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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Charliegrs posted:

Unimaginable? No of course not. But it's not like Putin doesn't have a history of literally blowing up his own people to justify a war.

i mean i can believe it, but war with who?

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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Dapper_Swindler posted:

you think its a repeat of the apartment bombings? maybe, idk, i assume its probaly ISIS or some homegrown dickheads.

I meant this response came off more like surprise to me, and the media response seems uncoordinated, but it's a lovely basis for speculation on such a sensitive matter.

At any rate they are blaming a suicide bomber from Kazakhstan (different from the man who was dragged all over the media for taking subway while visibly Muslim
earlier in the day).

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT

OddObserver posted:

I meant this response came off more like surprise to me, and the media response seems uncoordinated, but it's a lovely basis for speculation on such a sensitive matter.

At any rate they are blaming a suicide bomber from Kazakhstan (different from the man who was dragged all over the media for taking subway while visibly Muslim
earlier in the day).

Guess which country have over 20% russian inhabitants? No, not Ukraine, they have less than 20%, though they are soon going to have a lot of things common.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

How might/would Putin take advantage of the US being at war with North Korea?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

steinrokkan posted:

There's no way Putin has any interest in ousting Kadyrov. If he wants to set Chechnya straight, he will do so by making Kadyrov apply pressure, not by replacing him.

Yeah, it would be a tragic waste of a cartoonish real life Bond villain.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



The majority of the kazaki oilfields are in the west, by the caspian. In what regions do the ethnic russians predominantly live?

E. wiki says the north. Ok, so a hosed up war against kazakstan wouldn't be easy or gainful enough. That, and the uncordinated media response should be enough basic facts to disprove any ideas about KGB bomb campaings :)

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Apr 4, 2017

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

The majority of the kazaki oilfields are in the west, by the caspian. In what regions do the ethnic russians predominantly live?

E. wiki says the north. Ok, so a hosed up war against kazakstan wouldn't be easy or gainful enough. That, and the uncordinated media response should be enough basic facts to disprove any ideas about KGB bomb campaings :)

No war against Khazakhstan, it is grassroots protest of concerned Khazakhs of pure Russian ethnicity to resist criminals of terrorist race!

Warbadger fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 4, 2017

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011
Kazakhstan (and its elites) get along well enough with Russia. There's very little chance that Putin would try anything. It would also send the rest of Central Asia into the hands of the Chinese with no effort. It's entirely possible that this bombing was carried out or facilitated by Russian state agents (wouldn't be the first time), but if it was, then going to war with Kazakhstan would be a rather strange reason for doing so.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Hasn't Putin expended a bunch of diplomatic effort on creating a Central Asian Coprosperity Sphere? The Eurasian Union (so much bigger than the EU!) was only ratified in 2014.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
Current narrative is that the bomber is from Kyrgyzstan, and a Russian citizen. Without further details as to a motive (i.e. something more detailed than from a country with historical ties to Russia with a majority Muslim populace), that's not really a whole lot to go on, even if one can probably make some educated guesses based on recent Russian foreign policy.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:

Current narrative is that the bomber is from Kyrgyzstan, and a Russian citizen. Without further details as to a motive (i.e. something more detailed than from a country with historical ties to Russia with a majority Muslim populace), that's not really a whole lot to go on, even if one can probably make some educated guesses based on recent Russian foreign policy.

Ah, so the Kazakh student named in the press was another false accusation, this time directed towards one of the victims?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




OddObserver posted:

Ah, so the Kazakh student named in the press was another false accusation, this time directed towards one of the victims?
Yea, 21 year old Kyrgyz is the general suspect, his parents being interrogated by Kyrgyz KGB (GKNB) overnight. Their family lived in SPb until 2011, parents then moved back, leaving son in Russia.

E: Looks like Chechen religious elite is entering the pissing contest over the rumoured war on gays. They are threatening to fight media's slander of glorious Chechen people, the insinuations of homosexuality amongst them.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Apr 4, 2017

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Yea, 21 year old Kyrgyz is the general suspect, his parents being interrogated by Kyrgyz KGB (GKNB) overnight. Their family lived in SPb until 2011, parents then moved back, leaving son in Russia.


