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aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

BiggerBoat posted:

I guess the official talking point for the Russia/Leaks thing is "Susan Rice Strikes Again". Hannity has been pounding this angle and I'm beginning to hear it parroted. Believe it or not, Hannity infers that "unmasking" is illegal (it's not). I can't believe he'd be intellectually dishonest like that.

Woah, did you just say "Sean Hannity" and "intellectually dishonest" in the same sentence? :aaaaa:

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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Angie's List: A service for sexual predators.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/undefined/status/849969558987440128

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

BiggerBoat posted:

I guess the official talking point for the Russia/Leaks thing is "Susan Rice Strikes Again". Hannity has been pounding this angle and I'm beginning to hear it parroted. Believe it or not, Hannity infers that "unmasking" is illegal (it's not). I can't believe he'd be intellectually dishonest like that.

Like I said, Glenn Beck on his show the other day was going off about how Susan Rice lied about Benghazi, therefore she's obviously lying again.

He also had Pat go to the chalkboard and give a grammar lesson about double negatives and how saying "leaked nothing to nobody" means she leaked everything to everybody.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene
When I lived in Indianapolis there were . . . rumors about Angie Hicks. I can't say how much of that was just good old fashioned midwestern homophobia but that's what it was always dismissed as. Maybe she just sees a kindred spirit.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Shbobdb posted:

When I lived in Indianapolis there were . . . rumors about Angie Hicks. I can't say how much of that was just good old fashioned midwestern homophobia but that's what it was always dismissed as. Maybe she just sees a kindred spirit.

What kind of rumors?

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

AsInHowe posted:

What kind of rumors?

She's real handsy.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Twelve by Pies posted:

Like I said, Glenn Beck on his show the other day was going off about how Susan Rice lied about Benghazi, therefore she's obviously lying again.

He also had Pat go to the chalkboard and give a grammar lesson about double negatives and how saying "leaked nothing to nobody" means she leaked everything to everybody.

There's very few shows that I want to be on just to rip them a new one. but drat Beck is one of them. especially Stu using statistics to prove global warming is fake. Actually I'd like to be on Hannity and Riley too, but just so I can piss them off enough that they try to fight me on air.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

Master Shake posted:

On Wednesday’s Mark Levin show, What if President Donald Trump wasn’t the first or the only target of an Obama White House surveillance directed at political opponents? 5 weeks ago, we decided that the issue here is the Obama administration’s surveillance activities and the politicization of surveillance. The spying was real and was not done in an effort to keep the country safe from threats but to fight domestic political opponents. Israel and Russia were just used to go after the real targets here at home including Jewish groups, and congressman. This whole Democrat and media ruse has been used to conduct domestic surveillance. After that, Fred Fleitz, former CIA analyst and Tony Shaffer, former CIA cyber and information operations both call in to discuss allegations of domestic surveillance for political purposes by the Obama administration. Devin Nunes has apparently found the goods that Susan Rice allegedly was using incidental intelligence collections to target the Trump transition team. During her interview with MSNBC, Rice talked about this information being shared not only with her but other officials. Also, she mentioned how the data collection was consolidated which means that Obama must have known about it. All roads lead back to the NSA. Later, the progressives seize more and more power and turn people into a controllable mob. In 1913 under Republicans and with support of Democrats, the Federal Income Tax and the 17th Amendment which proposed the direct election of Senators, were passed. With direct election of senators, senators don’t appeal to the states and do not care what they say. The states have no say in the federal legislature or government anymore. The leftists and Chuck Schumer are a creation of the 17th Amendment. You have a mixture of the mobocracy and autocracy. Schumer and the left are trying to prevent a highly qualified individual, Neil Gorsuch, from sitting on the Supreme Court, because they want to advance their agenda. What is going on in the U.S. Senate is the war between Americanism and Progressivism.

goddamn it Mark have you heard of paragraphs?

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Radish posted:

Angie's List always came off to me like the "safe" (i.e appeals totally to white suburbanites) version of Yelp like Eharmony compared to Match.com and okcupid. I have no idea if that's actually true but it's how their commercials came off. The fact that they are pulling the "we are staying nonpolitical" bullshit in a situation like this is pretty much saying the crimes don't matter and they don't mind their brand being associated with a sexual predator as long as they reach a market so maybe my feeling was correct.

i thought that was the point- to make sure the guy doing pickup jobs in your house isn't black or latino

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Boy howdy there are some seriously strong conspiracy theories going on about Syria today.

