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Disinterested posted:Oh and can this please go in this or a future OP Even the humor in this thread is ancient history.
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homullus posted:Even the humor in this thread is ancient history. New thread title please.
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I was reading about the horse sacrifice traditions from various Indo-European cultures and a thought occurred to me: do you think Vercingetorix ever hosed a horse?
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eszett engma posted:I was reading about the horse sacrifice traditions from various Indo-European cultures and a thought occurred to me: do you think Vercingetorix ever hosed a horse? Certainly he did, but the bigger question is this: was the horse secretly an astral projection of the Bolivian Illuminatus?
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Another day of volunteering to guard the sacrificial horse, everyone keeps asking me if they can gently caress it. Buddy, they won't even let me gently caress it.
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Apr 3, 2017 16:24
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Another day of volunteering to guard the sacrificial horse, everyone keeps asking me if they can gently caress it. Buddy, they won't even let me gently caress it. It's a sacrificial horse, how the hell are they gonna know
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Another day of volunteering to guard the sacrificial horse, everyone keeps asking me if they can gently caress it. Buddy, they won't even let me gently caress it. Is the other way around an option?  
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eszett engma posted:I was reading about the horse sacrifice traditions from various Indo-European cultures and a thought occurred to me: do you think Vercingetorix ever hosed a horse? Maybe there was an Indo-European myth where the chief god hosed a mare and she gave birth to divine twins.
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Grevling posted:Maybe there was an Indo-European myth where the chief god hosed a mare and she gave birth to divine twins. Romans were like "ok that's bullshit, we def tried and it's impossible." "Ok how about a wolf?" "Nope tried that too" "Ok what about an abandoned kid raised by a wolf?" "Eh sounds doable but we need more badassery" "Abandoned twins raised by a wolf, then the wolves have them fight to the death for their entertainment" "Spot on."
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Apr 3, 2017 20:19
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Horsefucking in mythology: The Norse gods had Loki turn himself into a mare so he could seduce a giant horse to prevent a contractor from completing on time because they didn't want to hold up their end of the deal. Then Loki gave birth to a freaky super-horse which became Odin's horse because riding your friend's kid around isn't weird. The Æsir were basically a bunch of assholes.
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Apr 4, 2017 01:54
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Mommy? Where do Centaurs come from?
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The Centaurs of Greek mythology were children (grandchildren, really) of Ixion and Nephele. Ixion, king of the Lapiths of Thessaly, was brought to Mount Olympus by Zeus to avoid being judged as a kinslayer (having killed his father-in-law). Ixion had the hots for Hera, and so Zeus reshaped a cloud nymph to look like Hera, so that Ixion could gently caress her instead of Zeus' wife. The product of their union was Centauros, who had sex with the mares of Magnesia, and so created the Centaurs. 
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Apr 4, 2017 10:15
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drat, Zeus
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FAUXTON posted:drat, Zeus Hey, Zeus ain't the one who sauntered off Olympus to go gently caress horses.
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He's the one who'd saunter off Olympus to gently caress in the shape of a horse, though, that's for sure.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:He's the one who'd saunter off Olympus to gently caress in the shape of a horse, though, that's for sure. Or a bull. Or a goose. Or a beam of light allegorically representing his divine power. Really, though, dude just liked to gently caress. edit: seriously, the Jesus story would be so much better if god came down and laid the mack down on Mary, Zeus-stlyle. It would make for a great "so here's the thing. . . " conversation between Gabriel and Joseph, too.
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Apr 4, 2017 12:58
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I wonder if some of the earliest missionaries tried explaining Jesus' conception like that. "So Zeus having changed into a ghost and impregnated this Jewish woman... "
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Actually, from what I remember, that sort of came up. A popular argument in Jewish polemics against early Christians was the ridiculous blasphemy of God impregnating a woman, whereas polytheist critics didn't really object to that claim. Gods have children with humans all the time!
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Might have started out as that and got cut out later on. All those stories like to borrow plots from older myths.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Hey, Zeus ain't the one who sauntered off Olympus to go gently caress horses. A thread title on every page.
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Kellsterik posted:Actually, from what I remember, that sort of came up. A popular argument in Jewish polemics against early Christians was the ridiculous blasphemy of God impregnating a woman, have children with humans all the time! Rabbi: Young man, you don't follow for a very simple reason; these men are screwballs. God has children? What, and a dog? A collie, maybe? God doesn't have children. He's a bachelor. And VERY angry.
