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Poltergrift posted:When Dlanor took communion, I bet it was with the Corpus Christie. I will not allow such a pun to EXIST. It must not EXIST. (good pun, pal)
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Also, for the record, Dlanor's last word in every sentence is capital because it's written in katakana. It's not meant to be her shouting the word, but to show that she's speaking it with an inflection that the other words don't have.
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idonotlikepeas posted:In that case, Roland is probably a good guess, or Arnold, or Ronald. I'm betting it's Ronald, because that's Father Knox's first name. Is this going to be some hosed-up gender-swapped version of Knox? Holy poo poo it actually was. WHAT IS SHE WEARING. HOW DO THE OUTFITS GET MORE INSANE. ProfessorProf posted:
And here we are, in a mystery story, positioned to root for the (potential) culprit to succeed in deceiving the detective. This poo poo is FASCINATING. (Speaking of, what is the deal with Dlanor's speech pattern? Is it a translation thing?)
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"Your lie has already been exposed, Natsuhi-san. We already know that you were alone in this room last night."
"Isn't it about time to give up and confess? Culprits who are bad at giving up tend to go with bad mystery novels. At least in the end, please prove that this is a slightly better third-rate mystery than that."
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As much fun as Dlanor reactions always are, we should also get some speculation going. We all know that Kinzo is already dead, but even so, is there any way left for Battler to show that he could have escaped the study?
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idonotlikepeas posted:Holy poo poo it actually was. WHAT IS SHE WEARING. HOW DO THE OUTFITS GET MORE INSANE. The only thing that can dress sillier than a witch is a self proclaimed witch hunter. ProfessorProf posted:As much fun as Dlanor reactions always are, we should also get some speculation going. We all know that Kinzo is already dead, but even so, is there any way left for Battler to show that he could have escaped the study? Hmm... all I have are three very flawed possibilities in mind. Kinzo left with Natsuhi from the front door, Kinzo snuck out after Rudolf came in through the window, and Kinzo broke a new exit out and managed to patch it over before Rudolf came in through the window. This is what I come up with while eating breakfast before going to work and I'm already bad at this, probably won't comeback with good answers so have fun folks.
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Poltergrift posted:When Dlanor took communion, I bet it was with the Corpus Christie. Blessed is this pun. There were some EXCELLENT songs in today's update. This was ride that just keeps on going.  As for Battler-claiming-to-be-Kinzo escaping the room, it seems that taking the door is out of the question unless Battler notices the paper trick and puts it back in place after leaving. The only way I can think of is taking the window out, unless.... Battler takes an unorthodox way of escape by hiding underneath Natsuhi's dress as she walks out. Battler's pervertedness finally comes into play for once.
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W...Wh... WHAT THE FU-  What is happening here!? In the same breath we start talking about Knox's rules in this story, Erika summons the Literal Personification Of THE loving KNOX RULES to help her fight Beatrice! And she's an anime girl! With Armor! And Minions! And another laser sword, Pew Pew! And is apparently the daughter of Monseigneur Knox herself! And weird speaking patterns because Anime, and of course she does hahahahahahahahahaHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH HOW IS THIS poo poo ALLOWED?!?!? I mean, yes, we are obviously still drawing a line between reality and whatever weird wonderland poo poo is going on here*, but we do still have a battle between fantasy and mystery, and since when have the rules dictated that the Mystery side can call on the bunny ladies and the Anime Inquisition when battler could not, because that poo poo is silly? Pretty sure mystery doesn't get to call down magic or supernatural abilities- which is one of KNOX'S OWN RULES, haha- or did I miss the part in Hercule Poirot when he loving Kamehameha'd the bad guy instead of setting up a parlor room? Was Battler always allowed to click his fingers and summon a lot more competent people in the other games? No he was Not!! Because that was a battle between mystery and fantasy and not... whatever I see here. And don't think I didn't notice that cackle that Erika made, only you witches have ever made a sound like that. Which means she's a Sheplant... a PLANT!! And not a real detective at all, the wretch. More goddamn laser swords- you can take em and shove em into your SMUG FACE!!! *And OK, Fine, summoning an avatar of mystery is exactly the sort of craziness I happen to like, well done R07 
