Herman Merman posted:

lol

Andrast posted:

Good god SDP is a pathetic party

Fushigi Yuugi fansub posted:

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https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/eu-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report#fndtn-tabs-0-bottom-2

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqnB4Q0hOWs

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https://www.seurakuntalainen.fi/uutiset/luther-divari-hyokkayksen-kohteena-helsingissa/

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+ esim. kaikki DnD:n fash the bash postaukset

Ligur posted:

Nobody else seems to obsessively give a drat about me disagreeing about something... apart from you. But I it's awesome you enjoy reading my posts and looking them up. Read more of them. Figure out, it's not about the person but the ideas. Thing is, it's a different thing to say "hmmm, I don't agree with X" to saying "u r a stalinist/nazi enabler of a mass murdare" or "gently caress you gently caress you gently caress you are a degenate I hate yuo" - to only make a slight hyperpole.

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I bring up the screaming about nazis and whatever up from time to time in D&D, but it's not about my personal feelings. How many times I have to reapeat this... It's about how weird it is certain posters can't handle anyone saying something not-nice about immigration without having a meltdown and immediately attacking whoever posts about by screaming hitlernazi. I'm certainly not the only poster who receives this response, though I don't also mind at all since it proves my point, and even less do I whine directly to the mods how this "has to be stopped and, is a crime" or whatever.

Ligur posted:

The hs.fi post I quoted earlier was full of people who think the POLICE or some other official should make folks saying nasty things STOP and then PUNISH people with DIFFERENT VIEWS. Because boo-hoo. They were offended

I find it curious someone can't take an opposing view without trying to shut it down by pleading to a higher force.

Ligur posted:

Anecdotally, I have plenty of pro-immigration friends and also anti-unelma friends. Today a friend who is running on the Left Alliance list was told by someone at the train station that his LA button sucks and he deserves a "button" on his forehead instead. "Nappi päähän mielummin". Did he freak out and go to the newspapers, crying? No, he made a facebook post and laughed it off. Same thing with with right-wingers I know, they don't freak out when some LA hoodlum threatens them since it's just whatthefuckever. The Feminists on the other hand...

Rexroom posted:

HerraS posted:

kuolema demareille

DarkCrawler posted:

Did you even read that image? There is a single person in both lines of discussion and they said they don't accept violence. Are you trying to prove that some leftists think if you are provocated or attacked that you can use violence? Don't think that was the point, but as far as going in proving hypocrisy that's kinda ridiculous.

I mean gently caress, I don't accept violence but I sure as poo poo have wanted to punch about five thousand people in my life. I would imagine that is a pretty human feeling for anyone who isn't a pacifist monk.


This was about immigration? We're not really talking about (mistaken) nazism or anti-nazism here. I personally believe that very few anti-immigrant people in Finland are active members of a Nazi organization or believe in it as a political principle.

Vasemmistoliitto btw. has racists in it, although the representative ones usually get kicked out of the party, like Susanna Koski or that woman who was writing about horrible mixing of the races a while back. So I am not going to just assume that the 50-year old man who assaulted Tamminen (he filed a police report) is a maailmanhalaaja as opposed to old taistolainen or whatever.


Not really about immigration, is it?


I don't know what the initial event/video clip was that caused this discussion. An anti-racist attacking a racist unprovoked, or just fighting with eachother? Probably need to expand on that a bit. What do they construe as anti-racist violence? Since they are talking about few broken noses it's kind of hard to make the case that they are referring to hunting down all racists and beating them all to death in their homes.


Nothing to do with Finland.


Nothing to do with immigration. Though I don't really consider advocating violence against a violent movement to be equivalent to wanting to murder every immigrant and brown person in Finland.


I have absolutely no idea what this is.


I have absolutely no idea who this is, who he is writing it to or why he is writing it. You really need to try to give me at least a bit of a hint here.


...he's quoting some Swedish guys there. Also again, is that about immigration?


Did you even read your own source? Of course, you did not. Separatist violence is counted as a separate category and is by far the largest. Separatists can be both left-wing or right-wing in political orientation though are usually anti-immigrant in both cases. ETA for example was left-wing as gently caress while KKK were right-wing. Nothing about any of those attacks says anything about the immigration leanings of their particular perpetrators either way.

Also how many of those attacks happened in Finland, either for or against immigration? You seem to be convinced that I don't believe in the existence of left-wing violence as a concept which, uh...I...do. It is real.

