F1 2017: yellow, the color of that great American dish, macaroni and cheese

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F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

Norns posted:

So you legitimately think Honda road cars are poo poo because they are poor in F1? No not every person thinks like that

If there wasn't some level of correlation then I'm pretty sure no car manufacturer would be in any form of motorsport.

Not saying its actually true, I'm convinced its the opposite myself. But people are dumb as hell, eat up marketing and there's a reason car manufacturers will throw big money at poo poo like F1.

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Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Yeah I understand the basic concepts of marketing. People have critical thinking skills though. Not everyone. But some?

# ? Apr 6, 2017 02:00

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Tony Montana posted:

Nah, I've heard this a couple now. Honda America has nothing to do with Honda Japan. Just like HP was both HPE and HPT (HP Enterprise and HP Technology), they actually had nothing to do with each other. They've recently seperated, HPE is now just HPE and has it's own logo (which is dumb), but for the longest time anyone on the outside saw one 'HP' which was actually two totally separate companies doing totally different things. Go back to where I crap on about the ownership of Ferrari, which is a long and complicated musical chairs. Modern branding is a byzantine maze of theory and intuition and nobody really understand it other than the executive boards.

HPE is now DXC.technology :eng101:

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Khablam: Mar 29, 2012

There's huge correlation between brand image and the "big few" racing accolades (F1 constuctors, Le mans, etc).

Ferrari's share price has been very largely pegged to the pre-season F1 pace and peaked when markets opened after Vettel's win

# ? Apr 6, 2017 02:05

Flesh Croissant: Apr 23, 2010; by FactsAreUseless

Khablam posted:

Brand image is largely subconscious and goes both ways. No one is doing critical analysis and extending the logic.

Im not so sure.

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Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Tsaedje posted:

HPE is now DXC.technology

Man, yeah on LinkedIn all these people have 'new jobs' with DXC and actually they're all just HP crew. So is the stupid green rectangle gone? How long did that last, 6 months? The way massive multinationals choose to name and split themselves up is some black magic poo poo we all should probably just ignore.

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wicka: Jun 28, 2007

DXC is just HPE's services/consulting/outsourcing arm. Of course, that's like half the company. The rest is still HPE.

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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

https://twitter.com/Rowlinson_F1/status/849596572170113024

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GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

Applicants must submit full resume, three references, _{a working F1 engine} and college transcripts to be considered.

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F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

https://twitter.com/Rowlinson_F1/status/849596572170113024

This is just placating McLaren. They drat well know the names of the people they need to hire and they drat sure wouldn't need to advertise to get in contact with them.

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F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

Criteria of people Honda needs to hire:

Name starts with M
Name ends with ario Illien

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iospace: Jan 19, 2038

1500quidporsche posted:

Criteria of people Honda needs to hire:

Name starts with M
Name ends with ario Illien

Mario Andretti?

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poty: Jun 21, 2008; 虹はどこで終わるのですか？あなたの魂の中で、または地平線で?

Tony Montana posted:

I bought Damon's book because it was highly recommended and so far it's boring as poo poo. He's just going on about being the son of a legend and I don't really give a gently caress about that, I want war stories and cool things that happened during his career. But I guess it's Damon Hill so I got what I deserved.

Actually it's one of the best works of literature of all time

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Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

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poty posted:

Actually it's one of the best works of literature of all time

The Audible preview was droning poo poo about his childhood where I currently live. If they want me to buy the book at least make the preview interesting.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 06:45

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Ooh there are some places online that have extracts. I think this is a suitably droning (I like that word) piece about daddy

Damon Hill posted:

There were several people who were my father. There was the actual person who lived in the house and who went places with us, and there was the legend in the newspapers, on TV and at racetracks. There was the very serious man who did a very dangerous job, and there was the clown who made everything a big joke. I think I have a good handle on who Graham Hill was now, but when I was growing up, he was a demigod: a slightly intimidating but, at the same time, a lovely, generous, gregarious man who made our lives shine with light.

He was not what one might call a romantic man. He might even be called an insensitive person. When I needed to go back, after I had retired, and sort out where I might have been confused about things, it became clear that the blissful life I had enjoyed had a subtext to it: one of which I was luckily not completely conscious at the time. That was because I was in the Garden of Eden; I was a child still maturing. Now I am fifty-five and, having brought up my own family of four children, all of them born just before or during my career, I can see the problems that my parents faced and how difficult it must have been for them to cope.

