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Tim Raines IRL posted:great, now not only do I have to lose to Miracles, I have to deal with 25% of their cards being this yugioh bullshit This is 90% of the reason I want to play these versions. To tilt other players who hate them.
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myDad posted:Hey Aven Mindcensor reprint tho Was Mindcensor Modern legal before Amonkhet?
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Soul Glo posted:Was Mindcensor Modern legal before Amonkhet? Yep. Future-shifted too! Flash poll- Titan Breach or Mill for FNM tomorrow? I want to test Mill out some more after it surprised me last week but I need to start hoarding store credit to buy all of the MM17 reprints and Titan does better against the Jund I seem to encounter every FNM. C-Euro fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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I formerly played Mono Red in Legacy before I sold out of the format. Chalice, Trinisphere, Blood Moon, Through the Breach and Sneak Attack. It seems like some Dragon Stompy variants in Modern are kind of doing the same thing. Considering picking up the deck. Talk me into or out of it.
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Simian Spirit Guide will eventually get banned and then your deck will be unplayable instead of just really bad.
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Vital Signs posted:I formerly played Mono Red in Legacy before I sold out of the format. Chalice, Trinisphere, Blood Moon, Through the Breach and Sneak Attack. It seems like some Dragon Stompy variants in Modern are kind of doing the same thing. Considering picking up the deck. Talk me into or out of it. play eldrazi stompy instead. that way you have all the delights of turn one chalice without having to play things like Moggcatcher, Rakdos Pit Dragon, or two card combos that don't win the game immediately/have no filtering to set up e: hm maybe if i read the loving post I could have picked out the key word "Modern"
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suicidesteve posted:Simian Spirit Guide will eventually get banned and then your deck will be unplayable instead of just really bad.
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Vital Signs posted:I formerly played Mono Red in Legacy before I sold out of the format. Chalice, Trinisphere, Blood Moon, Through the Breach and Sneak Attack. It seems like some Dragon Stompy variants in Modern are kind of doing the same thing. Considering picking up the deck. Talk me into or out of it. Skred is a mono-red deck in Modern that does OK, but I don't think it runs any of those cards beside Blood Moon and maybe Chalice. WR Prisonn decks run those two and then have Nahiri->Emrakul as a finisher, which is kind of like Sneak Attack/Breach. Vital Signs posted:I disagree about SSG getting banned anytime soon, but I agree the deck does not seem that great. Play the decks you think are fun, but don't spend too much on a gimmick or a joke. Unless you're willing to practice it enough that it stops being a joke.
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Vital Signs posted:I formerly played Mono Red in Legacy before I sold out of the format. Chalice, Trinisphere, Blood Moon, Through the Breach and Sneak Attack. It seems like some Dragon Stompy variants in Modern are kind of doing the same thing. Considering picking up the deck. Talk me into or out of it. Your options are: * R/W prison: Moons, chalices, planeswalkers, I don't know much else because nobody I know plays it but it's competitive I guess * Eldrazi Tron: Chalices and probably the closest equivalent of a stompy deck in modern. Just a bunch of big dumb creatures that goes over the top of whatever your opponent is doing. Very strong deck at the moment * Skred: Moons and dragons but for the most part this deck is a lot more fair. Solidly tier 2 * Free Win Red: Chalices, Moons, and Ensnaring Bridges. Probably fits the dragon stompy gameplan the most, you're just giving a middle finger to anyone looking to actually play a game. Not very good though and probably gets boring quick.
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I'll just stick to vengeance-ing and TTBing Emmy and Griselbrand for now. Thanks folks.
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little munchkin posted:Your options are: This is what I've been playing at FNM of late; I've gone 4-0 two weeks in a row now. It was my amateur-hour meta call, but it's performing way better than I expected it to. Not sure I'd take it to a bigger event though. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/605838#paper That list recently 5-0'd a league and is pretty close to my list.
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C-Euro posted:
This. I'm trying to put mine back together but I'm going to skip buying snapcaster and either use scribe or just another spell. I also want to try black expertise somewhere.
