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Rinkles posted:The "good" thing about all these versions of the gatewatch in standard is that they compete for space in the same decks. Can't just jam all the black PWs without running into issues. Just realized that the second a superfriends deck becomes even remotely playable again it will be renamed <colors> Gatewatch instead of superfriends
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4 drop 4/1 for red, exert to get another combat. Mythic. 2 drop for white, 3/1, exert to make it +1/+3 and give it lifelink. Rare Hmm....
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Wow, I ordered a set of Always Watching yesterday and am really glad, Glory-bound initiate swinging as a 5/5 on T3 is crazy and probably only permissible in a standard with Fatal Push. Love that Liliana, I'm thinking you could play her with some Last Hopes? Load up the yard early with Last Hope or slow the opponent down until she dies or you can cash her in for the emblem, drop this and get your best critter or just poo poo zombies. don't know about GB Delirium though, we've already seen a serviceable hate card against it. Or am I overvaluing a sideboard card?
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The cat is not a very good hate card for Delirium if that's the one you're referring to and the black one probably doesn't get rid of a large enough mass to stop Delirium
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BizarroAzrael posted:don't know about GB Delirium though, we've already seen a serviceable hate card against it. Or am I overvaluing a sideboard card? You've fallen for whatever bullshit spell led KLD standard to have no GY hate at all. There were several GY decks with RTR in standard, which had Deathrite Shaman and Rest In Peace. It takes more than a few hate cards to stop an archetype.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:You've fallen for whatever bullshit spell led KLD standard to have no GY hate at all. That's fine mate, will finally play my Flayers! Although White is looking good and I always favor Orzhov. You're probably right although I do like the black card as sideboard tech, and I do think it can turn off Delirum in most cases by taking artifact creatures and the types that more rarely go to the yard, it's my experience of delirium anyway. I do think Scounger is getting hit hard by the new set though, so it remains to be seen what it does to Saheli combo. I still think Guardian should be banned, but now think it's a shame since then it can't bounce the catlord to make a couple more 2/2 lifelinkers, whilst being a 2/5 lifelinker itself. It would still be able to if it was properly restricted to non-planeswalker types.
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Count Bleck posted:4 drop 4/1 for red, exert to get another combat. Mythic. 3 drop
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Lone Goat posted:3 drop And they can go in the same deck!
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Wait, are we getting two Gideon's in this set, Of the Trials and Martial Paragon? That can't be right...can it?
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Apr 6, 2017 16:55
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Wait, are we getting two Gideon's in this set, Of the Trials and Martial Paragon? That can't be right...can it?
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Wait, are we getting two Gideon's in this set, Of the Trials and Martial Paragon? That can't be right...can it? Of the Trials is the one in packs, Martial Paragon is specific to the planeswalker deck supplementary product (and, while technically Standard legal, is designed to be not good enough to see play).
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Wait, are we getting two Gideon's in this set, Of the Trials and Martial Paragon? That can't be right...can it? Intro decks, I think? They're the ones that refer to walkers by name
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Apr 6, 2017 16:57
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The Liliana is quite good even for a 5 mana planeswalker. 5 base loyalty and +1 to make a blocker is hard to crack. I think every planeswalker that ticks up to make a creature token has been a constructed staple at some point.
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Tales of Woe posted:The Liliana is quite good even for a 5 mana planeswalker. 5 base loyalty and +1 to make a blocker is hard to crack. I think every planeswalker that ticks up to make a creature token has been a constructed staple at some point. Thinking about it, she has some commonality with Elspeth, Sun's Champion, making blockers on her +, and a selective sweeper in your favor (although Lili's is an ultimate instead of something she can do on dropping)
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Apr 6, 2017 17:02
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LOL @ making Gideon's Resolve so kids can say to their mom "Well you need to buy me this intro pack cuz that Gideon card I need to use w/this one
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80s James Hetfield posted:LOL @ making Gideon's Resolve so kids can say to their mom "Well you need to buy me this intro pack cuz that Gideon card I need to use w/this one
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Count Bleck posted:4 drop 4/1 for red, exert to get another combat. Mythic. Having bad mythics is Red's part of the color pie.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:10
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Really neat design, really bad card
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TheKingofSprings posted:Really neat design, really bad card Might be a combo hoser option in modern
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Apr 6, 2017 17:11
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Wish the other side were instant
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Sickening posted:Might be a combo hoser option in modern Not with the weak silence side being sorcery speed.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:13
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Not with the weak silence side being sorcery speed. It last until the start of your next turn, though.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:14
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Not with the weak silence side being sorcery speed. Its until your next turn, works slightly different than silence. RTFC.
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dragon enthusiast posted:Wish the other side were instant that would make the card potentially good instead of what it is now though
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Apr 6, 2017 17:16
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Sickening posted:Its until your next turn, works slightly different than silence. RTFC. What's stopping them from just casting the card they were trying to cast again?
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Apr 6, 2017 17:16
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TheKingofSprings posted:What's stopping them from just casting the card they were trying to cast again? Not enough mana, for example.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:18
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Not having enough mana I guess. If they can just recast it after you bounce it it's pretty awful.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:19
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TheKingofSprings posted:What's stopping them from just casting the card they were trying to cast again? not having enough mana, you would use it in similar situations as remand (except without the option of having a cantrip when you need it), except i don't think remand is good without the cantrip effect
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Apr 6, 2017 17:20
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mandatory lesbian posted:not having enough mana, you would use it in similar situations as remand (except without the option of having a cantrip when you need it), except i don't think remand is good without the cantrip effect
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Apr 6, 2017 17:21
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Remand is playable, and it's situationally worse than Failure//Comply. If opponent has enough mana to just replay the spell you counter, than neither card will get you out of a jam. If they don't have enough mana to re-cast, then depending on the board and your hand, spending W to get an extra turn to act before they can redeploy their threat sometimes will be better than drawing a card but having to keep hard-counter mana up next turn.
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Is it at all relevant that Failure works on uncounterable spells while Remand does not? edit: Oh hey, with choose a cardname, how does that work with these split/aftermath cards? I'm sure there's already rules about it since they've existed for a while.
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I actually had to look that one up, but it's pretty straightforward: 708.7. Each split card has two names. If an effect instructs a player to name a card and the player wants to name a split card, the player must name one of those names and not both. An object has the chosen name if one of its names is the chosen name.
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odiv posted:Is it at all relevant that Failure works on uncounterable spells while Remand does not? it's relevant for serpopard (god that name) and uhhhhh that might be it actually in modern it's relevant for the rare Supreme Verdict deck and, once again, not much else
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Not too many people running Boseiju then?  I have no idea what the meta's like, thanks for the info.
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mandatory lesbian posted:in modern it's relevant for the rare Supreme Verdict deck and, once again, not much else Abrupt Decay and Cavern of Souls.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:47
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This seems really exploitable somehow but I'm not sure exactly how
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You know what this reminds me of? Reflector Mage A really bad Reflector Mage for spells
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The card that should belong in G/B snakes actually just hoses it, because Constrictor says only creatures you control. I think that is a cool card though. The 1/1s having Deathtouch is kind of bonkers.
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