Also how many attacks with molotov cocktails have been there in the past years? Because they may not be counted as "terrorism" (why the gently caress not I don't know) but I think trying to burn a building with people inside it is pretty violent. But that can be tied pretty clearly to immigrants, asylum seekers in particular.


She literally says that violence is not justified there...


...that's about gay marriage


I don't think many, if uh, any of those people are Finnish. Guys? Who here said bash the fash?

This is what you get when you just randomly pick images from I guess Naurunappula? Ylilauta? Some kind of Finnish 4chan or straight up Google image search anyway, lol.


I'm not obsessed about you, it's just that your bullshit-to-post ratio is goddamn magnificent. This is where your myopic narcissism and persecution complex keeps tripping you up again - if you look at my post history (seriously, do I need to give you directions to how to do that, you seem to be completely unaware of it's existence) you notice that I have had plenty of slapfights with people posting bullshit who are not you, multiple times.

I don't think I've said any of those things, though? Is this the slight hyperbole we're talking about again? You know the kind that absolves you of everything negative but makes me a horrible mean monster?


From "time to time" haha, it's your favorite way to barge in here and a good half of the subject in your posts (this one too). You are just mad that you get a reply to those that isn't nice. Well again, metsä vastaa. Stop whining about posters on an internet forum (!) being mean to you when you go all Chicken Little about immigrants and Muslims and people won't make fun of you doing so. Do you think you are the only bigot here getting angry replies or something? You might, I have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes.

And again, you are literally whining about it right now


You find it curious that someone who has been a victim of a crime (threatening a person, a group of people, or harassing them on the street is a crime) is pursuing a legal action against it? I haven't personally bothered, but I don't bother when someone steals my bike either. But in your opinion should people who go to a police station to report that their bike has been stolen be laughed out of there?


Good for him/them/any of your convenient anecdotal friends. It's still a crime though.

And again, do you truly, actually, believe that True Finn members don't cry about things to newspapers? Just a direct answer to this would be nice.

Fushigi Yuugi fansub posted:

it took you this long to come up with extenuating circumstances and other excuses? drat dude, you're losing your edge

DanTheFryingPan posted:

Reports of a truck driving into a crowd in Stockholm

http://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000005161024.html

Rexroom posted:

I think you are mistaken on what thread you're on. I bet there weren't any Finns involved either...

DarkCrawler posted:

http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art-2000005160045.html

Jesus loving Christ. "Hey! All I was doing was suspecting this person wasn't a Finnish citizen because of his name and blocked him from doing his duties because of that! That is not racism and I am totally going to whine about it to newspapers!" - A man whose first name is, you read that right, Harry


That is one weak rear end reply. Posting foreign anarchists, European terrorism statistics and things completely unrelated to the discussion about immigration surprisingly enough does not prove that there are equivalent "ääripäät" in that discussion in Finland. You weren't even able to find one suvakki yelling about murdering all persus in Finland because they hate immigrants?

I'd say something about an edge but I think we both know you never had one to begin with. Shitposting suits you much better.

DanTheFryingPan posted:

I think it's a bit too early to blame the Finns for this.

Fushigi Yuugi fansub posted:

you always spin everything upside down so that you're never wrong but yeah i wasn't talking strictly about immigration. also i didn't care to google enough so i could prove a pedantic autist wrong on a dead gay comedy forum because i have better things to do - like reading mein kampf, jacking off to anime girls, eating doritos and playing wow

adhuin posted:

Around Finns, never relax.

Rexroom posted:

throw to first drat IT posted:

There was that news piece about Sweden giving immigrants a driver's license without testing if they claimed that they had one in country where they couldn't get records out of, wasn't there?

Maybe this could have been avoided if Sweden hadn't been so lax with the licensation.

throw to first drat IT posted:

SDP is retarded and poo poo tho.

Herman Merman posted:

Knock yourself out, but this obsession of yours is a bit worrying.
I'm also confused as to why you'd think I don't condemn islamist terrorism since I do. The discussion was about "ääripäät" in Finland though, and objectively only the far right currently violently terrorizes political opponents and murders people around here.

