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djssniper posted:Are there any F1 related ads in the US? I'd have thought indy car would be more relevant to that market more relevant to this topic, Honda in F1 is run by/funded by Japan, whereas the IndyCar program is Honda of America/Canada. Hence why they would focus on Indy in American ads. I'm sure the "everything's fine, we're going to go all-out" talk before testing was typical Japanese manner - brave public face while scurrying like hell to make sure it isn't blowing up behind the scenes. Transparency isn't exactly a strong suit, and harmony is appreciated above all. Which makes MCLRN's comments publicly all the tougher for the Honda brass, I'm sure.
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Apr 5, 2017 23:59
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harperdc posted:more relevant to this topic, Honda in F1 is run by/funded by Japan, whereas the IndyCar program is Honda of America/Canada. Hence why they would focus on Indy in American ads. Regardless of the region, Honda is still Honda, you just repeated the point I was making about being relevant to the market
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Apr 6, 2017 00:19
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djssniper posted:Regardless of the region, Honda is still Honda lol if you think this is true for a japanese company.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:22
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Honda F1 and say Honda Indy might as well not even have the same brand name from what I understand.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:23
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djssniper posted:Regardless of the region, Honda is still Honda Not really, no. Norns posted:Honda F1 and say Honda Indy might as well not even have the same brand name from what I understand. That is correct...from what I understand.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:27
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wicka posted:Not really, no. Which part of Honda brand don't you get?
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Apr 6, 2017 00:33
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wicka posted:Not really, no. Isn't it the Honda equivalent of TRD or something?
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Apr 6, 2017 00:34
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Norns posted:Honda F1 and say Honda Indy might as well not even have the same brand name from what I understand. If you could explain this further, I'm not quite getting it, probably my fault
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Apr 6, 2017 00:35
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I mean I know jack poo poo about Honda Indy. But they seem a lot more successful than Hondas F1 division. Honda also doesn't seem to share anything between any division. I should probably try to get back into Indy. But Anime GT and Super Formula both start soon...and I have classic F1 to watch still.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:36
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djssniper posted:If you could explain this further, I'm not quite getting it, probably my fault Its a completely different division based in America that pulls no resources from Honda Japan.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:37
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Norns posted:I mean I know jack poo poo about Honda Indy. But they seem a lot more successful than Hondas F1 division. To be fair didn't they win just one race last season? It just happened to be the only race that really matters but I don't think that program is a huge success.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:37
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I thought they were doing better after they stripped down all the areo? Idk I haven't watched since 2015.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:38
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1500quidporsche posted:Its a completely different division based in America that pulls no resources from Honda Japan. Hold on, it's a brand name, divisions are mute in this, it's still a Honda
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Apr 6, 2017 00:39
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1500quidporsche posted:To be fair didn't they win just one race last season? It just happened to be the only race that really matters but I don't think that program is a huge success. I think two, maybe three. They won the 500, Texas, and maybe Pocono. Not sure on the latter. The low drag aero kit they have is great for speedways, but they don't have a good high downforce kit. They did win the only indy race so far this year though.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:41
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iospace posted:I think two, maybe three. They won the 500, Texas, and maybe Pocono. Not sure on the latter. The low drag aero kit they have is great for speedways, but they don't have a good high downforce kit. They did win the only indy race so far this year though. Could you tell me in 3 sentences why i should watch indycar instead of MotoGP? (I already wanted to get into one or the other)
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Apr 6, 2017 00:43
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Norns posted:It stopped being funny the 3rd or 4th time it started circling around. nice meltdown
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Flesh Croissant posted:Could you tell me in 3 sentences why i should watch indycar instead of MotoGP? MotoGP.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:45
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Moto GPs steaming package is pretty awesome
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Apr 6, 2017 00:46
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Everyone should watch MotoGP
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djssniper posted:Hold on, it's a brand name, divisions are mute in this, it's still a Honda Nah, I've heard this a couple now. Honda America has nothing to do with Honda Japan. Just like HP was both HPE and HPT (HP Enterprise and HP Technology), they actually had nothing to do with each other. They've recently seperated, HPE is now just HPE and has it's own logo (which is dumb), but for the longest time anyone on the outside saw one 'HP' which was actually two totally separate companies doing totally different things. Go back to where I crap on about the ownership of Ferrari, which is a long and complicated musical chairs. Modern branding is a byzantine maze of theory and intuition and nobody really understand it other than the executive boards.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:47
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Flesh Croissant posted:Could you tell me in 3 sentences why i should watch indycar instead of MotoGP? MotoGP. No question.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:48
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Flesh Croissant posted:Could you tell me in 3 sentences why i should watch indycar instead of MotoGP? One sentence, two words: no Spaniards.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:49
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Tony Montana posted:Nah, I've heard this a couple now. Honda America has nothing to do with Honda Japan. Just like HP was both HPE and HPT (HP Enterprise and HP Technology), they actually had nothing to do with each other. They've recently seperated, HPE is now just HPE and has it's own logo (which is dumb), but for the longest time anyone on the outside saw one 'HP' which was actually two totally separate companies doing totally different things. Go back to where I crap on about the ownership of Ferrari, which is a long and complicated musical chairs. Modern branding is a byzantine maze of theory and intuition and nobody really understand it other than the executive boards. So if Honda US had a fallout like VW with the emissions issue the brand wouldn't be tarnished? Do US cars have the 'Honda' badge? like I said, news to me
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Apr 6, 2017 00:50
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djssniper posted:So if Honda US had a fallout like VW with the emissions issue the brand wouldn't be tarnished? Do US cars have the 'Honda' badge? like I said, news to me Are you a lewis fan?