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Snacksmaniac posted:I also want to try black expertise somewhere. I was going to do this too and then I cracked a Damnation in a MM17 draft  Might try one of each, I had two Night of Souls' Betrayal in there for a while but I'm not sure if it's better than a sweeper, haven't seen too much Affinity or Delver/Young Pyromancer as of late, and one guy was trying out BW Tokens and got his rear end beat so he'll probably switch back to Ad Nauseum. Anyone want to make a case for Betrayal in general?
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Vital Signs posted:I formerly played Mono Red in Legacy before I sold out of the format. Chalice, Trinisphere, Blood Moon, Through the Breach and Sneak Attack. It seems like some Dragon Stompy variants in Modern are kind of doing the same thing. Considering picking up the deck. Talk me into or out of it. I brewed up a Dragon Stompy variant in modern & posted my WIP list a page ago or so, imo it would fit great in modern but people are afraid of experimentation Trinisphere/Chalice completely hoses a lot of combo decks in modern and most fair decks can't deal with 4 Rabblemasters, couple Pia/Kirans, and increasingly scary dragons on curve Blood Moon/Magus is great against all the 3 color decks, but can be safely taken out after game 1 for more specific hate since they will likely play around it Vital Signs posted:I'll just stick to vengeance-ing and TTBing Emmy and Griselbrand for now. Thanks folks. O lol
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Vital Signs posted:I'll just stick to vengeance-ing and TTBing Emmy and Griselbrand for now. Thanks folks. cast them in good health
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myDad posted:Man... Monday is modern night & money's kinda tight right now. Usually buy-in for the night is $5 but everyone decided to do win-a-box of MM17 so it was $20. Already kinda upset & sick af (was home all last week ill) I play to get some reps in before the GP next week. C-Euro posted:That's lame, if I'm going to "make" my entry fee back I'll always at least offer to split. Tell me that guy lost, at least. Lol just to follow up on this after I left coughing out my insides it turns out the two guys in the finals (one of which was the reason we all played citing that he just wanted to play magic!) decided to split without playing it out! Gonna give both of em poo poo for this one
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myDad posted:I brewed up a Dragon Stompy variant in modern & posted my WIP list a page ago or so, imo it would fit great in modern but people are afraid of experimentation
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Modern FNM with UB Mill. This was kind of a weird night- R1 vs Blue Tron. He's running what feels like more countermagic than what I was expecting so I run out of gas game 1 due to Wurmcoil beats (he got Tron before I could Surgical any of them) but his library is in the single digits and I Surgical in response to dying so I get to see everything. Ugin, Emrakul Promised End, Platinum Angel, yuck. Out: 4 Push, 1 Orb, In: 2 Set Adrift, 2 Needle, 1 Echoing Truth. Game 2 I bait out enough countermagic to stick two Crabs and grind him down with land drops. He tutors up Platinum Angel early but I Surgical out a Tron land, and when he taps out at six mana I hardcast an Archive Trap to kill him. TO calls time as we're shuffling for game 3 so we agree to draw. This matchup was a lot better when I was playing Esper and had Paths. Also, I consider myself a slow Magic player but this guy was even slower. 0-0-1 (1-1-1) R2 vs BUG(?) Thopter Sword. Haven't seen this one before. Game 1 he Thought Scours on turn 1 to put a Sword into his graveyard, which I immediately Surgical. Oops. I quickly get double Orb in play as he lands a Foundry and starts making tokens, but the Orbs outrace his efforts to swing at me. Out: 1 Ashiok, 2 Push, 1 Incursion, In: 2 Hurkyl's, 1 Needle (for Foundry), 1 Expertise. Game 2 I grind him out with Crab and Orb, and while he does get Thopter + Sword going I hit him with double Glimpse while tapped out and he dies. I misplayed here and Quarter'd a tapped land before it could trigger Orb, which gives him an extra turn but it ends up not mattering. 