Scottbert posted:

According to the mainstream media – that has been wrong about almost everything for a solid 18 months in a row – the Syrian government allegedly bombed its own people with a nerve agent.

The reason the Assad government would bomb its own people with a nerve agent right now is obvious. Syrian President Assad – who has been fighting for his life for several years, and is only lately feeling safer – suddenly decided to commit suicide-by-Trump. Because the best way to make that happen is to commit a war crime against your own people in exactly the way that would force President Trump to respond or else suffer humiliation at the hands of the mainstream media.

And how about those pictures coming in about the tragedy. Lots of visual imagery. Dead babies. It is almost as if someone designed this “tragedy” to be camera-ready for President Trump’s consumption. It pushed every one of his buttons. Hard. And right when things in Syria were heading in a positive direction.

Interesting timing.

- Super-powerful visual persuasion designed for Trump in particular.
- Suspiciously well-documented event for a place with no real press.
- No motive for Assad to use gas to kill a few dozen people at the cost of his entire regime. It wouldn’t be a popular move with Putin either.
- The type of attack no U.S. president can ignore and come away intact.
- A setup that looks suspiciously similar to the false WMD stories that sparked the Iraq war.

I’m going to call bullshit on the gas attack. It’s too “on-the-nose,” as Hollywood script-writers sometimes say, meaning a little too perfect to be natural. This has the look of a manufactured event.

My guess is that President Trump knows this smells fishy, but he has to talk tough anyway. However, keep in mind that he has made a brand out of not discussing military options. He likes to keep people guessing. He reminded us of that again yesterday, in case we forgot.

So how does a Master Persuader respond to a fake war crime?

He does it with a fake response, if he’s smart.


Watch now as the world tries to guess where Trump is moving military assets, and what he might do to respond. The longer he drags things out, the less power the story will have on the public. We’ll be wondering for weeks when those bombs will start hitting Damascus, and Trump will continue to remind us that he doesn’t talk about military options.

Then he waits for something bad to happen to Assad’s family, or his generals, in the normal course of chaos over there. When that happens on its own, the media will wonder if it was Trump sending a strong message to Assad in a measured way. Confirmation bias will do the rest.

There is also a non-zero chance that Putin just asked Assad to frame one of his less-effective Syrian generals for going rogue with chemical weapons, and executing him just to calm things down.

I don’t think we’ll ever know what’s going on over there. But I think we can rule out the idea that Assad decided to commit suicide-by-Trump.

Trump's playing 5D chess! He knows the gas attack is a false flag that wasn't done by Assad, but he's pretending to not know that to hide his true strategy!

The comment section on that blog post is...hoo boy. It's something alright. It's kind of frightening honestly.

Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

It's good to be skeptical about the MSM's narrative on things, especially ones involving war propaganda. Sadly, opposing war makes us Putin bots and Alex Jones-levels of crazy now.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Alienwarehouse posted:

It's good to be skeptical about the MSM's narrative on things, especially ones involving war propaganda. Sadly, opposing war makes us Putin bots and Alex Jones-levels of crazy now.

Shbobdb posted:

But it was televised. We all saw the building up the Iraq war and what a poo poo-show that was. We're experiencing a similar thing in Syria right now. Originally it was "Assad delenda est" and while that never caught enough steam for a boots-on-the-ground invasion, we did fund a bunch of military groups to take him out and establish their own presence in Syria (similar to how we used the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan). Now Assad is close to an ally while the powers-that-be say, "ISIS delenda est". Either way, they get their boots-on-the-ground invasion of Syria. The rest is just theater.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
I actually hadn't checked on our favorite talking milkshake in a few days but he's been beating the Obama wiretapping thing really hard, is insisting Flynn did nothing wrong, and the past three days has been working the Susan Rice story, and yet also from last Thursday,

Master Shake posted:

