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monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Devian666 posted:

Did I read the quitclaim one correctly? It appears that he sold the property for 27,000 payments of $10 and she missed the first month's payment. Isn't that 2250 years until it's paid for? I'm assuming it was set up to be easily mistaken for 10 payments of $27k.

He was going to prison and may have been trying to shield assets or something.

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Jesus Christ
Jun 1, 2000

mods if you can make this my avatar I will gladly pay 10bux to the coffers
I've recently cut some costs by sharing my girlfriends toothbrush. I normally use just the lovely $1 off-brand types that you end up dropping in the toilet all the time but she's got a nice ultrasonic one and man, it cleans teeth great!

I haven't told her that I use her toothbrush though. I usually run the shower while I brush so she can't hear it, and that serves double purpose because free water and soap/shampoo!

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Jesus Christ posted:

I've recently cut some costs by sharing my girlfriends toothbrush. I normally use just the lovely $1 off-brand types that you end up dropping in the toilet all the time but she's got a nice ultrasonic one and man, it cleans teeth great!

I haven't told her that I use her toothbrush though. I usually run the shower while I brush so she can't hear it, and that serves double purpose because free water and soap/shampoo!

Running the shower to cover up a vibrating sound is a good idea, she'll never find out

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

the solution to affordable housing is not easy and cannot be left up to the market (because the market doesn't optimize for what's best, just what's most profitable) but in California, proposition 13 probably has something to do with it. Beyond that I throw up my hands, leave it to the experts on the Left, and wait impatiently for my fully automated luxury government commune.

Prop 13 hate is entirely rational. It preverts property taxation and ia horrible misallocation of tax burdens.

sparkmaster
Apr 1, 2010
Seems like the solution would be to nationalize all housing and assign properties based on need with rent based on ability to pay.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
BWM: Paying $10 for access to a forum so you can backhandedly gloat about your high income for 4 pages instead of posting BWM content.

Droo
Jun 25, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

BWM: Paying $10 for access to a forum so you can backhandedly gloat about your high income for 4 pages instead of posting BWM content.

No loving kidding

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

BWM: Paying $10 for access to a forum so you can backhandedly gloat about your high income for 4 pages instead of posting BWM content.

Droo posted:

No loving kidding

:agreed:

H110Hawk posted:

What about fancy birds? We bought this $2k pet then had to get rid of him a few years later:



pig slut lisa posted:

this is the derail bird. i'm going to post him and his judgey face whenever a derail gets bad.

please heed the derail bird.

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



sparkmaster posted:

Seems like the solution would be to nationalize all housing and assign properties based on need with rent based on ability to pay.

Or a Georgist land tax encouraging the development of land to its highest and best use instead of advantaging historical uses amd tenure.

Staryberry
Oct 16, 2009


Happy Easter. Let's get back on topic.

John Smith
Feb 26, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Academician Nomad posted:

A claim that "many liberals deny economics" is absurd. As a historian of science, I also rankle at the idea of a "ranking" of sciences, though some are more useful for particular things than others. Climate science is also pretty damned solid and well-founded over the course of many decades of data gathering and analysis by large numbers of teams of people making accurate predictions. ... We can maybe all agree though that cities should place ordinances that require developers to build more affordable housing in meaningful quantities as a precondition of making more luxury units?
Lol. You were the one who brought up the relative merits of the sciences. And no, climate science is certainly not very high ranking. We should believe in its current results, but with far less certainty than for traditional non-string theory physics.

Certainly not, I do not agree. Let the free market run. The notion that freely adding 80 million units of housing (of the luxury and price as determined by the free market) to the SF area will have no positive impact on the housing crisis is pretty silly.



ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

PS if economics is a science then the field's refusal to give any time to alternative economic models when discussing the crises of capitalism is that field's version of climate change denial.
Says someone who literally did not make it past basic economics, if that. It is one thing to suggest that economists has been not fully successful at macroeconomics. It is quite another to suggest that the economists are unaware of this and doing literally nothing.