Now rosbalt is claiming to have spoken to the alleged suicide bomber over the phone. Obviously it's kinda hard to verify identity like that, but if even this accusation turns out inaccurate...

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




OddObserver posted:

Now rosbalt is claiming to have spoken to the alleged suicide bomber over the phone. Obviously it's kinda hard to verify identity like that, but if even this accusation turns out inaccurate...
Oh well, we'll see. At least they aren't pulling an IRA over Ukraine with this incident.

E: Does the Rosbalt article you refer to mention any names? http://sledcom.ru/news/item/1113441/

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Apr 4, 2017

Dusty Baker 2
Jul 8, 2011

Keyboard Inghimasi
So there have been protests in Serbia (well were last night) and they're expected to continue tonight. People are upset with the outcome of the election and the lack of transparency involved with said election. Basically Aleksandar Vučić is a budding authoritarian and this election puts him another step closer to the power he and his party are seeking. Things have gotten so intense that even goons are venturing outdoors to join the protests, with my dad taking his position at the front of at least one of the protests. My dad was then attacked by government provocateurs, but provoke him they did not, for my dad is a level-headed man. I am proud of my dad.

Update: Protests in Novi Sad are over, but more are scheduled for tomorrow night.



Pictured: Somewhere in the crowd is our fatherly figure.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Novaya Gazeta is painting a very damning picture of LGBT repressions in Chechnya.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

The next protest in Belarus is supposed to be on 1 May. People are just now getting out of jail for the last one.

So the results of Monday's meeting in St. Petersburg is that Belarus will receive more oil after they pay their three quarters of a billion bill for gas.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Novaya Gazeta is painting a very damning picture of LGBT repressions in Chechnya.

glad to see Russia is defending Western values on its territory and keeping in check radical religious tendencies

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Kurtofan posted:

glad to see Russia is defending Western values on its territory and keeping in check radical religious tendencies
Basically the morning story from Novaya Gazeta details secret prisons for gays, and that the entire crackdown went down after some random gay dude got detained, his phone snooped for contacts, hookups, pornography afterwards. Chair of Chechen parliament, "Lord" Daudov, did allegedly catch the wind of it, and order the crackdown based on the information available on that dude's phone.

E: Tillerson will be talking Ukraine with Lavrov on April 11 in Moscow, amongst other things.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 5, 2017

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
What was the conclusion of the protests against the bill legalizing bribery in Romania?

The last thing I remember, the government was withdrawing it, but had the introduction of reintroducing it after some unspecified changes.

Dusty Baker 2
Jul 8, 2011

Keyboard Inghimasi
Apparently there were provocateurs in the crowd in Belgrade during the protests. I didn't see much on the livestreams I was watching but there were reports on Twitter and other forms of social media about it.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Cool so I guess someone's still alive at the state department, I was worried that they'd just stay silent.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/state-department-calls-on-russia-to-investigate-reported?utm_term=.ico5YAzE5#.hheP2rLwP

quote:

“We are aware of troubling reports that local authorities in the Republic of Chechnya have arrested or detained more than 100 men, as well as reports that three of those detained were killed. We condemn violence against any individuals based on their sexual orientation or any other basis. We urge the Russian government to conduct an independent and credible investigation into the alleged killings and mass arrests, and hold the perpetrators responsible. We were likewise deeply disturbed by local authorities statements that apparently condone and even incite violence against LGBTI persons.

We are very concerned by the widespread discrimination and violence against LGBTI persons in Russia or any society. We call on the Russian government to protect all people from discrimination and violence, and allow the free exercise of the freedoms of expression, association, peaceful assembly, and religion or belief.”

Dusty Baker 2
Jul 8, 2011

Keyboard Inghimasi

Dusty Baker 2 posted:

Apparently there were provocateurs in the crowd in Belgrade during the protests. I didn't see much on the livestreams I was watching but there were reports on Twitter and other forms of social media about it.