Ligur posted:

Muslimit ajelee Euroopassa rekkoja päin väkijoukkoa (muualla samantapainen ollut tavallista niin pitkään kuin historiaa on kirjoitettu) viikon tai kuukauden välein? No problem! Hyvä meno, nyt meillä on monikulttuuria. Turha kitistä. Pitää hyväksyä erilaisuus. Eikä tämä kerro mistään trendistä. Sitäpaitsi olet rasisti. Ei liity mitenkään mihinkään. Oikeisto on uhka. Lisää maahanmuuttoa tai rassenassehitler. Ei saa yleistää, ei todista mitään.

Joku psyko Norjassa riehuu vuonna 2011 ja tappaa kaikki? Vankka todiste siitä, että äärioikeisto on vaarallinen ja aikoo ampua kaikki naiset ja lapset ennen ja jälkeen tapahtuman. Lisäksi hitler.

Millähän tasolla kognitiivinen dissonanssi mahtaa olla.

Ja kyllä, näyttää olevan right-wing violence jos joku jossain lyö jotakuta nekkuun. Ja voihan se olla, että Tukholman rekkakuski oli tosiaan kavala patriarkaattia edustava valkoinen hetero.

doverhog posted:

That rant would make sense if someone was in favor of letting dudes murder people with trucks, but as that is not the position of any political party or movement, you are just yelling at windmills.

Ligur posted:

Voihan sen ajatella noinkin. Mutta se on tyhmästi ajateltu, sorry bro. Eihän kukaan tietenkään halua nimenomaan hulluja rekkakuskeja päästää maahan. Se on selvää.

On kuitenkin olemassa ainakin yhdessä asiassa selkeästi kaksi eri porukkaa. Toisten mielestä tämä väki tuolta hullujen rekkakuskien maista täytyy päästä maahan, koska ihmisoikeus. Kun sitä porukkaa päästetään maahan osa niistä sitten ajelee rekoilla väkijoukkoon. Mutta se on ihan hyväksyttävä, vaikka kenties ikävä seuraamus.

Toisten mielestä taas em. väkeä ei pitäisi päästää sosiaaliturvan perään maahan laisinkaan, joka on tietenkin vittumainen asenne, mutta samalla takuu siitä, että kukaan ei ajele rekoilla väkijoukkoon koska vääräuskoiset ansaitsevat kuoleman ja sen sellaista.

Vasemmiston kevyt allianssi islamistien kanssa on todella hämmästyttävää katseltavaaa. Luulisi siellä vasemmallakin ihmiten ymmärtävän, että partajepet eivät todellakaan arvosta tai aja samoja arvoja tai asioita, mutta ei.

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Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.

DarkCrawler posted:

You're confused again. You see, some people believe that people shouldn't be reduced to things like their skin color, faith, origin, etc. and should be treated as individuals who are not responsible over things they have no power over just because they happen to share one of those aspects with a perpetrator of a crime. This is called believing in concepts like basic human morality, international law, Finnish law, etc.

You don't believe in this, but in concepts such as collective punishment, collective responsibility, taking away the rights of some people because they happen to share a religion with someone who did a bad thing, and so on. This by the very definition of the word makes you a bigot.

You are a bigot, Ligur, because it is effortless to demonstrate that you are one by the very things you write on this forum. People are not calling you a bigot because they are greenleftliberalvassariwhatever, they are calling you a bigot because you meet the dictionary definition of the word, and this post I am quoting would alone make that case.

It's pretty simple.

EDIT: Also because you are a myopic narcissist with no ability to understand history, you believe this is something new and unprecedented in Europe, which it is not. This time it is just brown people and Muslims doing it, which particulary irks you because you are, like previously pointed out, a bigot.

Kemper Boyd posted:

There's an article in The Jacobin about the Rudimentary Finns, written by one of the usual suspects: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/04/true-finns-finland-timo-soini-nationalists-far-right-xenophobia-elections/

Ligur posted:

Toisten mielestä taas em. väkeä ei pitäisi päästää sosiaaliturvan perään maahan laisinkaan, joka on tietenkin vittumainen asenne, mutta samalla takuu siitä, että kukaan ei ajele rekoilla väkijoukkoon koska vääräuskoiset ansaitsevat kuoleman ja sen sellaista.

endlessmonotony posted:

Riiight.

Sorry, that's not actually how it works, as you could see if you paid any attention whatsoever to anything but your fevered and very racist imagination.

doverhog posted:

What is it that you want? Ban Islam? Deport anyone without 2 Finnish parents? What?

Not to rehash old stuff, but I think, and have said here too, that the way the refugee crisis was and is handled is terrible. It does not follow that we should shoot refugees at the border, or drown them in the Mediterranean.