Edit: For content. My colleague quitted her job to go on a 8 months honeymoon for a trip of a lifetime. Now, she is back and the company apparently no longer has a position available for her. Local economy isn't doing that great right at this moment either. Jesus. How many people actually do this trip of a lifetime bullshit?

John Smith fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Apr 7, 2017

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

BWM: Paying $10 for access to a forum so you can backhandedly gloat about your high income for 4 pages instead of posting BWM content.

I assume this is a jab at me since I started it all. I have too much of a forum crush on you to even attempt a witty retort, so I'll just go back to lurking and keep my curiosities to myself.

Killstick
Jan 17, 2010

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

BWM: Paying $10 for access to a forum so you can backhandedly gloat about your high income for 4 pages instead of posting BWM content.

33% gross but don't despair, i recently fixed the situation by quitting my job which means i now use negative infinity of my paycheck on housing.

If i live on the street and don't have an income, do i then technically spend 0% to own the world? GWM

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

BWM: Paying $10 for access to a forum so you can backhandedly gloat about your high income for 4 pages instead of posting BWM content.

At this point, you've paid less than 0.3 cents per post for almost 5,000 posts. It's not even your 2 cents worth anymore! You've made great use of your $10 investment.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

PS if economics is a science then the field's refusal to give any time to alternative economic models when discussing the crises of capitalism is that field's version of climate change denial.

But like real science is only concerned with one dimension, man.

The problem with other economic models is that in practice they don't listen to economists. China has a Communist/Capitalist hybrid and cooks their books. Venezuela had a chief economist who said printing billions of extra bolivars didn't cause inflation.

There are plenty of economists who talk positively about quasi-Socialist policies in Europe. But that's still mostly capitalism because capitalism is largely a product of freedom. Anything with excessive government control isn't going to listen to scientists, economic or otherwise (see how Global Warming is approached in authoritarian regimes).

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
I am at 9% of gross for my half of rent, if you include my gf's salary our total rent is 14% of gross.


BWM I might have to pay double rent next month since we're moving.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
I've noticed that there are three things that lead young men to make terrible BWM decisions.

1) Drugs
2) Women
3) Unironic use of the word "hella"

This guy has them all.

*Notes: His primary "job" was drug dealing and his girlfriend that told him to stop was unemployed. So, she was good with morals, but probably BWM.

He also "never agreed on" the exact rent his roommate would pay and is too scared to talk to him, so he just lives there for free now.

quote:

[21yo] College Student, REALLY messed up BAD... Not sure what to do and need to vent/help

The Mistake

So I am 21 years old going into my last year of college (5 years double major) and I really goofed up bad
I made ~$87k USD last year (after taxes) but now I have $2109.12 in my checking account and $2,365.60 in CC debt and an outstanding $5118 in tuition, suffice to say I wasn't necessarily the greatest spender in the world

I no longer have the "job" that I had before, my girl convinced me to quit (i.e. said she'd leave me if I didn't quit)

Assets and Resources

Have a 24-month lease on my house ($895 a month + $1295 annual HOA fee) - my deadbeat roommate pays all the utilities and landscaping stuff but doesn't pay rent.
I paid 18-months of it upfront so I wont owe more rent until February of 2018
Drive a $15,000 car, paid off, got like 80k miles on it though but I got the extended warranty so I got another like 3000 miles on the warranty before I start feeling the burn from that
Own about 9 firearms worth about $7-8k that I am willing to sell off most of
Got a boat worth $3.5k (its listed for sale and hopefully selling it off soon)

Where did the money go you ask!

Paid for my mother to go to rehab back in February $18k, probably an investment tbh
Paid for my brother to get some lawyers for a BS charge $6k (he is paying me back $500 a month)
Went on vacation to hella places ($10k)
Y'all might like this one though
Paid off all of my student loans from my first 3 years so that was about $32k (Bumped my Credit Score up to 723)

So What the hell do I do now?

