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TommyGun85 posted:because people are loving stupid and buy them..... Who knew Martin had such a large family?
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Actually I think that the only reason Martin prefers working on Wild Cards is that people aren't that stupid and there are less who buy them. ASOIAF has tens of millions of readers, that's a lot of pressure which I think the GRRM has difficulties coping with.
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And he's not really working on wild cards anyway, he's "editing them" which means he might read them and comment on them but mostly he's licensing his name to be slapped on the front in gigantic print and telling himself he's part of the wild cards team, just like he's part of the Jets and the Giants for watching all their games.
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A friend of mine is reading the books and,since he knows I read them all, often brings up points from them. One thing he asked that I hadn't considered: The Karstarks threw their dumb fit because Jaime Lannister killed two of the top guy's sons and was then freed for ransom. This, while his actual son and heir was being held captive by the crown. Shouldn't he be first in line talking of ransom and hostage trades instead of putting a price on the Kingslayer's head and murdering teenage Lannisters? Sounds like that would be wiser than basically forcing your king to execute you. Thinking back, a lot of the conflict, particularly involving the Starks, feels cheap and forced, while, say, Littlefinger, the Boltons and Euron just have cheat codes enabled. Had it been a Stark to sound a magical horn and tell his bannermen he was bringing dragons into the fight, they'd likely have boiled him alive as a sorcerer. But the tradition-bound reavers will make their guy king over dragons no one has seen (Guess it's the medieval version of campaign talk. "We'll build an ice wall and make the wildness pay for it!") despite him being an exiled loon, just so there can be a new threat to keep the Tyrells from taking charge. It starts getting contrived when there's always a new threat to keep the chaos rolling, and one would think a culture that has had to deal with years-long winters for centuries would know better than to set their world on fire on the edge of what everyone agrees will be the longest cold season in a while.
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Apr 5, 2017 04:29
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Sephyr posted:A friend of mine is reading the books and,since he knows I read them all, often brings up points from them. To be fair, people bickering over dumb stuff while a real threat goes unacknowledged is a major theme of the books. Like Dany fantasizes about ~*Daario*~ while she has three uncontrolled dragons locked in her basement. It's an analogy for climate change / nukes, and I bet you someone in the south is going to support the Others invasion in order to destabilize the north.
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Apr 5, 2017 08:33
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The Karstarks are pretty much Starks so that might explain some of their poor decision making skills. But really, grieving people making terrible irrational choices cannot be considered 'forced conflict', it's completely natural and really grrm's entire schtick is that the world is kind of like this huge sitcom stage where people make terrible choices based on emotions, misinformation and a sense of entitlement and that these choices have terrible implications that wind up screwing everyone over.
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Regarding your first question, at that point Robb has not heard of the battle for Duskendale, he explicitly learns of it in the following Cat chapter. Presumably Karstark does not know either and so thinks his son is still free. Irony what.
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Apr 5, 2017 10:35
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Has the Absolute Fucker given a release date for Winds of Winter yet?
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Apr 6, 2017 00:45
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LemonDrizzle posted:Has the Absolute Fucker given a release date for Winds of Winter yet? Sure, he said it'd come out before April the 24th of last year.
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Apr 6, 2017 01:43
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The winds of winter will be here December 21.
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When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves
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Apr 6, 2017 04:12
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The Yellow Whale pooping himself to death and never reaching the storyline's climax was foreshadowing.
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Sephyr posted:A friend of mine is reading the books and,since he knows I read them all, often brings up points from them. preston jacobs theorizes that the dragon horn controls people, not dragons
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Apr 6, 2017 13:27
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Sephyr posted:Had it been a Stark to sound a magical horn and tell his bannermen he was bringing dragons into the fight, they'd likely have boiled him alive as a sorcerer. But the tradition-bound reavers will make their guy king over dragons no one has seen (Guess it's the medieval version of campaign talk. "We'll build an ice wall and make the wildness pay for it!") despite him being an exiled loon, just so there can be a new threat to keep the Tyrells from taking charge. It's not entirely implausible that most people would go for the third option there.
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Sephyr posted:Thinking back, a lot of the conflict, particularly involving the Starks, feels cheap and forced, while, say, Littlefinger, the Boltons and Euron just have cheat codes enabled. Had it been a Stark to sound a magical horn and tell his bannermen he was bringing dragons into the fight, they'd likely have boiled him alive as a sorcerer. But the tradition-bound reavers will make their guy king over dragons no one has seen (Guess it's the medieval version of campaign talk. "We'll build an ice wall and make the wildness pay for it!") despite him being an exiled loon, just so there can be a new threat to keep the Tyrells from taking charge. The answer to this is that the Ironmen are whiny, stupid dipshits.
