year break from the Beatles. Like everyone else my age, I got very into them as a teen (my sister buying all the digital remasters helped) so they're kinda done to death for me. By the time I'm 40 it'll probably fun again.
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Apr 5, 2017 16:41
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Collateral Damage posted:That's pretty much all pop music though, then as well as now. It's kind of what defines pop, and not necessarily in a negative context. That's all fine and dandy, but as you say it's pop music. It has all the flaws and limitations of pop music. I appreciate their historical significance, but I don't think it makes their music great. There are plenty of historically significant musicians that I can enjoy the music of without context.
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Apr 5, 2017 16:53
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Das Boo posted:all the stuff I really liked from them came after the split. We've found him. The guy who thinks Wings is better than the Beatles
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Apr 5, 2017 16:59
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I totally respect the fact that some people don't like the Beatles; to each his own. But I don't get where "their songs are dated" is coming from. Just listen to whatever music you like, don't listen to what you don't like, and leave others to what they like. Bottom line.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:04
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LOL at y'all arguing about music. LOL y'all actually care about that stuff, lol :smirks as I sink back into my own self-satisfied certainty of superiority, my double chin bulging forth and hands resting on my belly: :farts:
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Apr 5, 2017 17:06
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No one is required to like The Beatles, it's fine to not be into it, but when some one claims they are terrible I just assume they are dumb and not worth listening to about anything. It's just such a teenage edgelord statement.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:10
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I totally respect the fact that some people don't like the Beatles; to each his own. But I don't get where "their songs are dated" is coming from. Do you really not get how something like "I wanna hold your hand" seems dated?
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Apr 5, 2017 17:11
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't get why fans of Married With Children always use the Cosby Show as an example of '80s sitcoms with perfect families. Have they ever watched an episode of Cosby? Those kids were constantly getting in trouble for slacking off in school, drinking, sneaking off without permission, etc. The point of Cosby wasn't that the Huxtables were perfect, but that they were a typical family with typical problems that ultimately loved and looked out for each other. while the show was intended to more generally parody the family sit coms of the 80s, the shooting title of MWC before it was properly named was literally Not the Cosbys so at least the creators thought to make that comparison during production- anyway instead of just facing problems it's more like the Bundys were inherently dysfunctional whereas other contemporary families were ultimately functional even if they had to deal with the occasional bad report card or whatever the weird thing is people at the time sometimes ended up relating more to the Bundys than to other families even tho they were a straight caricature of working class slobs, probably because they weren't afraid to deal with chronic issues nobody else would touch
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Apr 5, 2017 17:25
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I wasn't going to argue about this, but God drat this is too good:Henchman of Santa posted:They also evolved into so much more than a boy band. Their detractors act like their career begins and ends with She Loves You. WampaLord posted:Do you really not get how something like "I wanna hold your hand" seems dated? Between this and the relationships thread, you are really on a roll today, wampa. You are a dumb poo poo.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:27
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:Between this and the relationships thread, you are really on a roll today, wampa. You dumb poo poo. I am in the right in that thread, y'all are goons who can't empathize with being a 17 year old girl and having emotions.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:28
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I like the Beatles. I just don't love 'em. 
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Apr 5, 2017 17:34
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I like most music, so long as it's rap or country. everything else is bad.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:38
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Post Your Personally Held Unpopular Opinion: Show me your Beatles memorabilia collection
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Apr 5, 2017 17:40
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What is the genre of halsey and chainsmokers? That's bad. Also why do music videos look like fragrance ads now.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:42
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WampaLord posted:Do you really not get how something like "I wanna hold your hand" seems dated? Nope. I mean, I know where you're coming from, but I think that good music is universal across time and generations. hard counter posted:while the show was intended to more generally parody the family sit coms of the 80s, the shooting title of MWC before it was properly named was literally Not the Cosbys so at least the creators thought to make that comparison during production- anyway instead of just facing problems it's more like the Bundys were inherently dysfunctional whereas other contemporary families were ultimately functional even if they had to deal with the occasional bad report card or whatever True. That's one thing I'll definitely give to MWC: it was probably more realistic about certain issues than most other family sitcoms of its time. Cosby was one of the first to show a successful, loving black family, but the Huxtables were rich enough to be somewhat out of touch. Not that they never had issues, but the Bundys, like the Connors in Roseanne, were probably closer to the day-by-day experiences of a lot of people who watched that show.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:44
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WampaLord posted:I am in the right in that thread, y'all are goons who can't empathize with being a 17 year old girl and having emotions. You made what the dad did out to be way worse than it was, for the sake of being provocative. Just like you picked the earliest and most dated song you could think of to represent the Beatles' body of work. You are your own worst enemy.
