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suicidesteve posted:Abrupt Decay and Cavern of Souls. doh i knew i forgot something, and decay is even in the same cycle of cards >_<
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DangerDongs posted:The card that should belong in G/B snakes actually just hoses it, because Constrictor says only creatures you control.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:55
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Just make it infect instead of -1 counters....it's got poison in the name for god sakes
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Apr 6, 2017 17:59
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TheKingofSprings posted:This seems really exploitable somehow but I'm not sure exactly how "Black Sun for one..."
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Apr 6, 2017 18:09
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Why doesn't this dude have deathtouch. Someone will probably find a way to do some sick nasty stuff with this and the -1/-1 efficiency beaters, looking forward to that.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:10
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80s James Hetfield posted:Just make it infect instead of -1 counters....it's got poison in the name for god sakes Infection and poison are not the same thing.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:11
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Why doesn't this dude have deathtouch. How pushed do you want the bear to be?
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Apr 6, 2017 18:27
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I'm not highly confident about it but I think you guys are wrong that Failure to Comply is bad
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Apr 6, 2017 18:29
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Infection and poison are not the same thing. Infect makes poison counters....poison in the name....same poo poo basically
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Apr 6, 2017 18:36
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80s James Hetfield posted:Infect makes poison counters....poison in the name....same poo poo basically And yet they are still both as distinct as poisonous and infect are to each other.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:38
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sit on my Facebook posted:I'm not highly confident about it but I think you guys are wrong that Failure to Comply is bad I agree with you, it looks pretty decent
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Apr 6, 2017 18:40
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This is pretty bad. If putting these counters on your opponents guys is relevant, it is never getting through.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:43
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So we can now play 8 cards that give you 1/1s whenever a -1/-1 counter is put on a creature? There has to be a deck that abuses that, right?
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Amonkhet vorthos question. How do you go about washing out? Can you quit the trials, or just stay in one indefinitely? There are children on the plane, and apparently a lady who's job is "Vizier of Poisons." So there are jobs that aren't being done by zombies. It seems like pretty public knowledge that winning Amonkhet-Gladiator ends with getting a stabbin'.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:50
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Play Snakes man. Play one of the two drops that enters with -1/-1 counters. Get Snakes.
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Cactrot posted:And yet they are still both as distinct as poisonous and infect are to each other. Yeah they're different but this crap should be smoothed out to make it more intuitive.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:51
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mcmagic posted:This is pretty bad. If putting these counters on your opponents guys is relevant, it is never getting through. It's a good thing it shares the colors of a deck packing early creature removal, and ways to make it big enough to get through. It isn't game breaking, but it is good enough to warrant play testing.
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Apr 6, 2017 18:52
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Mikujin posted:Play Snakes man. Play one of the two drops that enters with -1/-1 counters. Get Snakes. There's also that aura that ETBs a counter
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Apr 6, 2017 18:54
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DangerDongs posted:It's a good thing it shares the colors of a deck packing early creature removal, and ways to make it big enough to get through. That deck can also play 3 other 2's that are all much better though...
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Apr 6, 2017 18:58
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DangerDongs posted:How pushed do you want the bear to be? A 2/3 with deathtouch is about the appropriate level of pushed I would expect from a legendary, given the pattern over the last few blocks. 
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:A 2/3 with deathtouch is about the appropriate level of pushed I would expect from a legendary, given the pattern over the last few blocks. 2/3 with DT and LL is an uncommon...
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Apr 6, 2017 18:59
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mcmagic posted:That deck can also play 3 other 2's that are all much better though... I think the ability to make 1/1s with death touch is a pretty good ability to try running one legendary 2 drop in a deck. The -1/-1 is just icing. I'm going to try running 1 by doing a 1 and 1 split between this and Rishkar.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:02
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:A 2/3 with deathtouch is about the appropriate level of pushed I would expect from a legendary, given the pattern over the last few blocks. No, gently caress you X/X+1s are the reason Standard has been such poo poo lately.