I have no money, got a lot of debt but not like a crushing amount and I am making like $400-500 net a week now being the asst. manager at a bar....
I really really messed up, I could have done so much more with this money and not have been worried now but I am young and REALLY stupid and now I have no idea what to do next I went from everything to exactly nothing.

As you may have noticed I don't really have a network of experienced people/adults to ask about this or vent to so I'm using this place if anyone has any anecdotes or advice for me that would be amazing... been browsing /r/eatcheapandhealthy and some other subs but need some advice from people who have some experience
Before you all comment it yes.. I am again fully aware I messed up and please save the hate

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/632kuy/21yo_college_student_really_messed_up_bad_not/

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I hope you're kidding and derail bird isn't actually homeless :ohdear:

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
That guy doesn't actually seem to be in too bad of shape assuming he can get his poo poo together with regard to spending. Like, he has vastly less debt than the average graduating senior, and while he has some CC debt, his expenses are near 0 because of his prepaid rent.

Assuming he can get his guns sold, he should be able to make it out of this with some cool stories and hopefully not too much long term damage done.

I wonder what his employment prospects are following the end of his degree?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

That guy doesn't actually seem to be in too bad of shape assuming he can get his poo poo together with regard to spending. Like, he has vastly less debt than the average graduating senior, and while he has some CC debt, his expenses are near 0 because of his prepaid rent.

Assuming he can get his guns sold, he should be able to make it out of this with some cool stories and hopefully not too much long term damage done.

I wonder what his employment prospects are following the end of his degree?

Yeah, if anything, the lesson of the story is that drug-dealing in college is GWM if you never get caught. He's be very screwed otherwise.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Yeah, if anything, the lesson of the story is that drug-dealing in college is GWM if you never get caught. He's be very screwed otherwise.

My roommate in college started dealing pot to pay his $400 underage drinking ticket

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal
A pox upon whoever it was that asked goons about their housing costs. Glad that inspired like 4 pages of people rushing to post about how amazing they are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/63x0jz/need_help_ripped_off_by_car_dealership/

quote:

So this was my first car purchase from a dealership. I found something for $13,100. I had a down payment of $4000, I also had a cosigner with excellent credit (800+) I agreed to the $13,100 with the sales rep, he then has to take it to the finance guy to get everything figured out. I wait nearly two hours to finally be rushed into a room with a man that says great I managed to get you a 5% interest rate and a bumper to bumper warranty! So I'm thinking awesome this is great, by now its closing time and he throws a stack of paperwork at me and makes me sign tons of papers probably 10+ and explains nothing. So in my mind I'm thinking the car was listed at 13,100 plus tax and fees probably 14,500 or something plus my down payment would knock it down to 10,500...well I get home and read the pile of paperwork, turns out I paid $3000 for that warranty plus $500 for GAP insurance plus $600 for wheel and tire protection, and I am now finacing $14,500! with a total cost of $18,500! I immediately called him back and asked him why the hell I paid all this extra no one told me about. He tells me well without it your interest rate would of been much higher I think he said 9% so he says he saved me money lowering my interest rate. He says this is due to banks being more willing to loan knowing their investment is protected. So I do some calculating and it just is not adding up. If I didn't buy all these warranties I should of only financed $10,500 maybe $11,000 at most and even with a 20% interest rate I would still pay way less than what I am paying now. So any advice on how to approach this he tells me he can switch it but it would make my payments go from $239/mo to $280/mo. Which doesn't make sense on a $10,500 loan with 9% interest for 6 years why I would pay $280 a month. Please any advice I am stuck here and don't have a clue what to do! Thanks!
Okay so it seems I will be able to cancel most if not all the warranties, So I call him back tomorrow and tell him to get rid of all this bullshit, he told me my payments would go up from 239 to 280 how is this possible?! or was he just blowing smoke up my rear end trying to get me to not cancel all the warranties?

BWM: Not reading what you're signing. It also seems likely that the co-signer was his wife's grandmother and he rushed through signing everything because he didn't want to keep her waiting. Woops.