My story is really about two generations of Hills. My parents laid the foundations for my life and, without question, the path my father carved led me to become a Formula One World Champion like him. But who I might have been if he had not died when I was fifteen is another question. Looking back, it sometimes seems inevitable that I would follow my father�s course; at other times it seems incredible that I�d want to. If I was a product of my parents and their life in the glitzy, glamorous but tragedy-blighted world of Formula One, then they were a product of the austere and war-ripped early twentieth century.

It�s quite possible that my mother�s father, Bertie, fought in the First World War, as his wedding photo shows him in uniform. My mother was born in 1926 and Norman Graham Hill was born the year of the Great Crash, 1929. So they were only very young by the time they were into the chaos and destruction of the Second World War. So the 1950s, which was when they met, must have seemed a blissful release from all that.

It was into the post-war culture of 1960s England, trying to leave the war and stuffy old traditions behind, that my parents brought a family: Brigitte, me and Samantha. But they also brought us into the world of motor racing at its toughest and most intense period. After their experiences in the Blitz, I�ve often wondered if they were creating their own kind of peacetime, one spiced with a little wartime fear and danger, just for continuity. Overwhelming whatever was happening in the liberal Sixties was the contradictory culture of motor racing, which counterbalanced extreme brutality with an exaggerated lust for life. Through all this, my parents had their own personal life to cope with. Add a bit of fame and a lot of media interest into the mix and you have some powerful influences on a child�s development. It created a distorted and unrealistic model of the world, one that had to end sometime, somehow.

But this unusual life my parents had created was my normality when growing up. There was reality, and there were the myths and legends of Graham Hill. Naturally, these myths had a huge influence not only on my view of my father but also on how I saw the world as it responded to the mythology. We love a good story, clearly; sometimes at the expense of the truth. To a large extent, the mythology became a cage for my parents� relationship, one that my mother has never really escaped from since the accident.

Ironically, because my father was so famous, I�m lucky that I have so much information to draw on about my early life and the life of my parents. Both wrote autobiographies and there are copious photographs and press cuttings. But the truth is never clearly on display. I have had to work hard to separate the meaning from the simple words. The magnificent image of Graham Hill, the Legend, often obscures the complications that his life and career created for his family.

Clearly I inherited a lot from my father, but, just as clearly, I am not him. To know who I am, I had to differentiate myself from him. To do that, I had to know all about him. I had to know more than just the cherished image of a media darling with his good looks and a talent for a great quote. But just as importantly, I had to accept his genius, his uniqueness and his popularity. It must have been a tough job being a father and keeping the Graham Hill show on the road. But within the world that he created and the zeitgeist of the Sixties and early Seventies, I formed a view of the world and a set of beliefs about it.

The early legend of Graham Hill describes a young man not content to have a safe passage towards retirement. He jacked in his safe job with Smiths Instruments to risk all on motor racing. He had no idea how it would turn out, but he gambled, and he won. A story my father was very proud to tell was that he and Harry Hyams � who was to become a very successful, not to say notorious, property developer � were identified as the �two boys least likely to succeed� by their headmaster. Dad had a strong, independent spirit and faith enough in his own instincts to stick two fingers up to those who would try to define or limit him. Being �press-ganged� through national service into the navy did nothing to change his attitude towards authority, but I have a feeling it did more for him that he ever cared to acknowledge.

In his autobiography, Life at the Limit, he gives credit to the navy for teaching him a great deal about life; notably, the officer training where he learnt public speaking � of which he became something of a brilliant exponent in later life. He also learned leadership by being placed in charge of about forty to fifty �chaps�, something he must have found useful when he had his own team.

I have no doubt his navy discipline helped when he had the gruesome task of taking charge of the shell-shocked Lotus team after Jimmy Clark was killed at Hockenheim in 1968. Years later when I was racing, I was sitting in the bar of an hotel when Clark�s mechanic, Dave �Beaky� Sims, sat next to me. He related the story of how my father had told them all what to do: to collect all the bits of the car they could find, to put them in the truck and to drive to the port and not to stop for anyone; just get back to the factory as quickly as possible. He said they would have not known what to do had it not been for Graham�s courage and leadership.

Indeed, my father went on to rebuild the confidence of a stricken and broken team by winning the F1 Championship later that year. Impressive stuff, really. The episode was to have a sad parallel in my own career when we lost Ayrton Senna. Without doubt, I took strength from this story, but the situations were otherwise very different. I was not in a position to take control of the team like he had, nor did I go on to win the Championship, but otherwise I was hugely inspired by his example. A very positive legacy.

