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bobkatt013 posted:Paid for by G. Johns. He has admitted he was a part of it. IN A SURPRISE TO NO ONE.
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Yeah, this is pretty much what I thought.
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Apr 6, 2017 06:37
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Yeah there ya go. Those ads were in everything. They tried to buy ad space in DC comics but I don't think that ever panned out. edit: HEAT! HAL'S EMERALD ATTACK TEAM!
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Apr 6, 2017 06:39
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Rhyno posted:Yeah there ya go. Those ads were in everything. They tried to buy ad space in DC comics but I don't think that ever panned out. Here's the weirdest part. I found this on an ancient Quasar fan site through a Google search. They even have an interview with Jack Grimes the leader of H.E.A.T (Hal's Emerald Attack Team). http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_the_scenes/interviews/jack_grimes_interview.html
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Apr 6, 2017 06:41
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They were nutty dudes. There were some AOL chat rooms sponsored by DC and the HEAT guys would come in and spam BRING BACK HAL until they got booted.
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Apr 6, 2017 06:44
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That was a reasonable ad though. Having Hal and the Corp back has been awesome.
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Apr 6, 2017 06:49
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Open Marriage Night posted:That was a reasonable ad though. Having Hal and the Corp back has been awesome. Yeah it is now, but at the time it didn't make any sense and like the death of Barry, GL comics were not moving like they used to so they shook things up. And it worked! Kyle was a huge hit!
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Apr 6, 2017 06:51
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Jack Grimes J G G J Geoff Johns Code cracked!
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Apr 6, 2017 06:51
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CharlestheHammer posted:Actually Hal has been back so long a lot probably grew up with Hal. I'm on the young-ish side and I grew up with Kyle. My only real exposure to Hal was Zero Hour, and his sledghammer showdown with Mongul at the end of Reign of the Supermen. My entire experience with the character was when he was completely psychotic, so I did find it perplexing when he came back and everyone but no-fun Batman was practically genuflecting.
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Apr 6, 2017 07:00
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X-O posted:Here's my question about this situation. I think I can understand people wanting Hal back because I do remember hearing people saying they like him and his stories. I think they're probably been a bit of backlash to him after he came back. But I can't remember anyone talking about Barry Allen stories they liked. I mean all the good Flash stories that people talk about are the Wally stories. Part of which Johns spent the best parts of career writing. So while I can understand there being some people that wanted Hal I just don't see why people wanted Barry. The best Barry Allen story was the one where he died saving the universe. Bringing him back was such a terrible idea. Barry was vastly more interesting as the DC Universe's Designated Martyr than he is as an actual living character.
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Apr 6, 2017 07:53
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I mean I can kinda see where the Hal fans are coming from, because their boy didn't die heroically like Barry did, he turned into a genocider pretty much out of nowhere. But, in my limited experience, Hal Jordan was much more interesting as Parallax, and then as Specter, than he was as a Green Lantern. Even bringing him back as a boring green lantern could've been ok if Johns didn't feel the need to constantly fellate the character and have other green lanterns whisper to each other about how awesome Hal is. I don't know, it just makes DC look extremely out of touch is all. Do they think there are that many 50 year olds who loved Hal Jordan and Barry Allen still buying comics? And even if there were, how long are they gonna be around?
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Apr 6, 2017 08:04
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X-O posted:Jack Grimes
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Apr 6, 2017 08:15
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Lurdiak posted:Do they think there are that many 50 year olds who loved Hal Jordan and Barry Allen still buying comics? And even if there were, how long are they gonna be around?
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Apr 6, 2017 08:34
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Rhyno posted:Real talk, the Flash comics for like 10 years prior to COIE were not good and they were going to cancel the Flash anyways which is why they let Wolfman kill him off in the crossover. If you line them up side by side Wally has overwhelmingly better stories and a much more solid and consistent history than Barry (once Waid shows up anyways). The issues I've read of Bill Messner-Loebs Flash was fine.
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Apr 6, 2017 10:04
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Rhyno posted:Real talk, the Flash comics for like 10 years prior to COIE were not good and they were going to cancel the Flash anyways which is why they let Wolfman kill him off in the crossover. If you line them up side by side Wally has overwhelmingly better stories and a much more solid and consistent history than Barry (once Waid shows up anyways). Yeah but how many universes did he save? Probably only like 7 or 8 tops.
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Apr 6, 2017 13:38
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Did they at least give Hal back those cool grey streaks on the sides of his head?
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Apr 6, 2017 13:44
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prefect posted:Did they at least give Hal back those cool grey streaks on the sides of his head? I remember reading (I think it was) one of Chris Sims's columns where he highlighted that Hal Jordan going grey at the temples and celebrating his fortieth birthday shortly after COIE was the cause of no little consternation for some people. It might have been in one of those older Ask Chris articles where he elucidated what he thinks is (was? It was a few years ago now) "The Problem" with DC from a creative standpoint (i.e. that they want to be Marvel).
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Apr 6, 2017 13:46
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We must secure the existence of Hal Jordan and a future for the Green Lantern Corps.