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idonotlikepeas posted:Holy poo poo it actually was. WHAT IS SHE WEARING. HOW DO THE OUTFITS GET MORE INSANE. Her shoulder's a rook. I think it's quite clever. EagerSleeper posted:As for Battler-claiming-to-be-Kinzo escaping the room, it seems that taking the door is out of the question unless Battler notices the paper trick and puts it back in place after leaving. The only way I can think of is taking the window out, unless.... Battler takes an unorthodox way of escape by hiding underneath Natsuhi's dress as she walks out. Battler's pervertedness finally comes into play for once. This works. I don't think Kinzo could fit, but practicalities aren't the point, are they? The window could have an autolock. That feels cheap though. I don't know how seasonal time changes work in Japan, so The clocks could have changed one hour backwards (the British summer time change equivalent), so that at 11:00, it became 10:00, at which point Kinzo exits the study and reseals the door with Eva's note. The door does not open after the new 11:00. Perhaps Kinzo left first, then Natsuhi followed him out some time later. Eva seals the door when Natsuhi leaves, after Kinzo has already left. resurgam40 posted:HOW IS THIS poo poo ALLOWED?!?!? I mean, yes, we are obviously still drawing a line between reality and whatever weird wonderland poo poo is going on here*, but we do still have a battle between fantasy and mystery, and since when have the rules dictated that the Mystery side can call on the bunny ladies and the Anime Inquisition when battler could not, because that poo poo is silly? Pretty sure mystery doesn't get to call down magic or supernatural abilities- which is one of KNOX'S OWN RULES, haha- or did I miss the part in Hercule Poirot when he loving Kamehameha'd the bad guy instead of setting up a parlor room? Knox's rules are the magic of the mystery genre. They're the anti-magic that allows a mystery to be solved. Hercule's Kamehameha is implicit. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 18:10
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Hang on remind me again why Battler isn't still on the anti-witch side? Why isn't he driving the knife in deeper? Win the game. End it!
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Apr 6, 2017 18:16
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This scene is probably the single most Umineko thing in all of Umineko. When I try to define Umineko in my own mind, this is the scene I reference. The sheer insanity of it is specific only to this series. We have hit Peak Umi.
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Artificer posted:Hang on remind me again why Battler isn't still on the anti-witch side? Why isn't he driving the knife in deeper? Technically, Meta-Battler still hasn't rejoined the game yet. This is Piece Battler, acting on the board level to protect Natsuhi's honor and on the meta level as Lambdadelta's mouthpiece to counter Erika's moves.
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The horribly butchered English Dlanor throws out at the end was the perfect capstone to that scene.
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BurningStone posted:In the first arc, Battler had to be introduced to Kanon and Gohda, because they weren't around six years ago. But Kanon is quietly furious with the world, and a prime candidate to grab a knife and start leaping about. He's also very protective of Shannon, which fits well. But does it really seem like he's spent years resenting Battler for not being around for Shannon, then when he shows up starts killing everybody else? Beato has nothing to gain from having someone solve the epitaph. Regardless of whether the epitaph is solved or not, Beato has nothing to gain. I still feel a cry for attention, a rememberance of the sin he committed 6 years ago, is the main motive here. Acknowledgement and repentance. CottonWolf posted:Her shoulder's a rook. I think it's quite clever. drat, beaten to like everything at the same time. Dlanor's left arm appears to be representing a rook, the pieces Bernkastel specifically namedropped. My expectation was the last of those three blues - Kinzo left first, then Natsuhi followed him out some time later. Eva seals the door when Natsuhi leaves, after Kinzo has already left. If it's a closed room, then all you have to do is exit it before the trap slams shut. Any method of exiting the room has been denied. Door was not opened past 11. Windows can only be locked from the inside. No hidden passages. Natsuhi spoke with him face-to-face. Kinzo refers to Ushiromiya Kinzo, and no one else. Cyouni fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 18:33
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idonotlikepeas posted:(Speaking of, what is the deal with Dlanor's speech pattern? Is it a translation thing?) Yeah, it is. It's consistent with the other uses of brackets and caps we've seen in the game, though - Dlanor ends all of her sentences in katakana, and randomly intersperses English words into her speech. Notably, for those who haven't seen the video, the breakdown (build up?) at the end is a natural progression of a string of sentences ending in "desu" which, well, is a homophone for the Japanese pronunciation of the English word "death". So it's a loop of desudesudesudesudesudesudesu<DIE THE DEATH>. <SENTENCE TO DEATH>. <GREAT EQUALIZER IS THE DEATH>. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Apr 6, 2017 |
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Apr 6, 2017 19:13
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Knox's rules? Isn't it already proven that a number of those rules are broken for this story? I would think that would make using them a poor choice.