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004
Best part of that one was they said something like "Well it would have taken me an hour to read it all, not the 15 minutes you said."

First reply: $5000 per hour is a pretty good wage.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

When I got my car MY GIRLFRIEND was with me and getting progressively sicker as the day went on cuz she had caught the flu but didn't start getting sick until we were already at the dealer. I still carefully read all the tons of documents and made sure I understood everything as fully as I could while she found a quiet place in the back to lay down and try not to throw up

I'm such a good guy :allears:

Staryberry
Oct 16, 2009

ate all the Oreos posted:

I hope you're kidding and derail bird isn't actually homeless :ohdear:

He isn't homeless but he doesn't live with us anymore. Over time, he became increasingly aggressive toward anyone who wasn't me. When I got pregnant, I knew that I wouldn't be able to give him enough attention while also needing to protect my newborn baby from his attacks. We found him a new home with a bird crazy lady who was so in love with her toucans, she was currently adding a sunroom to her home, just to have a nicer place for their cages. I get the occasional update from her. He's still a cantankerous little beast, but I think he is in a much happier place.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
haha that guy got loving turbo owned by every lame rear end car dealer trick in the book

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Am I wrong that he got screwed on that interest rate in addition to all the overselling? What is the average car loan rate now? My credit union only goes about 5% if you are buying a used car and your credit is under 550, and I am guessing they aren't the most competitive.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Ashcans posted:

Am I wrong that he got screwed on that interest rate in addition to all the overselling? What is the average car loan rate now? My credit union only goes about 5% if you are buying a used car and your credit is under 550, and I am guessing they aren't the most competitive.

If you've got good credit, you should never pay more than 2% on a car loan right now: https://www.penfed.org/Auto-Loans-Overview/#tabs-2

Manufacturers usually beat this with .9% offers, or you can take the cash rebate and just run with that 1.5% APR from penfed.

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
Worst loan you can get from my CU is 8% but the car's gotta be older than 2007 or have more than 115k miles.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Ashcans posted:

Am I wrong that he got screwed on that interest rate in addition to all the overselling? What is the average car loan rate now? My credit union only goes about 5% if you are buying a used car and your credit is under 550, and I am guessing they aren't the most competitive.

The interest rate is a bit higher than it should be (tough to tell without a lot more information, though), but keep in mind used auto loan rates go way, way up on anything older than five years.

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

haha that guy got loving turbo owned by every lame rear end car dealer trick in the book

I wonder what it was like in the dealership breakroom after that one. I'm not exactly in the corner of rear end in a top hat car dealerships by any means but I am definitely in the corner of tasty schadenfreude.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Barry posted:

A pox upon whoever it was that asked goons about their housing costs. Glad that inspired like 4 pages of people rushing to post about how amazing they are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/63x0jz/need_help_ripped_off_by_car_dealership/


BWM: Not reading what you're signing. It also seems likely that the co-signer was his wife's grandmother and he rushed through signing everything because he didn't want to keep her waiting. Woops.

Totes was me, I didn't realize what I was doing until it was already done.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I've noticed that there are three things that lead young men to make terrible BWM decisions.

1) Drugs
2) Women
3) Unironic use of the word "hella"

This guy has them all.

*Notes: His primary "job" was drug dealing and his girlfriend that told him to stop was unemployed. So, she was good with morals, but probably BWM.

He also "never agreed on" the exact rent his roommate would pay and is too scared to talk to him, so he just lives there for free now.


https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/632kuy/21yo_college_student_really_messed_up_bad_not/

Not the best material you've brought in. This is less BWM and more "naivety of poor but unavoidable life decisions." This person double majored, paid off major debt, narrowly avoided prison, and now they have poo poo that everyone deals with in life. Since they're no longer living as a criminal, but got a good taste of the rich benefits of criminality-- now they suddenly think they're poor and BWM.

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Barry posted:

I wonder what it was like in the dealership breakroom after that one. I'm not exactly in the corner of rear end in a top hat car dealerships by any means but I am definitely in the corner of tasty schadenfreude.