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Apr 6, 2017 14:18
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In partial defense of the Barry era, there are many things from his time that are now iconic parts of the Flash mythos: the costume in the ring, the Cosmic Treadmill, the Rogues Gallery and their "friendly enemy" relation with the Flash, the Flash Museum, "Flash Facts" ... That said, while I'm old enough to remember when Barry was the Flash, it was Wally who got me into the character, even when Mike Baron was writing him as an immature rear end in a top hat. While I wasn't happy when Wally was killed off and Bart was grimmed and aged up, I was willing to give Bart a chance. I think DC just panicked when Bart got a cold initial reception -- which had more to do with the fact that Danny Bilson and Paul DeMeo were lovely comics writers -- and brought back Barry instead.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:01
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There's Flash of Two Worlds I guess. I don't know if the story's actually good, but it's iconic.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:06
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I like the Silver Age Flash a lot. I love how Broome and Infantino always came up with ridiculous ways for Barry to use his super speed to do just about anything and still make it sound somewhat consistent with itself. Still blows my mind a little to think that the Speed Force didn't show up until the 1990s, though. It seems like such a Silver Agey concept.
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Aphrodite posted:And the posters grew up with Kyle, if that wasn't obvious. Except the part where when I was growing up I had to rely on my uncle's old comics so 90% of what i read was Hal Jordan. He was, as far as I concerned, The Green Lantern. (Though since JLI was one of my favorite comics I liked Guy Gardner more.) "It was rushed" is a fair criticism of Emerald Twilight but Hal Jordan being a messed-up guy was always part of the comics and the Hal Jordan Defenders never actually cared about anything but him being the guy they recognized. I was never as big on Kyle as some people but the attempts to revive Hal were always lame as hell. (I would however support a 'give Hal back the grey' campaign because Hal's grey sides looked way loving better.)
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Apr 6, 2017 15:42
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I like Hal when he's oaired up with other characters like Green Arrow or Batman, but on his own he's kinda just there.
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Apr 7, 2017 00:06
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Hal's main thing is being brash and impulsive, which is fun in a 20 something but it's not quite as cute when he's in his 40s
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Apr 7, 2017 00:11
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X-O posted:Yeah, this is pretty much what I thought. Wizard did a delightful parody of this in one of their April Fool's issues with G'nort's Emerald Action Team.
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Apr 7, 2017 00:56
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When they brought Hal back all I could think was "jeez hasn't that guy had a few too many hits to the head for this? He should be in a dark room somewhere"
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:The best Barry Allen story was the one where he died saving the universe. See also: Jason Todd Seriously though, Wally's stories for a time were about him becoming better than Barry was because he decided to allow himself to step out of his shadow and become his own man. For Barry to come back and new stories to be like "Nah, nevermind" is so lame.
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Apr 7, 2017 03:38
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The best Barry Allen is the one that was in Return of Barry Allen
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Apr 7, 2017 03:39
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bobkatt013 posted:Paid for by G. Johns. This got a really big laugh out of me. Thank you. 
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Apr 7, 2017 08:35
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My experience of Hal Jordan's original run is pretty limited to panels of him being an idiot out of context, so I sometimes have a difficult time working out how he became this mythical figure people were obsessed with getting back.
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im pretty sure he was either brain damaged or mind controlled for a lot of them not that it explains why people like him, just that it explains why he seems so dumb
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Apr 7, 2017 09:22
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quite stretched out posted:im pretty sure he was either brain damaged or mind controlled for a lot of them I'm pretty sure he's brain damaged in most everything he's appeared in.
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Apr 7, 2017 22:59
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I grew up reading my brother's old Green Lantern comics from the mid to late 80's and I never really cared for Hal is a character, but Kyle always seemed to have more of a personality. I used to read the Kyle comics to the pages came out. Hal on the other hand was always bland. Still the best GL was Stewart and Mosaic was the best GL comic.
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Apr 7, 2017 23:23
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How often do people refer to womans as "cow" as an insult in comics. I never heard it in movies or anything but reading Chris Claremont's X-men run and some tie ins where that comes up I'm really confused if that was real lingo or just a Claremontism Edit: I remember Dr Doom calling Carol a fat cow in Mighty Avengers back in 2005
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Apr 8, 2017 03:15
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It's a thing, I've heard it several times in real life and media.
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Apr 8, 2017 03:16
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It's definitely not a comics thing. I've heard it all over too. I have no idea where it comes from though. I mean you can guess maybe as there's a commonality in one thing, being a provider of milk, but I have no idea if that's the impetus behind the saying.
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Apr 8, 2017 03:19
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I mean that's like asking where "bitch" comes from.
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Apr 8, 2017 03:21
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Insulting a woman by calling them a female of some other species probably goes back to the beginning of human speech. Specifically in comics they weren't allowed to print the word bitch for most of their history so cow's an acceptable stand-in.
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Apr 8, 2017 03:27
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Cows have udders and are property for men that produce things for them Not hard to see how that might get applied by some piece of poo poo
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Suggesting someone is an animal is a common form of insult beyond any specific gender or racial epithet (eg rat, dog, snake, and worm), and comics definitely didn't invent calling women cows (cf every British soap ever). E: I literally heard one bloke call another bloke a dog while I was typing this.
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