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Apr 6, 2017 00:52
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djssniper posted:So if Honda US had a fallout like VW with the emissions issue the brand wouldn't be tarnished? Do US cars have the 'Honda' badge? like I said, news to me Not really sure what you're trying to achieve here.
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Apr 6, 2017 00:54
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djssniper posted:So if Honda US had a fallout like VW with the emissions issue the brand wouldn't be tarnished? Do US cars have the 'Honda' badge? like I said, news to me Yes, US cars have the [H] badge on them. And US consumers as a whole are idiots who wouldn't know their Civic came from someplace other than Honda F1, HRC, Honda IndyCar, Honda BTCC...or that Honda even has (multiple) racing programs in the first place.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:09
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I mean I assume my neighbors civic has a Honda F1 engine in it myself
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Honda makes cars and sends them places. Some blokes at honda America makes Indy cars. Some blokes at honda Japan attempt to make f1 engines. Dubs fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 01:12
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Honda Indy is run by HPD and nice Hondas get an Acura badge because Americans are classist.
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Norns posted:I mean I assume my neighbors civic has a Honda F1 engine in it myself NO ITS THE AMERICAN ONE!!!!!1
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djssniper posted:So if Honda US had a fallout like VW with the emissions issue the brand wouldn't be tarnished? Do US cars have the 'Honda' badge? like I said, news to me It's like some hardware fault in HP server's range is a HP tech issue but does that effect the business of HPE? Well yeah it does, but not much. The enterprise agreement between HPE and their corporate customers would take that into account, but they're not going to re-sign to someone else because of something HPT did they don't like. They'll say to their HPE representative 'yeah well I don't know what HP is doing with those servers, but as long as you make sure none of those things end up on my network we have a good relationship and it's loving expensive to change stuff like that so we're good'. I can imagine it's much the same with Honda. Honda America would have stuff going on in America so big that the 'parent' Japanese company can poo poo the bed for quite a while and the American customers of Honda America still trust their local representatives. Another point would be Americans generally don't give a poo poo about F1, so Honda Japan's long and dirty farce of this engine is something not only they haven't heard, even if they did hear it they probably wouldn't care. We all will probably look twice the next time a Honda salesman tells you 'oh and the engine is solid in this baby' but for the majority of Americans I'm sure it's like Toyota.. reliable as gently caress and not made here therefore it doesn't suck.
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wicka posted:One sentence, two words: no Spaniards.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:20
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Almost all American Hondas are made in the US though if memory serves. American Honda is a division of the Japanese company, but in terms of motorsports, F1 is driven by Japan HQ (as are Super GT and Super Formula I'd imagine) and Indy is purely North American. Dudes in Tokyo have no say in the IndyCar program, which has been supported now for damned close to 20 years. Beyond having a second team to make use of the engine for development reasons, I'm guessing that Honda will partner with a second team next year if only because they have junior drivers and nowhere to put them besides McLaren. Namely, they have Japanese junior drivers they'll be trying to get into F1.
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Honda Japan was involved in the CART program but that ended in 2002.
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Norns posted:I mean I assume my neighbors civic has a Honda F1 engine in it myself According to a Honda engineer it has four prototypes.
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If this dumb discussion is about "brand image" then people largely think 'brand name = brand name' and think little past that. Share prices reflect this mentality. No one cares if their Sony TV and their Sony Vaio laptop are made by different 'divisions' - if one shits the bed people think worse of both lines. Khablam fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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So you legitimately think Honda road cars are poo poo because they are poor in F1? No not every person thinks like that
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Norns posted:So you legitimately think Honda road cars are poo poo because they are poor in F1? No not every person thinks like that Brand image is largely subconscious and goes both ways. No one is doing critical analysis and extending the logic. Or do you not get why teams are branded by their engine manufacturer? Ford understood this when they threw caution and money to the wall to win the Le Mans 24hrs. Their road sales and stock went up. Khablam fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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