He also credited the navy with some seamier lessons in life, such as how to get plastered by noon every day. Unbelievably, the navy still issued tots of rum for the officers � a tot being a whole eighth of a pint of neat rum � at twelve o�clock. Another eye-opener was a visit to Tangiers, where he thanks the navy for introducing him to something he called �an exhibition� and �extracurricular activities�. We can only imagine what he might have been referring to there. I think it is sufficient to say that he went into the navy an innocent, but came home less innocent. What he also did, though � a variation on the theme of ships passing in the night � was visit Monaco.

His ship, HMS Swiftsure, docked in Monaco in 1951 and off went Dad to the casino, where he says he won �a few bob�, not having any idea that one day he would become known as Mr Monaco after winning the race five times and hobnobbing with the Rainiers. He admitted that, at the time, he had no idea there was a Grand Prix there at all, and knew nothing about racing. Still slightly innocent, then. He would win a hell of a lot more �bobs� at Monaco in the years to come.

My father was not impressed that the navy took two whole years out of his life when he felt he could have learnt it all in one; a very typical attitude from a would-be racing driver. He also took a dim view of having to go back for the next three years to do three weeks on, which is why he grew a ridiculous moustache, which he described as �RAF fighter pilot�. He knew only clean-shaven or a full set was permitted, but he seemed to have got them flustered and thoroughly revelled in his �anti-stupid-rules� attitude. He enjoyed seeing them go puce with rage at this early version of a long-haired hippy. But he gave the navy a dilemma. Dad was expressing his freedom in a way they didn�t approve of, but could do nothing about. He was hardly Che Guevara, but he was clearly ready for something different; a life in which he was free to live as he pleased. While he was still �property� of the navy, he met a woman called Bette Shubrook.

more at: http://extracts.panmacmillan.com/extract?isbn=9781509831920

jesus christ shoot me. i paid for this

Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Apr 6, 2017

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Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

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Tony Montana posted:

Ooh there are some places online that have extracts. I think this is a suitably droning (I like that word) piece about daddy

more at: http://extracts.panmacmillan.com/extract?isbn=9781509831920

jesus christ shoot me. i paid for this

The bit where he starts talking about his grandfather being bitchmade because he was a terrible stockbroker was hilarious, but I think this month's Audible credit won't be going to the most boring racing driver I can think of. It just looks like a helluva lot of ancestry.com and Graham Hill's book is likely a more interesting read, at least he was a good driver.

e: fuckin' lol at whichever one of you misanthropes left a review on audible for Damon Hill's book

probably a worst thread poster posted:

"Not bad just so boring I couldn't continue."
So sorry to say I actually can't finish this book. I've got to around one third of the way though and couldn't continue so maybe it gets better. The content is good it's just so boring that it's not entertaining. I am a fan of racing and grew up watching Damon hill so I wanted to like this. Lewis Hamilton's book is much much worse though so at least that's something. If you want to listen a really good F1 book read Mark Webber's one!

Theophany fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Apr 6, 2017

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Khablam: Mar 29, 2012

Why would anyone think Damon hill has anything interesting to say?
He cycles the same few stories on Sky as it is.

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Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

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Khablam posted:

Why would anyone think Damon hill has anything interesting to say?
He cycles the same few stories on Sky as it is.

I think I was hoping more for cool stories that happened behind the scenes during the days when F1 coverage was still pretty amateurish and not the wall-to-wall coverage on every little thing that we get with subscription channels now. But if I have to get through 12 hours of Damon Hill's childhood and family tree to hear them... well, life is simply too short.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 10:50

Pirate Radar: Apr 18, 2008; You're not my Ruthie!
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I'm buying my ticket for Malaysia. Is the ~OFFICIAL F1(R) PROGRAMME~ worth the US$15?

# ? Apr 6, 2017 13:32

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

Pirate Radar posted:

I'm buying my ticket for Malaysia. Is the ~OFFICIAL F1(R) PROGRAMME~ worth the US$15?

How often do you go to any grand prix? I'd pick it up as a souvenir unless you're on a tight budget.

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GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/thebuxtonblog/status/849814231780216832

Yes

# ? Apr 6, 2017 13:42

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

McLaren has fitted a coat hanger to their car.

quote:

McLaren driver Fernando Alonso says he had to do a "record" amount of fuel saving in the F1 2017 season opener in Melbourne, admitting it is looking like a big obstacle for the campaign ahead.

The Spaniard, who retired before the flag in Melbourne, stressed that several issues with the Honda package are holding up progress.

