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Moola
Aug 16, 2006

spectralent posted:

Metal Gear Rising remains the best game of the decade.

WE'LL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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Ultiville
Jan 14, 2005

The law protects no one unless it binds everyone, binds no one unless it protects everyone.

Xarbala posted:

Reading the more in-depth complaints about all of Mass Effect Andromeda's weaknesses, it sounds like it's a somewhat worse Dragon Age Inquisition.

Which itself was considered a pretty decent game until Witcher 3 came along and blew it, and Fallout 4, out of the water.

I'd say it's a DA:I side-grade, myself. I don't like the characters as much in ME:A - they're pretty good, but I really enjoyed several of the DA:I ones. But the ME:A combat is way better, DA:I's got stale pretty fast for me because you mostly just hit your rotation like MMO characters and the tactical mode sucked, whereas movement and positioning are a lot more important in ME:A. Not sure which one I'll like more in the end, but I think they were both worth my money.

Of course, I haven't had a chance to play Witcher 3 yet. The whole pin-up card collection vibe (which maybe isn't in 3 idk?) kind of turns me off so I haven't been actively seeking it out.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Ultiville posted:

Of course, I haven't had a chance to play Witcher 3 yet. The whole pin-up card collection vibe (which maybe isn't in 3 idk?) kind of turns me off so I haven't been actively seeking it out.

I've only played (some of) 3 and I have no idea what that means so I guess it probably isn't in there?

it's an excellent game

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

In the witcher 1, which I played for a little while, an optional part of the game is to get as many women as possible to gently caress your character. You get a pin-up card for each one. You don't have to do it, but it's there, and the game's premise makes sure that like, it's totally OK because Witchers can't get girls pregnant!

Put me off the series, although I've been told witcher 2 is better and 3 is excellent. I'll probably get around to them eventually.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Leperflesh posted:

In the witcher 1, which I played for a little while, an optional part of the game is to get as many women as possible to gently caress your character. You get a pin-up card for each one. You don't have to do it, but it's there, and the game's premise makes sure that like, it's totally OK because Witchers can't get girls pregnant!

Put me off the series, although I've been told witcher 2 is better and 3 is excellent. I'll probably get around to them eventually.
Would be pretty :lol: if you needed the full controller and both hands for this scenario.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Leperflesh posted:

In the witcher 1, which I played for a little while, an optional part of the game is to get as many women as possible to gently caress your character. You get a pin-up card for each one. You don't have to do it, but it's there, and the game's premise makes sure that like, it's totally OK because Witchers can't get girls pregnant!

ugh

witcher 3 can feel a bit gratuitous at times but more at an HBO drama level than something really egregious

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

c... controller?

You europeans and your funny names for things like keyboards



In all seriousness though, it's been a few years but if I recall correctly, you just get a rated-pg cutscene or something? Your character goes into the brothel, does some dialogue, you lose five fantasybucks and then there's like maybe a single-frame cutscene that is mildly suggestive and then you get a pinup card that reveals some cleavage!

It's tame as hell. The offensive part is the women-as-pokemon thing.

e. Although I should reiterate that I stopped playing after probably not that far into the game and so maybe some of the gently caress quest objectives were more explicit, I dunno.

Ultiville
Jan 14, 2005

The law protects no one unless it binds everyone, binds no one unless it protects everyone.

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

ugh

witcher 3 can feel a bit gratuitous at times but more at an HBO drama level than something really egregious

I'm just very close to out of patience with that kind of thing. Which I'll admit is totally personal since of course in all the Mass Effects and Dragon Ages you can hook up with a variety of aliens/fantasy aliens too, but the Witcher stuff I've seen felt more skeevy to me. Though if 3's better maybe I'll move it up on my list.

e:

quote:

It's tame as hell. The offensive part is the women-as-pokemon thing.

Yeah, that. I don't care about the poorly animated anatomy.

Hixson
Mar 27, 2009

I thoroughly enjoyed Witcher 3. It's DLCs were excellent too. Blood and Wine could be its own game.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Ultiville posted:

I'm just very close to out of patience with that kind of thing. Which I'll admit is totally personal since of course in all the Mass Effects and Dragon Ages you can hook up with a variety of aliens/fantasy aliens too, but the Witcher stuff I've seen felt more skeevy to me. Though if 3's better maybe I'll move it up on my list.

I don't mind relationship options in story games. Even ones with potential sex involved. That's realistic and can be done very well. (I haven't played ME or much Dragon Age so I have no opinion about them in particular). Even casual sex is fine, that's a real thing that real people do all the time, why shouldn't fictional characters have the option? If it fits with the story, then OK.