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Apr 6, 2017 19:57
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grandalt posted:Knox's rules? Isn't it already proven that a number of those rules are broken for this story? I would think that would make using them a poor choice. Was it, though? I saw a lot of supposition on why it shouldn't fit, but isn't this pretty much Red Truth that it does?
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Apr 6, 2017 20:11
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grandalt posted:Knox's rules? Isn't it already proven that a number of those rules are broken for this story? I would think that would make using them a poor choice. for the previous games yes, but the current one changed formats with the GM, Bern's enforcing the rules for this one.
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grandalt posted:Knox's rules? Isn't it already proven that a number of those rules are broken for this story? I would think that would make using them a poor choice. It's only broken if magic and furniture is real.
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The simplest way I can think of to keep Kinzo "alive" is to say Natsuhi was lying, but because she's trying to hide that Kinzo disappeared, say, the day before the conference, not because he died. That way a lot of past suspicious behavior gets explained as well. I don't think outright supernatural powers have been tried ("he teleported himself to another dimension") but I assume Knox would just shoot that down as well. What are the other popular ways of breaking locked rooms? Claim that he went out the window when Rudolf turned to open the door? Claim that the window wasn't really locked, just stuck/taped and Rudolf mistook it for locked? Claim Kinzo came out from hiding and went out the door while all of them were looking around the apartment? This is making me wonder where the body is. Or maybe in this timeline it was cremated long ago?
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resurgam40 posted:or did I miss the part in Hercule Poirot when he loving Kamehameha'd the bad guy instead of setting up a parlor room? Well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rDz8phYD10
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idonotlikepeas posted:She could be a shrine maiden or something; it might make sense to bring in a religious authority to counter a witch. Peas keeps proving worthy of the Erika avatar but even when coming so close, I guess nobody expected the Heavenly inquisition savixeon posted:Does anyone else feel like punching Dlanor in the face? Dlanor is amazing, I will not allow opinions this terrible to EXIST. KataraniSword posted:Yeah, it is. It's consistent with the other uses of brackets and caps we've seen in the game, though - Dlanor ends all of her sentences in katakana, and randomly intersperses English words into her speech. Yeah. Since she does tend to end her sentences with a verb (unsurprising because that's how Japanese works), the final syllables are quite often either DESU (death) or MASU (mass, to keep with the religious theme... which could be coincidence but probably not). grandalt posted:Knox's rules? Isn't it already proven that a number of those rules are broken for this story? I would think that would make using them a poor choice. Guess it's fine to mention at this point that Beato herself has already claimed to follow Knox's rules long ago. You don't remember that happening? Time for a reread 
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curiousCat posted:
This would be totally amazing to see the fighting game section that I assume she's in. If she's not in it, this is a crime against HUMANITY.
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grandalt posted:Knox's rules? Isn't it already proven that a number of those rules are broken for this story? I would think that would make using them a poor choice. So, this was my contention, and I maintain that it is true, but I think there's a bit of nuance here. Specifically: the story itself craps on Knox's decalogue in a few places, but not when there's a murder. So it's okay to have a secret passage to the golden land, as long as we aren't trying to solve a murder mystery where the solution involves escaping through it. We can have clues about the epitaph that aren't produced for the reader, but the same thing won't happen with murder clues. We've definitely followed the murderer's thoughts, but probably not during the part of the story where we're investigating the murder. And so on. The story basically flips from background material (which might be classified as an adventure story) into a mystery at a certain point, and once we're in the latter territory we're following Knox's commandments. I don't know if this holds for sure, but it seems a reasonable hypothesis to work with for now. tiistai posted:I guess nobody expected the Heavenly inquisition The Heavenly Inquisition is expected by NOBODY. BurningStone posted:This is making me wonder where the body is. Or maybe in this timeline it was cremated long ago? I expect it's still kicking around somewhere. Might be locked up in the basement or something? Probably near where it usually gets burned. Nobody wants to have to carry a body around everywhere. BurningStone posted:Claim that the window wasn't really locked, just stuck/taped and Rudolf mistook it for locked? Claim Kinzo came out from hiding and went out the door while all of them were looking around the apartment? The fact that the windows were locked has been stated in red. The other one is possible, but unlikely given the number of people involved. Cyouni posted:My expectation was the last of those three blues - Kinzo left first, then Natsuhi followed him out some time later. Eva seals the door when Natsuhi leaves, after Kinzo has already left. If it's a closed room, then all you have to do is exit it before the trap slams shut. This one works, I think. There are multiple rooms in there, so you can even have Natsuhi go into the bathroom or whatever and have him slip out, so that she thinks he's still in bed even when he isn't.