"In Australia, it was a record for us, the fuel saving," he said. "So it's going to be difficult for us this year, as long as the engine doesn't improve.

"It's not power, it's many things, it's reliability, it's fuel saving, and there are a lot more implications in the driving that we cannot drive normally, because we need to drive around the engine.

"It's quite difficult, it's quite hard now, to drive the car. But we are doing our best to help the team.

"It's difficult in the way that you cannot do any mistake for the whole race, because any mistake in one corner, you brake late, you lock up, whatever happens in the next straight, they will overtake you with the speed difference. You need to do zero mistakes."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-having-to-do-record-fuel-saving-alonso-890142/

Cool, it's thirsty as hell, too.

Wirth1000 fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Apr 6, 2017

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HJB: Feb 16, 2011; I can't get enough of are Dan

Wirth1000 posted:

Cool, it's thirsty as hell, too.

That's the problem with having Alonso in the car :wink:

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Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Now when i think honda, i'll think unreliable engine and poor fuel economy.

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F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

Honda: The power of PCP.

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wicka: Jun 28, 2007

I still like my Honda.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 14:26

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

Wirth1000 posted:

McLaren has fitted a coat hanger to their car.

I don't know why, but this cracked me the hell up. Thank you, OP.

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Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Every day it's a new nightmare with MCLRN

# ? Apr 6, 2017 14:53

wicka: Jun 28, 2007

Wirth1000 posted:

McLaren has fitted a coat hanger to their car.

I know they're upset about how bad the Honda engine is, but it's already in the car. Way too late to abort it now.

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enri: Dec 16, 2003; Hope you're having an amazing day

Fernando Alonso denies claims he could leave McLaren-Honda mid-season

:stare:

quote:

"Everyone [acts like they are] close to me and it's like I have a depression, and it's not like that.

I want to give him a hug

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Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

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wicka posted:

I know they're upset about how bad the Honda engine is, but it's already in the car. Way too late to abort it now.

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Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Nando ready always

# ? Apr 6, 2017 15:06

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

wicka posted:

I know they're upset about how bad the Honda engine is, but it's already in the car. Way too late to abort it now.

Also lmao.

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F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

wicka posted:

I know they're upset about how bad the Honda engine is, but it's already in the car. Way too late to abort it now.

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Myrddin_Emrys: Mar 27, 2007; by Hand Knit

1500quidporsche posted:

This is just placating McLaren. They drat well know the names of the people they need to hire and they drat sure wouldn't need to advertise to get in contact with them.

No thats employment laws. Companies are no longer allowed to just ring fence people and at least need to make a show of advertising a job for equal opportunities, whether they already have filled the slot or not. We are always having to do this in the local authority where I work. Equal opportunities and all that, no room for discrimination. It really is all for show though as ring fencing still happens, you just have to look like your providing an equal platform for everyone to have a go.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 15:21

CratSock: Aug 5, 2004; Sock Wielding Assassin

Norns posted:

I mean I assume my neighbors civic has a Honda F1 engine in it myself

I believe this was clearly stated by F1 WDC Jack Newton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdhbUuWBmBs

# ? Apr 6, 2017 15:25

wicka: Jun 28, 2007

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

No thats employment laws. Companies are no longer allowed to just ring fence people and at least need to make a show of advertising a job for equal opportunities, whether they already have filled the slot or not. We are always having to do this in the local authority where I work. Equal opportunities and all that, no room for discrimination. It really is all for show though as ring fencing still happens, you just have to look like your providing an equal platform for everyone to have a go.

Hell, we have to do this internally. You might fully know who you're going to promote to a new position but you still have to post the job.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 15:26

Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

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Myrddin_Emrys posted:

No thats employment laws. Companies are no longer allowed to just ring fence people and at least need to make a show of advertising a job for equal opportunities, whether they already have filled the slot or not. We are always having to do this in the local authority where I work. Equal opportunities and all that, no room for discrimination. It really is all for show though as ring fencing still happens, you just have to look like your providing an equal platform for everyone to have a go.

So true. At my last gig they'd usually decided who they were going to hire before they'd even put the job spec out.

# ? Apr 6, 2017 15:27

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

wicka posted:

Hell, we have to do this internally. You might fully know who you're going to promote to a new position but you still have to post the job.

This.

Every time I hired in had to post the loving job even if I knew who was already getting it.

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F1DriverQuidenBerg: Jan 19, 2014

The economy is poo poo here so we just don't hire anyone or if we do they can't speak any English and do all our data entry so half of it usually has to be redone.

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