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Apr 5, 2017 17:44
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I'm not really fond of music, except for rap and country. and dubstep
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Apr 5, 2017 17:55
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lemon-lyme disease posted:I loved McNuggets when I was a kid. Not so fond of them now. Somewhere in between, I was told that "way back when" they used to be part fish nugget. I have no idea whether or not that's true, but some part of me believes the story. Years ago McNuggets could have pretty much any chicken meat in them and the interior had a darker appearance. They then changed to a guarantee that all nuggets used 100% white meat. So you should be able to rest easy that McNuggets don't contain random chicken byproducts.
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Apr 5, 2017 18:23
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If the Beatles come on the radio, I won't change the station
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Apr 5, 2017 18:42
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:True. That's one thing I'll definitely give to MWC: it was probably more realistic about certain issues than most other family sitcoms of its time. Cosby was one of the first to show a successful, loving black family, but the Huxtables were rich enough to be somewhat out of touch. Not that they never had issues, but the Bundys, like the Connors in Roseanne, were probably closer to the day-by-day experiences of a lot of people who watched that show. yeah, that's pretty much the situation; al also ended up being something of a working class hero for a time because the show runners were alright with depicting him as a dude with base tastes who still put in his 8 hours everyday on a menial, thankless job and still tried to be a provider despite his misery and ongoing family problems, something certain people related more to than the mostly squeaky clean, erudite upper middle class leading men of the 80s fun fact, roseanne was one of the actors slated to be peggy until they cast katey sagal
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Das Boo posted:That's all fine and dandy, but as you say it's pop music. It has all the flaws and limitations of pop music. I appreciate their historical significance, but I don't think it makes their music great. There are plenty of historically significant musicians that I can enjoy the music of without context. I find that most people who criticize pop music for being too simple do not actually have the musical background to understand what constitutes musical complexity. I would actually go as far as claiming that pop music is, on average, more musically complex than most non-pop genres. I might make an exception to this lyrically, but I can't count the number of times I've seen someone comment on how complex a song was despite it actually not being remotely more complicated than even simple pop music. Among the worst examples of this are people confusing "being in a minor key" or "involving acoustic guitar" as being inherently more complex than upbeat pop tunes.
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Pop songs are typically written by extremely talented people and then "performed" by whoever the record studio thinks will sell the most albums. There's exceptions obviously, but I agree that just because it's pop doesn't mean it's talentless.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:09
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I thought computer algorithms figured out how to write a hit pop song a few years ago.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:25
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Mu Zeta posted:I thought computer algorithms figured out how to write a hit pop song a few years ago. Ha, that's been happening since the Roland MC-303 Groovebox.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:28
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The main issue with pop music is that it's super lame.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:40
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Isn't pop like a cross-genre thing that doesn't really describe anything about form or content? Like, genres can be broad and all, but something being labeled pop doesn't say anything about themes, style, commonly used instruments, or anything else. If something is popular or mainstream enough, people will start to consider it pop no matter what it is.
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Apr 5, 2017 21:53
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Grandmother of Five posted:Isn't pop like a cross-genre thing that doesn't really describe anything about form or content? Like, genres can be broad and all, but something being labeled pop doesn't say anything about themes, style, commonly used instruments, or anything else. If something is popular or mainstream enough, people will start to consider it pop no matter what it is. Yeah, a huge variety of music falls under the heading of "pop." It's pretty much the word used to describe any music that has popular appeal and doesn't fall into some existing genre. I wouldn't say that becoming popular makes something pop on its own though; there has to be the combination of "is popular" and "isn't some other genre."
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Apr 5, 2017 21:59
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What "pop" means changes over time. I couldn't tell you exactly what "pop appeal" means today, but I know that 10 years ago, "pop appeal" meant you used Auto-Tune in your song and had a rapper do a guest verse. Likewise, "pop appeal" in the 1980s meant you used gated reverb on your drums and you had synthesizers and a saxophone solo and "pop appeal" in the 1950s and 1960s meant you got a string orchestra and recorded Broadway songs.
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I listen solely to New Retro Wave stuff. It is the only genre of music that can satisfy my vast universal intellect, the like of which y'all can not even fathom, so profound are my merest thoughts, the most fleeting of fancies would explode your brain if they arose within it, if your brain were even capable of producing such thoughts, which it isn't. Why, just this instant I was thinking to myself "Poopy poop farty poops" in a sing-song "inner voice". To me, 'twas an meaningless but harmless bit of idle nonsense to while away a lazy afternoon. But to you it no doubt represents something sublime and profound, perhaps even Divine, as to be a manifestation of the highest Monad from whence all things emanate. Anyway, here are some phat beats: Dynatron - Dust of Saturn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ud5yDjM63I Dynatron - Propulsion Overdrive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKHRerwGXwU "Running in the '80s" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdaMPZtLd_c Here's a cool remix of Crockett's Theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZoGCjJTKJs Apart from these, I am also a fan of some of the music from the 1981 film Excalibur: The Wedding chant - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTQuHgrhNI So yeah, y'all can have your adorable but ineffectual little slapfights over The Beatles, if ya like. By all means, provide me with some free entertainment.
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