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Cyouni posted:This would be totally amazing to see the fighting game section that I assume she's in.
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lotus circle posted:She is indeed in the fighting game, but anything from that still goes into spoiler territory. <DIE THE DEATH> is absolutely her super move though, I don't think that's a spoiler.
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Does it use the same voice sample when she pulls it off? That would be a missed opportunity if not. E: Also, 10/10 for putting spinning head Kasumi in the LP archive. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Holy poo poo, those are some outfits. Did pants kill R07's parents or something?
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  Video: Flight of the One-Winged EagleBGM: Dir  "You'll become... Kinzo-san? Are you saying you'll become Kinzo-san and reenact his disappearance from this room?" "...You couldn't possibly think you can deny my checkmate, right? Fool!!!" "...What is this man SAYING?" "Hey, new girls. This is your first game, correct?" "Sorry, but calling checkmate after something like that is totally useless. Yeah, it's all useless...!!"  "Yeah. I'll reenact it. I'll become Grandfather and disappear from this room." "Y, you can't use the windows or the door, right?! How would you do it...?!" "Did you find a hidden door?!" "I don't have a clue either... yes, not a clue...!!"*rustle*. That sound wasn't just the noise of the onlookers fidgeting. It was a provocative chill that ran up Erika's spine. "...Interesting. I see, you are the Ushiromiya family head, the one who bears the Head's Ring. That should more than qualify you to stand in for Kinzo-san." "Why don't you let us have a look at your theory?!!"Erika's expression was no longer a provocative smile. It was malicious. Extremely displeased. She couldn't conceal her anger at having this very pleasurable time of hers ruined.   "Heh, heheheheh... I've got it. I see, so that move is still available." "So you finally figured it out, you drat geezer. Hidden doors and hiding under the bed... all that stuff is so pitiful it brings tears to the eyes. This is THE Ushiromiya Kinzo we're talking about here. There's got to be a more thrilling and exciting answer." "Exactly. How pitiful that even I couldn't think of it, even though it was about me. And how pitiful that the only one of my relatives to understand me is Battler, the kid who's returned after being gone six years. Battler, take my place. Do not shame me!" "Sure, Gramps!! I'll teach these guests what the dignity of the Ushiromiya family head is all about!!" "What are you planning to do, Father...?!" "Wahhahahahaha!! Natsuhi, Beatrice, watch! We'll show you what being the Ushiromiya family head is all about!" "...That Battler, what is he trying to prove...?" "There's no way he can do anything. This is a perfect closed room!" Battler called Natsuhi over to the window and whispered something to her with his back towards the others... "...<Miss> Dlanor. You're ready for everything, right? It's not possible for Kinzo and the witch to slip out of this room, right?" "Of COURSE. Gertrude, Cornelia. And the palace guards. Double check that the seal of this closed room is PERFECT." "Please, allow me to speak. Our barrier is perfect." "Allow me to speak. There are no hidden doors, and escape will not be granted through either door or window! Palace guards, when Battler hits the barrier, fire your arrows without hesitation!" "C, Chiester Corps, roger. Battler-sama, prepare yourself...!" "Escaping from this room... is impossible...!" "...But he'll do it nyeh." "H, how...?!" "He's certain he can succeed even without any basis. That's what it means to be the Ushiromiya head nyeh...!" "...True. Let's watch." "Yeah. Let's see the majesty of Riiche's opponent...!" BGM: Endless Nine Everyone nodded and watched Battler's every move...  "Grandfather was lying in bed like this grunting his understanding of Aunt Natsuhi's daily report or whatever."Battler laid down on the bed himself. As if it still mattered now, Erika grumbled about disturbing the crime scene, but no one listened to her.  "Then, I stop answering and sleep. Well, realistically speaking, I probably get tired of all that talking and only pretend to be asleep." "Ahahahaha! You really do get it...!" Natsuhi lowered her head to Battler, who was still lying down in the bed, and turned around... Then, she started wandering around, as though doing an inspection of the room.  "...After seeing that Grandfather was asleep, Aunt Natsuhi probably did an inspection of the room before leaving." "Of course, she had Shannon-chan and the others clean it every day, but she still checked it thoroughly herself. Making sure there was no dust piling up. Making sure that he hadn't run out of any consumables." "Y, yes. This is the room of the precious family head, so I check everything carefully myself instead of relying entirely on the servants. I always do that." "...Th, that's true. Madam usually checks things very carefully." "Her inspection is very detailed, and she even checks all of the consumables in the washroom one by one." "In other words, it's not just dust on the windowsill like you see all the time on TV. She checks to see that there's enough soap and toilet paper in the washroom. Though she probably doesn't have to do it each day, she's very devoted." "Th, that is my routine. I mustn't slack off in my inspection of the head's room for even a single day." "...So what's your point? Please keep any showing off to a minimum." "*giggle*. So only the detective is allowed to show off?" "Nn, gah, I, I'm... the... detective..." "Since we're inside the study, you can probably tell, but even though we call it a study, it wouldn't be wrong to call it a second house inside the mansion." "It has a sleeping room, a study, a washroom, and even a toilet and bath. In other words, it isn't a single room. You could call it a full house." "He isn't hiding. However, there has to be several blind spots. For example, if Aunt Natsuhi went into the bathroom to check the amount of toilet paper, most of the study would be out of her sight range." "...In other words, for almost every location in the study, the observer would have disappeared." "Let it be said that the witch's darkness is filling the study." "Good. It's being filled with the power of darkness. Heheheheheheheh!" "And so what if the observer... if Natsuhi left...? What next?!" "When Grandfather noticed that fussy Aunt Natsuhi leaving, he got up." "Why?!" "...Because Aunt Natsuhi was in the blind spot of the bathroom, it becomes possible for Grandfather to walk about the study at will."It was possible for him to move without Natsuhi's knowledge. It was possible for him to move without contradicting what Natsuhi knew! "Warning, Battler is approaching the study door." "Allow me to speak. A noise rings out when the lock on the study door is released. Know that you cannot leave through the door without Natsuhi thinking something was odd."Because Battler had acted as though he was heading for the door, Gertrude, who was sealing the door, immediately sent out a warning. Maybe it was possible for him to leave the study while in Natsuhi's blind spot. However. "That's right, it's the sound!! We know that there's a loud sound when the auto-lock is released! Even if Natsuhi was in a blind spot inside the study, she wouldn't miss hearing the loud sound when the auto-lock is released. Of course she would find that odd...!!" "Allow me to speak. Let it be said that Natsuhi did not hear the sound of the door opening while in the room."The washroom and toilet are very close to the door. Even if they hadn't been, that auto-lock always lets off such a massive sound. She'd be able to hear that sound no matter what. Now that Natsuhi had spoken with Erika and the others about the details of the previous night, she had made it quite clear that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred. The argument that Natsuhi would have failed to hear the lock would not work...! "Please, allow me to speak once more. Kinzo entering or exiting through the door will not be permitted." "Let it be said that this is a useless struggle! It is foolish...!!" BGM: Dread of the Grave - More Fear (Remake) "...!"Turning his back to Gertrude, who claimed that leaving through the door was impossible, Battler locked his gaze on Cornelia, who stood in front of the window. "Make sure you hold that barrier of yours up tight. 'Cause you're gonna be... blasted away, got it?"By now, Battler's target was clear. It was Cornelia. And... it was the window. He was going... to smash this closed room from the window. Not expecting to be chosen as the target herself, Cornelia was overawed for just a second, but she quickly regained her composure. It was rare that a struggling, fleeing witch would directly challenge the barriers she set up. Furthermore, such witches were always fighting desperately on the brink of death! "Please, allow me to speak. You are Battler's target, Cornelia. I ask that you be on your guard." "Fool! God, have pity on this foolish lamb...!!" ...Starting from a low posture, both silent and supple, Battler ran forward like a white leopard.  "...Th, this guy... couldn't possibly mean to...!!" "...ah!! Th, this is... agh. A, allow me to speak...! There is no way to defeat my red! Know that your wish will not be granted...!!"Cornelia thrust out both her arms and made a sign. When she did, a red barrier closed in front of Battler. "Know that this is useless, Ushiromiya Battler...! Know that my window is sealed from the inside and Natsuhi did not let Kinzo escape...!!" "Aunt Natsuhi didn't let Grandfather escape. What if Grandfather snuck out, keeping it a secret from Aunt Natsuhi?!" "Wh, why would Kinzo go out the window on his own?!!!" "But this is the third floor, right?! It's impossible!!!" "Even you've jumped down a flight of stairs at least once in your life, right? Three stories is nothing for Kinzo...!" "I wouldn't put it past him." "Wouldn't put it past him." "Th, that's... r, ridiculous...!!!"Blue cracks appeared in Cornelia's red barrier, and it shattered with a crisp sound. It was all far too quick. It looked almost as though she'd gotten out of the way herself in fear of Battler.  "Cornelia-sama, you can't block it, retreat...!"At the same time the barrier shattered, the window behind Cornelia's back was flung open. The curtains fluttered for just an instant. Though it was all filled with rain, the heavens and the courtyard were spread out in front of them... A fitting exit for an eagle leaping from this closed room! "Cornelia, repair the BARRIER!!" "As you wish, Commander Dlanor! Kn, know that you will not be allowed to break this...!!"Cornelia quickly came back to her senses and set up another red barrier. However, this was the last one. "Please, allow me to speak...!! Then let us accept for the time being that Kinzo escaped through the window...! In that case, how did he lock a window which cannot be locked from the outside?! The window was locked from the inside!!"  Kinzo and Battler grinned! She thought this feeble red could block the charge of Battler and Kinzo, the two family heads? "After Grandfather jumped out the window, Aunt Natsuhi probably noticed a slight draft. She then approached the window, realized that it was wide open, and quickly closed and locked it...!!" "Natsuhi probably couldn't even imagine that I had slipped out the window!" "Yeah!! So it's only natural that Aunt Natsuhi thought Kinzo was sleeping in bed!!"Now that Battler had found the answer, the red barrier was more fragile than thin glass. The red magical wall of certainty had been smashed again, so easily that it disgraced the name of certainty itself! Unbelievable, right? That barrier was more firm than any Ronove had ever used against Jessica. And yet it had been... destroyed so easily...! Though Battler was rushing fiercely and had almost reached Cornelia, she didn't step aside. Her steel spirit, worthy of the name Eiserne Jungfrau, didn't allow her to step aside. She took a charm from her pocket, placed it against the thin air, and made a sign. Then, not red, but blue burned there. Though it was far more frail than the red barrier, it was her last method of resistance.  "Just quit your whining and watch!!!"  BGM: Hello Your DreamHe burst through Cornelia and her blue barrier, knocked them away, and his body flew out the window through the darkness of the rainy sky. The fragments of the blue barrier scattered, coloring the air beautifully. The closed room... had been smashed open...!! Battler... flew out of the mansion. He was in the sky above the rainy courtyard. All of the raindrops became small round gems and were scattered through the air. Battler flew through the treasure box world of the beautiful stormy sky, through the countless gems of rain that filled it.  If Battler, who had smashed and flown out the window, was like a knight leaping off a white horse, then Dlanor, who floated in the air waiting for him, was also a knight. In the air above the courtyard surrounded by the Ushiromiya mansion and frozen in time, the true new head of the Ushiromiya family and the disciple of heaven who would test him crossed paths...  "...Well DONE. When you fall into the courtyard, whether you live or die, it won't change the fact that Kinzo could have defeated this closed ROOM...!! You who have thrown away your life and jumped are a MARTYR...!! Well done, you have smashed our closed room BARRIER. Splendid, Ushiromiya Battler!!" "However, I am the Head Inquisitor of Heresy, Dlanor A. Knox!! I cannot allow you to escape out from under my NOSE...! Now, at the end, allow me the honor of crossing swords with YOU!!" "Sure, bring it on. This game is surprisingly unrelenting."In this world where the gems of rain... fell slowly like large snowflakes on a snowy field. Dlanor and Battler slowly... crossed paths. It seemed slow. And yet, it happened in a flash. Their gazes crossed and clashed like lightning. Knight confronted knight head on, and it would all be decided in a single strike...!  "Was it shown beforehand that a blind spot existed within the study for Natsuhi? If it wasn't shown, this theory will not be permitted. Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not PRESENTED...!!"Dlanor's double strike with both the blue and red blades reached out to slice Battler... and missed. Those longswords, which had never lost in a hundred battles, cut through the empty air... "When we entered the study, its structure was clearly referred to. Too bad for you."For the first time, Dlanor showed an expression. It was a sudden smile. She had known since long ago that the study's structure had been referred to. But she couldn't let him escape without making a single strike. As an Inquisitor of Heresy, she could not do that. So though she had known that she wouldn't make it, she had still crossed swords with Battler. "Yes, I KNEW. That answer of yours doesn't violate Knox's 8th." "...Here it comes. Don't regret it." "Yes, COME."In Battler's hand... was a blade that shone red. That blade etched out the red truth...   That has already been shown. And it suggests that there might have been a blind spot somewhere within the room... Without any mercy, no, without any reluctance that would have been dishonorable, the sword of red truth cut into Dlanor. It cut a beautiful hemisphere through the countless gems of rain that filled the sky...  "Well... DONE..." "..."Time... exploded into life. Both of them... fell through the courtyard. One drifted down. The other tumbled through the air. Then, there was a soft sound and a dull thud. The first was the sound of Battler landing gently in the courtyard. The second was the sound of Dlanor crashing down. After crouching down for a while, Battler slowly stood up. Though he had jumped down from the third floor, he had landed as lightly as though he had merely jumped over a fence...  Beato leaned out of the study window, looking to see if the supposedly wingless Battler had landed safely. "Beato!! Come on, jump!!" "Huh...?!" "That window is our way out! So jump!! You aren't the kind of witch who can be locked up inside a closed room, right?!!"The study was no longer a closed room. She could jump from here, escape from here...! By now, the closed room which had threatened to capture the witch and suffocate her had been destroyed.  "Y, yes...!! Y, you too, Kinzo...!" "Go. From the moment Battler showed his answer, my spirit had already escaped from this room."Kinzo's form became a group of gold butterflies and disappeared. The closed room barrier had dissolved, and the power which denies magic had scattered. Beato ran towards the window. That was the only exit from the closed room of this witch hunt. After glancing at the subordinates of the Inquisitor of Heresy and the Chiester Sisters, she readied her wound-covered body and ran towards the window, just like Battler had done. She looked like Cinderella running as she heard the bell toll.  Erika flew at Beato, trying to latch on as Beato dashed, but it was like trying to catch smoke, and she landed face first on the floor. There's no way a human can catch a witch. For one such as her, without love, even touching Beato was impossible...! "Chiester Corps, shoot the witch! Shoot her dead!!" "Alignment conflict. Unable to fire." "Allow me to speak. I have no barrier prepared which can block Battler's blue truth."Both Chiester 00 and Gertrude spoke with unbelievably calm voices.   Erika crouched, screaming and clutching at her head. "The great Golden Witch isn't gonna be defeated by something like that geezer's grubby study!! It's still just the first twilight! I'll teach these newcomers that your game isn't that easy!!"Just like Battler, Beato also... jumped.  ...Battler caught her with both arms as though catching an angel's wings. It was like a knight catching a princess who had been locked up in a tower, like a beautiful picture of a scene in some fairy tale... "...Crap, I think I'm in love. Are all the Ushiromiya family heads guys like this?" "If you were to write down the unprecedented feats of Ushiromiya Kinzo, you would probably have an uproarious tale longer than all the grimoires in the study put together. It seems the tale of the next head will be worth writing down as well." "In fact, it already is being written. It's already a very, very long tale. Pu ku ku ku."The demons giggled on top of the roof, holding umbrellas. Then, they quietly looked down over the two in the courtyard.  "Hah, hahhahhahahahahahaha... You're... not bad at all..." "I guess all your games've toughened me up."In shock, Beato... actually praised Battler as he held her in his arms. Battler laughed in his usual carefree way...  Erika looked down from the window and clenched her teeth, still clutching at her head. Still holding Beato in his arms, Battler grinned back.  "Erika." "...Wh, what is it...?"  "Y, yes...! My riddle is... yo... yo..." "Yo?"When Battler laughed evilly, Beato's face turned uncharacteristically red, but even so, she spoke while laughing loudly. "My riddle is... yo... yours... yours alone...!! Ushiromiya Battler! I won't let anyone else solve it...!!" "Heheh, listen to her, saying something like that...!!"Battler snorted, amused that Beato had said something so unlike her. And, still holding Beato in his arms, he spun around in a kind of waltz. The falling gems of rain celebrated their overcoming of this trial...  If Battler had at least been seriously injured and writhing in the mud, Erika might still have had some ground to stand on. She might have been able to claim that Kinzo couldn't have jumped down with his old body and gotten away unscathed. However, Battler stood calmly in the courtyard, looking up at Erika with the dignity of the victor.   Erika tried to get everyone's agreement and somehow turn things around, but their responses were no different from how they had been a short while ago.   "I wouldn't put it past Father." "This is Father we're talking about..." "There're plenty of crazy stories about that man. Somethin' like this wouldn't surprise me at all." "Wh, what...?!! I, is there something wrong in your heads, in your minds, people?!?!" "At any rate, it looks like your closed room argument wasn't perfect." Not only the servants, but the family members also agreed. They all agreed that there was nothing strange about Kinzo jumping down from a third floor window. J, just who in the world... is this Ushiromiya Kinzo person...?!!  "Well, I'll give you 60 points... Kinzo would have done it with a bit more flash in his younger days. It needs some more tweaking." "Oh, and how much should it be tweaked?" "W, well... Umm, h, he might have jumped down with me in h, his arms!" "Got it. Next time, I'll jump down with you in my arms." "I, if you think you can, just try and do it..."Beato's voice grew very faint, and she gulped. Then, her body suddenly became a group of gold butterflies and crumbled away. It was because many people had rushed up to the window, and she was being bathed with gazes filled with the anti-magic toxin. Beato's body became invisible to them and melted into the air... So to their eyes, it appeared that Battler was standing all alone out in the courtyard...  "Battleeeeeeeeer!! You okaaaaaaaaay?!!" "I, it looks like he's alright...! Thank goodness!" There was no pain in Dlanor's expression. Pleasure and pain never showed up on her face in the first place. However, she used her longsword as a crutch as she painfully rose to her feet, so it was easy to tell that she had taken heavy damage. And despite her lack of an expression, you could tell that this was a loss she could accept. Battler and Dlanor turned to face each other. "Here I go." "Yes, COME."As though readying herself, Dlanor quietly closed her eyes, but she still stood tall and maintained her air of dignity. "This is my blue truth."The blue power gathered. Battler slowly approached Dlanor. Then, he faced the rainy sky and yelled out the blue truth.   The blue wedge flashed through the courtyard along with a blue bolt of lightning, and roared down towards Dlanor's forehead as she stared up at the sky. "...ah." "...Beato's game isn't easy. It's even doubtful whether the fallbacks of the mystery genre even work here. Your swordsmanship isn't bad, but you should be a bit more flexible in your thinking."...A massive blue wedge which looked like a pillar... was above Dlanor's forehead... and had stopped with its tip just slightly touching her. It didn't run her through. It made no mark larger than being poked with a pencil. When Battler snapped his fingers, the blue wedge shattered and became a shower of translucent gems, no, drops of rain that poured down over the courtyard. Dlanor sat down in an absent sort of way... Amidst the thunder and rain, the successor to the Ushiromiya family faced the people staring down from the study and... spread his arms wide...    "<Good>, truly <good>...!! Ahhahhahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha...!! I'll chew it to bits, this riddle of the witch...!! All the way deep into its guts while it's still alive!! Ahhahhahhahha hhahahahahehyahhahahahha!!"Battler and Beato both looked calmly up at Erika, who couldn't contain that evil laugh...  BGM: About Face "G... gah... L, Lady Bernkastel... M, my apolo... gies..." "That face of yours. It's so incredibly laughable that I'd like to smash it and put a frame around it." "*giggle*giggle*giggle*giggle*, my double is so... pathetic, pathetic, lame, lame, heheheheheheheehehehehihhhihihihihihhihahahyhahahahahahaha!!"Bathed in the sneers of Bernkastel, the being who was like a mother to her, Erika was so ashamed that it looked as though she'd chew her lower lip to pieces...    
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So, what do you think everyone?
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AfroSquirrel posted:So, what do you think everyone? BeatoXBato OTP? That's my main take-away.
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AfroSquirrel posted:So, what do you think everyone? I really wouldn't put anything past Kinzo. At all. Ever.
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To add to this, I mean, it's not a convincing theory. "He jumped out the window, Natsuhi didn't notice, then closed it" is hardly believable, but it's possible and there's nothing that be used to argue against it. And that seems to be how magic works in Umineko. It's not real, but you can argue it in the gaps as a defence. Magic has almost been reduced to linguistic ambiguity at this point. Especially, as we know in red that Kinzo's already dead. It's just playing with English (Japanese) language. I mean, I enjoy that. Finding bizarre solutions that dodge every bit of red text has been half the fun of these threads, but having had magic reduced to where it is now, "mystery" has basically already won. Raising Knox's decalogue to the level of red text is almost the same as saying in red that the murders were not done by magic.
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I can't believe we're rooting for the witch who tortured us for so long. I guess "The enemy of my enemy" applies here. Also they make a cute couple 
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I retract my statement about wanting to punch Dlanor in the face.
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savixeon posted:I retract my statement about wanting to punch Dlanor in the face. As well you SHOULD. 
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savixeon posted:I retract my statement about wanting to punch Dlanor in the face.
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