As it turns out, my dad was at the protests in his town. Apparently provocateurs wanted to start poo poo with the crowd he was with and the crowd got wind, so along with some others, he helped physically steer the crowd away from where the provocateurs were gonna be and back to safety. I guess some goons go outside after all.

edit: my dad, not my actual father.

Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Apr 6, 2017

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Russia found a new group to gently caress with

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/world/europe/russia-moves-to-ban-jehovahs-witnesses-as-extremist.html?_r=0

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Genuinely happy for such outcome. With how brazen Jehovah's witnesses are here, I'm sad they aren't banned everywhere.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Genuinely happy for such outcome. With how brazen Jehovah's witnesses are here, I'm sad they aren't banned everywhere.

My only extended interaction with a Jehovah's Witness was a feeble old man I felt too guilty to turn away from my door who rambled on about how the gays were an abomination. Based on that they seem like they would fit in very well in Russia.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




GhostofJohnMuir posted:

My only extended interaction with a Jehovah's Witness was a feeble old man I felt too guilty to turn away from my door who rambled on about how the gays were an abomination. Based on that they seem like they would fit in very well in Russia.
My friend had them try to break into his apartment twice after he told them off on a doorstep. Right now they also have "emissaries" on standing with booklets and poo poo on the intersections with busier children traffic. I don't care what people preach to themselves in their own home or whatever, but get that poo poo off the streets.

A Pale Horse
Jul 29, 2007

They mostly just stand around tram stops with Watchtower literature here and aren't particularly aggressive. Sometimes old ladies come to the door but if you tell them no thank you politely, they accept that and move on. Maybe its because I'm a pretty big dude (1,92m), but I've never had any issues with them.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




A Pale Horse posted:

They mostly just stand around tram stops with Watchtower literature here and aren't particularly aggressive. Sometimes old ladies come to the door but if you tell them no thank you politely, they accept that and move on. Maybe its because I'm a pretty big dude (1,92m), but I've never had any issues with them.
Door-to-door JWs here usually are youngish people, who walk in groups of 2-3, probably in large part for their personal safety. My hometown being rural highlands, every other guy is a rather massive and aggressive grouch.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
There's a family of JWs in our apartment building. They have been model neighbors.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




This Estonian guy has been sentenced to 11 years of strict colony.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
They're usually polite and not too pushy in my experience.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




In my personal experience, they have been polite, but rather pushy.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


My flat mate used to throw buckets at them in Vladivostok, I've never seen them other than that.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I don't care what people preach to themselves in their own home or whatever, but get that poo poo off the streets.

As long as this applies to everyone shutting up about their stupid beliefs in public I'm on board (especially idiot protesters).

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




spacetoaster posted:

As long as this applies to everyone shutting up about their stupid beliefs in public I'm on board (especially idiot protesters).
That's the idea. Feel free to do whatever that is your thing which is not inadvertently or otherwise harmful to someone else, just keep it to yourself.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

cinci zoo sniper posted:

That's the idea. Feel free to do whatever that is your thing which is not inadvertently or otherwise harmful to someone else, just keep it to yourself.

Thanks for sharing your beliefs with us. :jerkbag: Sheesh, keep it to yourself. :colbert:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




spacetoaster posted:

Thanks for sharing your beliefs with us. :jerkbag: Sheesh, keep it to yourself. :colbert:
:pusheen:

In other news, Ukrainian citizens have gained visa-free travel rights to the majority of EU nations. They can travel for tourism, business, or personal visit purpose to all EU countries except for UK and Ireland, limited to 90 days in 180 day periods.

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend
Great, now Poland can claim to have accepted ten million Ukrainian refugees.

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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

cinci zoo sniper posted:

:pusheen:

In other news, Ukrainian citizens have gained visa-free travel rights to the majority of EU nations. They can travel for tourism, business, or personal visit purpose to all EU countries except for UK and Ireland, limited to 90 days in 180 day periods.

That's really great, we've always wanted to go on a vacation with my in-laws, let them see the world outside of the worst of eastern europe. Wish Canada extended this as well, we're pretty involved there militarily and like every 2nd Canadian you meet is all "oh cool my family is Ukrainian! Yeah my great great great grandma immigrated here!"

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