On Thursday’s Mark Levin show, it appears that President Trump considers conservatives to be the deplorables. Millions and millions of conservatives have embraced the principles of federalism, limited government and the Constitution long before Trump became president. If Trump takes conservatives for granted he does so at his own risk, and if he embraces Paul Ryan and the RINOs then he will fail. If Trump tries to wipe out conservatives in the primary, we will not only defend them, but we will try and wipe out the liberal and more moderate elements in the Republican Party. The President sounds like Richard Nixon, and every other moderate, establishment Republican who has ever walked the Earth hating conservatives. Freedom caucus members, Rep Dave Brat and Thomas Massie call in to defend themselves against Trump. Later, Evelyn Farkas is denying her involvement in gathering information on the Trump staff and the Russians. Apparently, any claim that she was involved is fake news and the Russians are behind it. If that is true, then the Russians are behind MSNBC and Morning Joe, whose show she originally spoke about this.

(in reference to Trump lashing out at the Tortilla Coast Pirates)

It seems that Levin is simultaneously building the Trump = RINO story while also continuing to harp on the "wiretapping scandal" as a means to undermine Obama. Levin has been one of the most intense Trump-apologists from the beginning so if Trump loses both him and Breitbart, he's going to lose a massive chunk of his base. :getin:

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

quote:

Schumer and the left are trying to prevent a highly qualified individual, Neil Gorsuch, from sitting on the Supreme Court, because they want to advance their agenda.

:ironicat:

Seriously, they don't see it?

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
Of course they see it. They still have to say it.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
Well, now that we fired Tomahawks into Syria, how long till we get "we must unite behind the president in a time of crisis" from the usual crowd?

Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Apr 7, 2017

Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

Nucleic Acids posted:

Well, now that we fired Tomahawks into Syria, how long till we the "we must unite behind the president in a time of crisis" from the usual crowd?

This time it will be CNN and the Washington Post.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
It seems like it could be a great chance for the Fox crowd to try and distract from the Russia link.

Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Apr 7, 2017

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Nucleic Acids posted:

Well, now that we fired Tomahawks into Syria, how long till we get "we must unite behind the president in a time of crisis" from the usual crowd?

30 minutes ago

Davethulhu
Aug 12, 2003

Morbid Hound
Just wanted to repeat this amazing prediction:

quote:

Watch now as the world tries to guess where Trump is moving military assets, and what he might do to respond. The longer he drags things out, the less power the story will have on the public. We’ll be wondering for weeks when those bombs will start hitting Damascus, and Trump will continue to remind us that he doesn’t talk about military options.

Then he waits for something bad to happen to Assad’s family, or his generals, in the normal course of chaos over there. When that happens on its own, the media will wonder if it was Trump sending a strong message to Assad in a measured way. Confirmation bias will do the rest.

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax
I hope Dilbertman gets an aneurism from it all.

Pander
Oct 9, 2007

Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.



TildeATH posted:

I hope Dilbertman gets an aneurism from it all.

It turns out that not treating the gas attack as a fake was actually a MORE masterful persuasion technique, by God Trump is infallible!

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

Pander posted:

It turns out that not treating the gas attack as a fake was actually a MORE masterful persuasion technique, by God Trump is infallible!

I saw his tweets. It's almost like he's making it up as he goes. But that would be dishonest...

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
A lot of people on that blog post are calling Scott out on his claim that Trump would give a "fake response" and not fall for the "trick." But if he even acknowledges it in his blog again, he'll just say that he was right, bcause the missile strike shows that Trump isn't afraid to use force but also his response is "measured" because Trump didn't launch even more or declare war on Syria.

Also he will definitely go "Hmmm Putin and Assad are allies but liberals and the MSM said that Trump was a Russian puppet now watch their cognitive dissonance from claiming he's in bed with Russia while attacking a Russian ally."

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Amazon Prime has a documentary about boomer brainwashing called, "The Brainwashing of My Dad."

Posting because it hits uncomfortably close to home.

It's a quick overview of the rise of conservative media grounded in a human-interest angle.

The ending's nice. The documentarian's father eases up.

Accretionist fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Apr 7, 2017

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

GutBomb posted:

Of course they see it. They still have to say it.