I also don't even really mind if a gamemaker decides to only make the hero be available as a particular character who has a fixed gender. It's not the only choice, but it's the same choice that a novelist makes about their protagonist, and we don't usually bitch about a novelist deciding to make their protagonist male. The wider problem here is that the games industry is still too focused on the male audience, but you can go watch a bunch of sarkasian videos if you want to learn more about that.

There is even sort of a place for having your protagonist character have the option of intentionally pursuing sex as a goal. I probably would not want that in a multiplayer game, but if you want to sit at home and roleplay trying to have sex, what's wrong with that? Games-as-wank-material is no less acceptable than books or magazines or websites or whatever. You can take it as far as an outright porn game, whatever floats your boat.

The objectionable part is objectification of women. Sexual conquests as a collectible card game.

I have a pretty simple test with these things. Would I be embarrassed to tell my wife I was doing this? If so, it's probably crossed a line.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006
Looks like GW was surprised at the success of SW:A and is going to be releasing a standalone rule book with additional factions very soon.

Looking forward to giving GW some money for it :)

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Sorry ME:A is a legit fun game. My Biotic Sniper is kick rear end and the action components of the game are the best Bioware has produced since Jade Empire.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Having a fixed character really helped make the Witcher games as strong as they are narratively. Playing as a guy with a personality instead of a self insertion husk has so much more flavor.

So excited about them selling the Shadow Wars Armageddon rules separately. I was a little bummed that other local players signed up to give GW money before I could. :keke:

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Atlus are threatening to get Youtube accounts suspended if people put up videos of Persona 5. Seriously, don't give Sega money.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
Witcher 1 is bad about women but bear in mind it's also the first game the team ever made and from what I've read, there was a lot of influence from the publisher on the sex stuff, which I imagine probably made their already-questionable ideas worse. The rest of the game is loving rad though (although pretty janky compared to 2 and 3).

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

There's one Witcher 3 dev who posts in the SA thread and he admitted that pretty much everybody who worked on the Witcher 1 are gone and those who aren't are as embarrassed by the sex cards thing as everybody else. It would be a shame to write off the third game because of some weird idiots who worked on the first one. There's a reason why W3 exploded in popularity after it slipped in under everyone's radar, while people had their expectations for the genre reset by DA:I and were looking forward to Fallout 4.

Most open-world RPGs deliberately waste your time to pad things out, this was a common complaint about games like DA:I and similar complaints have sprung up about ME:A. Bethesda games have a widespread reputation for being a mile wide and an inch thick. While the Witcher 3 does have some filler content scattered in the form of random lootables strewn throughout the map, there is really no such thing as a "filler" quest in W3. Even short quests are quests because there's something to them, whether it's tragedy, horror, comedy, or intrigue. There's always something interesting or deeper going on, even with something that would be a throwaway sidequest in some other game. And some sidequests that sound simple to begin with go places you wouldn't expect. Witcher 3 doesn't just have a well-written and emotionally engaging main storyline, the entire game world is bursting with great writing all around, compelling characters, genuinely tough choices for the player to make, and even some much-needed touches of humor. It respects the player's time more than any game made by Bioware or Bethesda in the past ten years because rather than just trying to cynically hit bullet points in a feature list drawn up by a marketer or trying to live up to sensational promises made by an executive at E3, its devs made the game they wished they could play and really, seriously went at it. The Witcher 3 is a labor of love and it shows.

Just... try to be a good dad. It's important.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

That actually seems like a pretty good description of torment: tides of numenara. At least as far as I've gotten, which is to ~the second act. I've never had a game of this type where I did all of the various quests and stuff in an area and felt like every one of them was important to do and added to the story. The writing is pretty great, too.

Whatever you might feel about the numenara setting, it's a great game. Witcher 3 sounds like it's up my ally, too.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
All the Witcher games are great. 2 might be my favorite though. (To be fair, I'm only like 70% through 3.)

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Leperflesh posted:

That actually seems like a pretty good description of torment: tides of numenara. At least as far as I've gotten, which is to ~the second act. I've never had a game of this type where I did all of the various quests and stuff in an area and felt like every one of them was important to do and added to the story. The writing is pretty great, too.

Whatever you might feel about the numenara setting, it's a great game. Witcher 3 sounds like it's up my ally, too.

I mean that's all very compelling but on the other hand, monte cook

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.
monte cook is the games workshop of people

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




Tekopo posted:

RULES OF NATURE!

AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SOME COMES UP

WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE

ALIVE! FOR A WHILE

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
deciding to not play what is possibly the greatest fantasy rpg to date because the first entry had some stupid skeevy poo poo in it is about on par with buying thousands of dollars of gw crap then feeling the need to defend gws honor online

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

I mean that's all very compelling but on the other hand, monte cook

Well, he helped make the original planescape: torment, and that is pretty universally acclaimed. I don't much care for his takes on D&D, but this game is pretty far afield from D&D.

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

deciding to not play what is possibly the greatest fantasy rpg to date because the first entry had some stupid skeevy poo poo in it is about on par with buying thousands of dollars of gw crap then feeling the need to defend gws honor online

So, OK, but nobody in this thread has declared they won't play Witcher 3, so...

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
You should also play Witcher 1 though.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Leperflesh posted:

Well, he helped make the original planescape: torment, and that is pretty universally acclaimed. I don't much care for his takes on D&D, but this game is pretty far afield from D&D.


So, OK, but nobody in this thread has declared they won't play Witcher 3, so...

allowing a dumb design decision from a 10 year old game to put you off from playing, again, quite possibly the best fantasy rpg ever, which is now coming up on 2 years old, isnt to the level of the previous example, but it is kinda silly

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
Those rumors are obviously crap. Overwatch doesn't have any flame weapons whatsoever. Like I guess Winston's tesla gun works sort of like one but that's totally the FPS equivalent of a template weapon.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005
The new Play of the Game phase looks good.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


I'm happy as long as the meme output potential is high.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

TTerrible posted:

The new Play of the Game phase looks good.

Which 40k character will be the first to come out as gay and raise the ire of sad nerds the world over?

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Avenging Dentist posted:

Which 40k character will be the first to come out as gay and raise the ire of sad nerds the world over?

cypher

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

this checks out

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

allowing a dumb design decision from a 10 year old game to put you off from playing, again, quite possibly the best fantasy rpg ever, which is now coming up on 2 years old, isnt to the level of the previous example, but it is kinda silly

I agree. I didn't know they'd taken that "feature" out and we just had a nice conversation in which I learned that, and specifically said OK sounds good I might play the game then. I think Ultiville came to exactly the same conclusion.

Leperflesh posted:

I'll probably get around to them eventually.

Ultiville posted:

Though if 3's better maybe I'll move it up on my list.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Avenging Dentist posted:

Which 40k character chapter will be the first to come out as gay and raise the ire of sad nerds the world over?

DA. By a mile.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Leperflesh posted:

So, OK, but nobody in this thread has declared they won't play Witcher 3, so...

I will not be playing Witcher 3


:colbert:

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




TKIY posted:

DA. By a mile.

Now now, don't go and underestimate the seething homoeroticism of the Ultramarines.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Liquid Communism posted:

Now now, don't go and underestimate the seething homoeroticism of the Ultramarines.

They have nothing on the soul-borne cocklust of the Dick Angels.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

deciding to not play what is possibly the greatest fantasy rpg to date because the first entry had some stupid skeevy poo poo in it is about on par with buying thousands of dollars of gw crap then feeling the need to defend gws honor online

:kiss:

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



all three of the witcher games are tedious drags

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Sir Teabag
Oct 26, 2007
Witcher 3 is fun, but at least on the PS4 it's got it's issues. Geralt steers like a boat, there are clipping issues, especially on ever present windy days. All the ladies wanna gently caress Geralt, all of them. But for the most part these are things are that forgivable, if sometimes eye roll worthy.

As others have said, the writing for what would be a fetch quest in other games is superb and makes the world feel alive. For this reason it can be really easy to get side tracked and spend your time doing nothing but sidequests. Which is cool because some of the bosses are difficult, so it makes grinding not feel like grinding.

I guess it depends on your play style, but I found some of the leveling options to be pointless. Especially since you are limited to the amount of abilities you can have active at one time. I found that I essentially never took alchemical abilities because I would rather just be better at combat and spell casting. I did end up taking some of the ones that give you more HP or things like that, but I don't really give a poo poo about making stronger potions when I can just raise my defense or attack stats permanently instead.

So yeah, essentially I only have minor complaints that could be leveled at any other game on the market. Except Witcher 3 is better, because you can tell the people who made it really gave a poo poo.

To bring it back to GW, it's sort of like going from playing GW games to playing anything that came out in the last decade or so. Just a world full of choice and depth that you didn't expect to find because you only knew that Malifaux had a steam punk aesthetic, Warmachine had a couple robots, and Infinity has the greatest butts on the market.

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