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LemonDrizzle posted:I don't think Euron's selection as king was all that far fetched. The platforms of the main kingsmoot candidates were (i) "I'm the old king's brother! Let's keep doing the same old poo poo we've been doing forever - pissing off the mainlanders with petty raids until they get sufficiently annoyed to come over to our poo poo islands and smash our skulls in! Yeah!", (ii) "I'm the old kings daughter! Let's give up on the whole reaving and raiding thing and become farmers instead! Look at all these loving turnips, rocks, and pinecones!", and (iii) "I'm the old king's other brother! Let's team up and rule the loving world! Here are some amazing piles of filthy lucre I've accumulated by doing things my way while you were all living it up on poo poo island!" Make iron islands great again.
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Mad Hamish posted:The answer to this is that the Ironmen are whiny, stupid dipshits. Who in this series isn't really?
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IRQ posted:Who in this series isn't really? Varys, Maester Aemon, and literally no-one else.
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It's a story about a generation of idiots destroying the world. The previous generation was mostly fine. Balon's father, Tywin, Queen of thorns, barristan, etc. Stannis's dad was probably reasonable as well. Not sure about Jon Arryn and obviously aerys was nuts but yeah.
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Krinkle posted:Make iron islands great again. new thread title?
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I was listening to Boiled Leather Hour, the GOT podcast, and they were predicting that in the last two books (lol) or seasons, the political intrigue storylines would kind of fade away in favor of Dany/Jon/Fire/Ice/Magic stuff. Do we think that's the case? I really like Littlefinger and Varys and watching Cersei fail at everything, and I'd be real disappointed if the story just ended with dragons fighting ice spiders. (Also Danerys is the least interesting part of the story so gently caress me if that's how it turns out)
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von Metternich posted:I was listening to Boiled Leather Hour, the GOT podcast, and they were predicting that in the last two books (lol) or seasons, the political intrigue storylines would kind of fade away in favor of Dany/Jon/Fire/Ice/Magic stuff. Do we think that's the case? I really like Littlefinger and Varys and watching Cersei fail at everything, and I'd be real disappointed if the story just ended with dragons fighting ice spiders. (Also Danerys is the least interesting part of the story so gently caress me if that's how it turns out) HBO controls the franchise now so it probably mostly depends on what their dragon burning poo poo budget is.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Has the Absolute Fucker given a release date for Winds of Winter yet? You could be reading Maurice Druon right now.
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Apr 7, 2017 06:29
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The whole third book in the original trilogy plan was going to be all about ice zombies. GRRM always wanted the end of this story to be about ice zombies.
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Mad Hamish posted:Varys, Maester Aemon, and literally no-one else. Nymeria is a wolf who goes around eating Freys cause she don't give a gently caress.
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Apr 7, 2017 10:08
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Cavelcade posted:Nymeria is a wolf who goes around eating Freys cause she don't give a gently caress. The Freys are cursed in the eyes of Gods and men. I honestly think the biggest disappointment of the TV show is the total lack of Frey pies. I can handle the watering-down of Cersei's Continuous Mistake and Ramsay Bolton, but the Frey pies were glorious.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:00
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Did you miss the scene where Arya killed Walder while he was eating his kids?
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TK-42-1 posted:Did you miss the scene where Arya killed Walder while he was eating his kids? Thats one Frey pie, he clearly said Frey pies
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Apr 7, 2017 15:36
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Two Freys, One Pie
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That's One! One Frey Pie, ah-ah-ah!
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Apr 7, 2017 19:12
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honestly how could the show kill walder frey its so dumb. its very clear that hes going to be the last living frey as wolfs and the entire continent of nobility all hate him and are enforcing the curse for his breaking of guest right
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violent sex idiot posted:honestly how could the show kill walder frey its so dumb. its very clear that hes going to be the last living frey as wolfs and the entire continent of nobility all hate him and are enforcing the curse for his breaking of guest right it was very anticlimactic didn't like that scene for arya or walder say what you will about the books but that was very tv, like whedonesque
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Krinkle posted:Make iron islands great again. 
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TK-42-1 posted:Did you miss the scene where Arya killed Walder while he was eating his kids? How could I be satisfied with that when we could have had Fat Lord Manderley singing the song about the Rat Cook, dancing around Winterfell's great hall and serving Frey pies to the gathered Boltons and Freys at Ramsay Bolton's wedding to the faux-Arya? Christ, they even could have got the Bloated One to play him.
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Hahahahaa goddamn. Latest 1000 worlds book club, preston goes off on Bayonne NJ. I've been around but I confuse similar names and can't remember if bayonne was the nice place my ex was from and I drove to once, or if it's a literal hellhole that preston describes and that GRRM grew up in.
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The only thing that would be better on this picture is an unwritten manuscript on a table in the corner
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what does an unwritten manuscript look like? there could be dozens there his house is probably littered with them
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lapse posted:The only thing that would be better on this picture is an unwritten manuscript on a table in the corner I'll see what I can do!
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Krinkle posted:Hahahahaa goddamn. Latest 1000 worlds book club, preston goes off on Bayonne NJ. I've been around but I confuse similar names and can't remember if bayonne was the nice place my ex was from and I drove to once, or if it's a literal hellhole that preston describes and that GRRM grew up in. Bayonne is a complete shithole.
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