It's like, they completely blocked Garland from having a hearing, called themselves the party of "No!" for the first four years of Obama's Presidency and now complain that Democrats FORCED them to remove the 60 vote rule by being obstructive. Jaysus! What hypocrisy!

But right wing voters don't see the dissonance in it all. They're winning, which is all that matters.

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

anonumos posted:

It's like, they completely blocked Garland from having a hearing, called themselves the party of "No!" for the first four years of Obama's Presidency and now complain that Democrats FORCED them to remove the 60 vote rule by being obstructive. Jaysus! What hypocrisy!

But right wing voters don't see the dissonance in it all. They're winning, which is all that matters.

The best part is that the Democrats will still try to placate and act bipartisan while the republicans continue to take their lunch over and over until we have a capitalist theocracy. There are no rules any more, America is defunct, and we need to never forget who it was that caused this (hint: rich white baby boomers).

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

Twelve by Pies posted:

Also he will definitely go "Hmmm Putin and Assad are allies but liberals and the MSM said that Trump was a Russian puppet now watch their cognitive dissonance from claiming he's in bed with Russia while attacking a Russian ally."
Ignoring that they were clearly warned in advance.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

First the internet provider bill and now Syria bombing, Trump is losing his strongest supporters

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/850312994559021057

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/850305201068224513?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
Ok sure, I totally expect the guy from infowars to be ideologically consistent.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Scott Adams, yesterday.

quote:

Watch now as the world tries to guess where Trump is moving military assets, and what he might do to respond. The longer he drags things out, the less power the story will have on the public. We’ll be wondering for weeks when those bombs will start hitting Damascus, and Trump will continue to remind us that he doesn’t talk about military options.

Scott Adams, today.

quote:

If Trump does nothing, he appears weak, and it invites mischief from other countries. But if he launches 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian military air base base within a few days, which he did, the U.S. gets several benefits at low cost

Yesterday he said that Trump doing nothing would be a brilliant Master Persuader move. Today, he said that Trump doing nothing would make him look weak and powerless. Dude has his head so far up Trump's rear end that he does a complete 180 on his opinion in 24 hours because of Trump's actions.

Anyway here's the whole thing about how Trump doing this is the best thing ever! Oh yeah, and I was completely right in my prediction, though it was the most obvious thing in the world.

Dullbort posted:

As I blogged yesterday, the claim that Assad ordered a chemical attack on his own people in the past week doesn’t pass my sniff test. For Assad to order a gas attack now – while his side is finally winning – he would have to be willing to risk his life and his regime for no real military advantage. I’m not buying that.

But let’s say the world believes Assad or a rogue general under his command gassed his own people. What’s an American President to do? If Trump does nothing, he appears weak, and it invites mischief from other countries. But if he launches 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian military air base base within a few days, which he did, the U.S. gets several benefits at low cost:

1. President Trump just solved for the allegation that he is Putin’s puppet. He doesn’t look like Putin’s puppet today. And that was Trump’s biggest problem, which made it America’s problem too. No one wants a president who is under a cloud of suspicion about Russian influence.

2. President Trump solved (partly) for the allegation that he is incompetent. You can hate this military action, but even Trump’s critics will call it measured and rational. Like it or not, President Trump’s credibility is likely to rise because of this, if not his popularity. Successful military action does that for presidents.

3. President Trump just set the table for his conversations with China about North Korea. Does China doubt Trump will take care of the problem in China’s own backyard if they don’t take care of it themselves? That negotiation just got easier.

4. Iran might be feeling a bit more flexible when it’s time to talk about their nuclear program.

5. Trump’s plan of a Syrian Safe Zone requires dominating the Syrian Air Force for security. That just got easier.

6. After ISIS is sufficiently beaten-back, the Syrian government will need to negotiate with the remaining entities in Syria to form a lasting peace of some sort that keeps would-be refugees in place. Syria’s government just got more flexible. It probably wants to keep the rest of its military.

7. Israel is safer whenever an adversary’s air power is degraded.

On the risk side of the equation, we have the possibility of getting into war with Russia. I’d put those odds at roughly zero in this case because obviously the U.S. warned Russia about the attack. That means we knew their reaction before we attacked. And it was a measured response of the type Putin probably respects. I expect Russia to complain a lot but continue to partner with the U.S. against ISIS.