1-0-1 (3-1-1) R3 vs Grixis Shadow. Game 1 we trade Pushes on our 1-drops, but I'm one mill spell short when I die to a big Shadow (with a Glimpse underneath a just-played Shelldock). In: Damnation, Cut, 2x Memento, Out: Orb, Surgical, Ashiok, Funeral. Game 2 I Surgical his Shadows before he can stick one, then grind him down along with an Archive Trap for good measure. I bring the 4th Orb back in and take out a Memento. Game 3 we trade spells for a bit and he's going a little slow, either waiting for some big alpha strike or out of fear of Trap. He has counterspells as well but is being pretty selective with their use. When he does tap out I EOT double Vision (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxKCPjcvbys) and Glimpse-Snap-Glimpse on my turn for the win. No idea how I won this match, but it probably has something to do with going T1 Crab T2 Orb all three games. 2-0-1 (4-2-1) R4 I split with Affinity as a loss or tie would be the same payout for me, and it's a lovely matchup. He wanted to leave, but I wish I'd been able to practice it. 2-0-2 (4-2-2) I'm not ready to call it a tier 1 deck but I've been surprised by this build, even as someone who's been pro-Mill for a while now. Orb is amazing and I don't think I'd go below 4 copies in the 75, it really sneaks up on people and by the time they bother to get rid of it they've been milled for 10+. Push also does pretty well in my meta, though I did wish I had Path for U Tron. However, I saw a fair amount of Death's Shadow and BGx at other tables tonight so I might switch back to Titan Breach for a spell. --Any good SB cards for Death's Shadow? He got down to 5 life or less all three games (by design), I wish there had been a way for me to take advantage of that but I'm drawing a blank on any cards that could do that while also feeling normal in a mill deck. Is there some card like "lose 1 life for each creature in your graveyard" or something? --Any suggestions for card #60? It was Startled Awake last time and Ashiok this time, but I haven't cast any fun-ofs in this build thus far. And now I'm thinking of making that flex spot into Psychic Spiral because gently caress it 
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Good report. Way to touch the skies with your double vision...
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C-Euro posted:--Any suggestions for card #60? It was Startled Awake last time and Ashiok this time, but I haven't cast any fun-ofs in this build thus far. And now I'm thinking of making that flex spot into Psychic Spiral because gently caress it If you really have no clue, another Snap.
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GoutPatrol posted:If you really have no clue, another Snap. That seems reasonable. Playing a modern GPT with grixis delver/death's shadow today. I will try to remember my matches and try to report back here after I scrub out.
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GoutPatrol posted:If you really have no clue, another Snap. Oh yeah, true. I was thinking more of cool singletons but if I'm going to be leaning on Orb a lot then another Snaps seems good. Snacksmaniac posted:Good report. Way to touch the skies with your double vision... The joke would have worked a lot better if the forums didn't auto-parse Youtube links like that! But yeah it does pretty well in my area since very fast and/or wide aggro like Infect, Affinity, and Dredge are on the downswing and there's not a lot of big mana decks like Tron or Titan where Push is a dead draw. This deck can hang with "low-quantity high-quality threat" decks like Jund and Death's Shadow, and I can't remember the last time I dropped a game to a combo deck. People at my store are on notice and starting to remember me as "the Mill guy", after our match the Death's Shadow player was asking me what other cards have the Eldrazi Titan GY-shuffle trigger 
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well. As much fun as glittering wish is, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that it's a lot better to just jam tarmogoyfs and lillys into those slots, and then run a normal sideboard. **sigh**
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well ig uess im not playing food chain regardless of how well i do with it in the goon league. apparently they're all bought out. there's like 5, total, available on TCGplayer and none in any decent shape. i loving hate this hobby
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Can any Modern goons expound on the Death's Shadow vs. Valakut matchup? Thinking about switching back to RG Breach for a little bit since more people have started showing up locally with Death's Shadow decks. I feel like Breach should be favored because of the whole burn factor but I haven't played the matchup yet, and I feel like you have to hold back and let them get down below ~10 and roast them in one go to avoid the crackback.