Probably the same maniacal laughing that occurs in the oval office behind closed doors.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
Yeah considering his rent is paid up for another ten months and he paid off 32k of student loans, I really thought he could have done worse.

Maybe stopping was BWM, but it probably will be good for life. The 10k vacations and 4k boat are silly but they were well within his means when he got them. Hard to call him dumb for helping out his family.

His worst thing is probably not telling his roommate to pay rent.

topenga
Jul 1, 2003

John Smith posted:

Edit: For content. My colleague quitted her job to go on a 8 months honeymoon for a trip of a lifetime. Now, she is back and the company apparently no longer has a position available for her. Local economy isn't doing that great right at this moment either. Jesus. How many people actually do this trip of a lifetime bullshit?

I poo poo you not, I have a colleague who worked for this company for 7 years. He quit a couple weeks ago to travel for a year. We were all "why don't you just take a sabbatical?" Nope. Just up and quit. Sold most of his stuff, is currently living in Virginia in a commune thing until his passport comes in so he can travel the world. I wish him only the best. I really thought this poo poo only happened in movies.

Goddamn young people.

John Smith
Feb 26, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

CmdrRiker posted:

Totes was me, I didn't realize what I was doing until it was already done.
I think I was cheated of my victory. Subjunctive, EAT FASTER!!!!!! and Fuzzy Mammal were the only posters who came in lower than me. But Subjunctive and EAT FASTER!!!!!! fully paid off their mortgages while Fuzzy Mammal had a long note. Thus, their payments were nowhere near their imputed rent, whereas my figures were for rental at free-market rates.

CmdrRiker, I demand that you declare me winner by virtue of technical knockout.



topenga posted:

Goddamn young people.
Yup. I was pretty horrified, although at least it was her honeymoon I guess.

John Smith fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 7, 2017

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

topenga posted:

I poo poo you not, I have a colleague who worked for this company for 7 years. He quit a couple weeks ago to travel for a year. We were all "why don't you just take a sabbatical?" Nope. Just up and quit. Sold most of his stuff, is currently living in Virginia in a commune thing until his passport comes in so he can travel the world. I wish him only the best. I really thought this poo poo only happened in movies.

Goddamn young people.

He's probably going to come back a vastly different person, so it kinda makes sense in a "start your life over and figure out what makes you happy" sort of way. I wish I had the (audacity*?) to do that. I just get bogged down by the "sense of duty and obligation" and the, y'know, lack of way to pay for it.


John Smith posted:

I think I was cheated of my victory. Subjunctive, EAT FASTER!!!!!! and Fuzzy Mammal were the only posters who came in lower than me. But Subjunctive and EAT FASTER!!!!!! fully paid off their mortgages while Fuzzy Mammal had a long note. Thus, their payments were nowhere near their imputed rent, whereas my figures were for rental at free-market rates.

CmdrRiker, I demand that you declare me winner by virtue of technical knockout.

Yup. I was pretty horrified, although at least it was her honeymoon I guess.

DONE.

CmdrRiker fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Apr 7, 2017

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

topenga posted:

Sold most of his stuff, is currently living in Virginia in a commune thing until his passport comes in so he can travel the world.

He's not living in Yogaville is he?

topenga
Jul 1, 2003

CmdrRiker posted:

He's probably going to come back a vastly different person, so it kinda makes sense in a "start your life over and figure out what makes you happy" sort of way. I wish I had the (audacity*?) to do that. I just get bogged down by the "sense of duty and obligation" and the, y'know, lack of way to pay for it.


Oh yeah, he probably will. This was his first job out of college (I think). So yeah, dude, go forth and explore. All us old people with mortgages and poo poo are jealous as hell. :)

monster on a stick posted:


He's not living in Yogaville is he?

I have no idea. Is Yogaville bad?

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I know nothing about it except the name but I can already tell you with 100% certainty that yes, "yogaville" is bad.

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