If it turns out that the sarin gas attack that sparked this military action didn’t come from Assad, it doesn’t much matter. President Trump will bank all of the benefits above even if the attack turns out to be a hoax. We know Assad had some chemical weapons at one point, and probably used them. No one will be crying for Assad if the attack was unnecessary. And realistically, the public will never be 100% sure who was behind the attack.

I doubt this is the first step in a larger plan for war to depose Assad. But if Assad thinks it might be, we have a stronger position over there.

I’m not pro-war, so this military action alarms me the same way it alarms most people. But objectively speaking, the risk-reward ratio for this attack on Syria’s air field was exceptionally good. You rarely see so many benefits arise from one limited military action.

I thought President Trump would hold off on military action in the service of regime change. That still seems to be the case. But once our intelligence services traced the plane that allegedly dropped the gas back to a specific air base, it opened the option that Trump took. I didn’t realize that our military knows what every aircraft in Syria is doing at all times. That’s impressive, bordering on hard-to-believe.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Somebody post it when any of the RWM pundits explains how Trump is totally right for doing this even though in 2013 he tweeted these:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/trumps-past-comments-on-syria-urged-the-us-not-to-attack.html

Ah, poo poo, who am I kidding? They'll never even mention it

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

Mark Levin posted:

On Thursday’s Mark Levin show, President Trump is considering taking action against Bashar al-Assad in Syria for his crimes against humanity. We are taking a much more aggressive posture towards Syria, Iran and North Korea now. Trump is not doing this because he is a neoconservative, but because our enemies are on the move. How can it be said at this point that Trump is a patsy for Putin? Trump in his first 100 days of his presidency, is doing more to challenge Russia than Barack Obama.

After that, some left wing groups filed a bogus claim against Devin Nunes and now he has recused himself from investigating alleged Trump and Russia collusion. However, Nunes is still in charge of investigating the Obama administration spying on the Trump world and misuses of intelligence. The liberals don’t want to get to the bottom of what the Obama administration did. That is why their cronies filed ethics complaints against Nunes. We would not know as much as we do about the Obama administration practices if not for Nunes.

Later, Gary Cohn, Jared Kushner, and Dina Powell are senior advisors, part of the liberal cabal trying to drive a liberal agenda in the Trump administration. They are tightening their grip on the White House. There is not a constitutional conservative in the place in terms of policy and senior staff. This is extremely troubling as Trump is not a conservative so he ought to hear from one. Finally, Chuck Schumer and his ilk want to control the judiciary. They don’t care if they support the filibuster one day and then oppose it the next. Their goal is the complete and utter evisceration of this society. They won’t let the Constitution and the Declaration get in their way.

(((liberal cabal)))

:yum:

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
To the surprise of nobody, Hannity is defending Trump with all his might, saying Assad used chemical weapons (and this proves Kerry and Obama lied when they said they removed all the WMDs) and Trump is right to attack them. When a lot of other Trump supporters are feeling disillusioned and upset, and some even think Trump has fallen prey to the "Deep State" and that this was a false flag, you can always count on Hannity to say that whatever Trump has done is 100% correct and good.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Twelve by Pies posted:

To the surprise of nobody, Hannity is defending Trump with all his might, saying Assad used chemical weapons (and this proves Kerry and Obama lied when they said they removed all the WMDs) and Trump is right to attack them. When a lot of other Trump supporters are feeling disillusioned and upset, and some even think Trump has fallen prey to the "Deep State" and that this was a false flag, you can always count on Hannity to say that whatever Trump has done is 100% correct and good.

So, when is Hannity going through with the surgery to have Trump's rear end attached to his mouth so he can more easily regurgitate Trump's bullshit?

ZDar Fan
Oct 15, 2012

This is allegedly real. I'm skeptical, though I want to believe



Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/undefined/status/850469436666634241

https://twitter.com/undefined/status/850469123469475842

Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

Sir Tonk posted:

Ok sure, I totally expect the guy from infowars to be ideologically consistent.

Tbf being anti-war has been the only consistent position infowars ever had.

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Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017


Dana Loesch is jealous of Tomi Lahren's success and looks, and anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

That said, I hope TheBlaze and Tomi both go bankrupt.

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