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Apr 4, 2017 16:35
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You'd think the Jews would be open to discussing whether or not God could have a child, at least, considering the whole Talmud thing. Hell, it was probably discussed in the Babylonian Talmud somewhere. Read the Talmud, it's great. It's rabbis having theological slapfights with each other over hundreds of years, with footnotes.
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Judaism is humanity's longest running game of rules lawyering the dungeon master (the lord).
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FreudianSlippers posted:Horsefucking in mythology: And that's not even the weirdest kid Loki had, not even in the top three.
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Ancient mythology reads like Silver Age Superman comics. The main characters are nominally heroes but come off as weird assholes, the plots take the most bizarre turns and twists, and it's all very opaque and simple at the same time.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Ancient mythology reads like Silver Age Superman comics. The main characters are nominally heroes but come off as weird assholes, the plots take the most bizarre turns and twists, and it's all very opaque and simple at the same time. I think it's because the persons who invented much of that mythology (like the ancient greeks and viking) saw themselves as heroes but to everyone else they came off as weird assholes.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:29
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That's to be expected when a bunch of epic drunk rear end dudes in smoky huts have too much time on their hands. Long winter nights.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Ancient mythology reads like Silver Age Superman comics. The main characters are nominally heroes but come off as weird assholes, the plots take the most bizarre turns and twists, and it's all very opaque and simple at the same time. "Stand back, Rhea! Don't you see -- I have to eat my own children!"
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah it's an absolute blast, even if she can't help but justify everything Caesar does. I'm about to start reading the second book. I'm not all that familiar with the Marius/Sulla period, so I don't know how accurate it is, but it's been great. I love Scaurus.
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I read those books when I was in high school and had absolutely no idea who like anyone involved except Gaius Julius Caesar were. It's an interesting way to first learn about these guys.
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Octy posted:I'm about to start reading the second book. I'm not all that familiar with the Marius/Sulla period, so I don't know how accurate it is, but it's been great. The books are what actually introduced me to Sulla (I vaguely knew about Marius from the Marian Reforms) and man that was one fascinating dude. Octy posted:I love Scaurus. There's an amazing scene in one of the early books (spoilering if you haven't got to it yet) about a big legal case involving Scaurus: The lawyer lays out all the many reasons Scaurus is guilty and asks him to counter his claims. Scaurus gets up and says to the jury,"Yo who here finds me not-guilty?" and the whole jury bursts out laughing and puts their hands up and the case is dismissed and they all leave together laughing their asses off  Elyv posted:I read those books when I was in high school and had absolutely no idea who like anyone involved except Gaius Julius Caesar were. It's an interesting way to first learn about these guys. Especially Agrippa. AGRIPPA 
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I doubt the historic Aurelia Cotta was a crime boss, though.
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Epicurius posted:I doubt the historic Aurelia Cotta was a crime boss, though. Well, his New Jerseyian descendents are therefore
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FreudianSlippers posted:God doesn't have children. He's a bachelor. And VERY angry. The average is 5.5? I thought it was 7 days. This is very unsettling.
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New pyramid remains discovered south of Cairoquote:Remains found 40km south of Cairo could be of Egypt's first attempt to build a smooth-sided pyramid, officials say. Dalael fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Does anyone have any recommendations for a good narrative history of the eastern Mediterranean from the end of the Bronze Age through to the Hellenistic? I realize it's a really broad and heavily studied timeframe but is there anything out there that covers all or most of it without being super basic or general?
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Apr 6, 2017 19:03
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I'm reading "The Great Sea", by David Abulafia at the moment. It covers the period you mention and then some. I think it's quite interesting and well-written, although the author's politics do show here and there, particularly when ranting about "modern historians".
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I always think of places like Egypt as having already been completely excavated. It's nice to be reminded that's far from the case, and fascinating to wonder how much we can learn from all the stuff still out there in a place like Egypt, let alone some of the places that have been comparatively barely touched. Are there any recorded cases of something like battlefield PTSD surviving from ancient sources? Dan Carlin kinda touches on that in his persian wars podcast episodes but he's not a historian. Also, unrelated, how likely is Cleopatra's suicide-by-snake to be a real thing? Are there other people supposed to have died that way? Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 20:34
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Egypt probably has some really exciting stuff still waiting to be discovered, because deserts are superb at preserving written documents which would have rotted away in a wetter climate.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
While this is not a necessarily a historical work, Simon Weil's essay 'iliad, or the poem of force' is a very interesting read on the way violence and the way it affects people. I would highly recommend it. After having read it, the different descriptions of violence present in the Iliad begin to look like what a person with ptsd would write.
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