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DangerDongs posted:I think the ability to make 1/1s with death touch is a pretty good ability to try running one legendary 2 drop in a deck. The -1/-1 is just icing. Getting a snake off of this is almost impossible... When are you going to be able to get through with this when they have another creature to put a counter on so you can get a snake? goth smoking cloves posted:No, gently caress you X/X+1s are the reason Standard has been such poo poo lately. That was the previous standard, which was much better than this standard.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:04
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mcmagic posted:Getting a snake off of this is almost impossible... Exactly what I thought when I first looked at it. No evasion, the payoff is a 1/1 snake with deathtouch when he does connect. Legendary to boot. Seems pretty awful without a lot of help.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:05
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This, Nest of Scarabs, and the green creatures that come with -1/-1 counters. and you just need the green guys big, you put the -1/-1 on one of the 20 1/1 token you made in the previous turns. Sickening posted:Exactly what I thought when I first looked at it. No evasion, the payoff is a 1/1 snake with deathtouch when he does connect. Legendary to boot. Seems pretty awful without a lot of help. You don't need to connect, you need only effects that put -1/-1 counters. As a 5/4 haste crocodile.
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Sickening posted:Exactly what I thought when I first looked at it. No evasion, the payoff is a 1/1 snake with deathtouch when he does connect. Legendary to boot. Seems pretty awful without a lot of help. You need a ton of other ways to get -1/-1 counters. The first ability might as well not be there.
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Sickening posted:Exactly what I thought when I first looked at it. No evasion, the payoff is a 1/1 snake with deathtouch when he does connect. Legendary to boot. Seems pretty awful without a lot of help. Not that I think he's great but I think yall are missing that he doesn't have to connect to get the snake. Triggers any time you put a -1/-1 counter on any creature for any reason and there's lots of creatures in this set that do it to themselves.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:09
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mcmagic posted:Getting a snake off of this is almost impossible... When are you going to be able to get through with this when they have another creature to put a counter on so you can get a snake Good thing that this is the only card in the set that makes -1 counters.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Not that I think he's great but I think yall are missing that he doesn't have to connect to get the snake. Triggers any time you put a -1/-1 counter on any creature for any reason and there's lots of creatures in this set that do it to themselves. That seems seems bad. You have to go wide with -1-1 counters to even get more than 1 snake. uPen posted:Good thing that this is the only card in the set that makes -1 counters. Generally a card like this needs to be good on its own first before the synergy with other cards takes it over the top.
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sit on my Facebook posted:I'm not highly confident about it but I think you guys are wrong that Failure to Comply is bad I agree, but I wonder how much of it is my bias towards tempo cards.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:12
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Sickening posted:Generally a card like this needs to be good on its own first before the synergy with other cards takes it over the top. Winding constrictor sure is bad.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:14
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edit: I'm dumb. (this forums comment is evergreen)
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YggdrasilTM posted:Winding constrictor sure is bad. On its own its still a 2/3 for 2, which might arguably be better than this card on its own. You also don't have other other constrictors rotting in your hand because of the legend rule.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:16
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Sickening posted:On its own its still a 2/3 for 2, which might argueably be better than this card on its own. I'm just a sucker for synergy cards.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:17
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Sickening posted:Generally a card like this needs to be good on its own first before the synergy with other cards takes it over the top. Maybe, I just want to draft it.
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Sickening posted:On its own its still a 2/3 for 2, which might argueably be better than this card on its own. When I think standard powerhouse, I think Armored Warhorse.
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YggdrasilTM posted:Winding constrictor sure is bad. Winding Constrictor is actually likely bad now though
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YggdrasilTM posted:Winding constrictor sure is bad. It's bad on it's own. There is just alot of other good cards that synergize with it now in standard. Mostly Ballista.
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Infinite snakes with two grim poppets on the board, value for days
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