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C-Euro posted:Can any Modern goons expound on the Death's Shadow vs. Valakut matchup? Thinking about switching back to RG Breach for a little bit since more people have started showing up locally with Death's Shadow decks. I feel like Breach should be favored because of the whole burn factor but I haven't played the matchup yet, and I feel like you have to hold back and let them get down below ~10 and roast them in one go to avoid the crackback. Not sure if you're as favored as you might think, DS decks run a ton of disruption and once they know you're not very interactive they can push for pretty fast goldfish kills. They have few answers to a titan though so I feel like they're much safer on the board than they are in your hand. maybe a build like this where you have a lot of business spells and no breaches that potentially get stranded by a thoughtseize? I don't know valakut decks very well though so maybe breachless is just too slow for DS.
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Was never a huge fan of Scapeshift in the deck TBH, I run a few Emrakuls instead which are sometimes overkill but always hilarious. Also a deck like DS is definitely going to be below 15 life by turn 4 so they have to be able to deal with Breach. This is the list I've been running to a fair amount of success, especially against Jund players here (who are switching or have switched to DS Jund)
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New Gideon looks interesting as a replacement for Phyrexian Unlife in Ad Nauseam. Unlife can buy more time in burn type matches, but Gideon would be an absolute monster against Infect & certain variants of Death's Shadow.
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why is Urborg important for the raven's crime / loam combo? I'm not seeing it, seems like this works with any land?
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Tim Raines IRL posted:why is Urborg important for the raven's crime / loam combo? I'm not seeing it, seems like this works with any land? makes all your lands able to cast crime
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little munchkin posted:makes all your lands able to cast crime Okay, sure. I wasn't sure if there was some other subtleyty I was missing. My deck wants to cast lilly on turn 2, black sources no prob.
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For the Modern specialists in this thread, what keeps a deck like this from being competitively viable? It seems like it should have game in every matchup, but every Flash style deck I see ends up being in red for reach and doesn't seem to focus so much on the Flash element of the deck. However, I feel like the trifecta of Tarpit, Tasigur, and Fatal Push make black a much stronger compliment even if you don't have the reach of red. Being able to have the powerful late game of Snap + Vision + Cryptic against Jund/Abzan in addition to being able to play more aggressively with Clique + Resto + Tasigur + GQ against big mana decks seems like a very good place to be, and the removal suite matches up very well against your Death's Shadow and Eldrazi decks. I dunno, it seems like a deck like this should be fairly well positioned in the meta. What makes it not good enough?
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Sampatrick posted:For the Modern specialists in this thread, what keeps a deck like this from being competitively viable? It seems like it should have game in every matchup, but every Flash style deck I see ends up being in red for reach and doesn't seem to focus so much on the Flash element of the deck. However, I feel like the trifecta of Tarpit, Tasigur, and Fatal Push make black a much stronger compliment even if you don't have the reach of red. Being able to have the powerful late game of Snap + Vision + Cryptic against Jund/Abzan in addition to being able to play more aggressively with Clique + Resto + Tasigur + GQ against big mana decks seems like a very good place to be, and the removal suite matches up very well against your Death's Shadow and Eldrazi decks. I dunno, it seems like a deck like this should be fairly well positioned in the meta. What makes it not good enough? It looks slow?
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Because the universal answers in modern are bad to non-existent and sometimes you draw your narrow answers in the wrong order and your opponent kills you with Tasigur when you have a Spell Snare and a Fatal Push or they kill you with 20 copies of Grapeshot when you have Terminate and Kolaghan's Command in hand. Cryptic Command is a joke in a format where you die, or have effectively lost the game, on turn 3 half the time.
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Taking this to FNM tonight. Hoping I don't run into grixis death's shadow or ponza, the only two matchups I've played. They're bad matchups, extremely bad post-SB. Deck: Mechsnek    //Lands 4 Blooming Marsh 1 Forest 1 Gavony Township 1 Godless Shrine 2 Marsh Flats 2 Overgrown Tomb 1 Swamp 1 Temple Garden 1 Vault of the Archangel 4 Verdant Catacombs 2 Windswept Heath //Spells 4 Dromoka's Command 3 Fatal Push 4 Hardened Scales 1 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar 4 Traverse the Ulvenwald //Creatures 4 Arcbound Ravager 4 Arcbound Worker 2 Dark Confidant 4 Hangarback Walker 2 Scavenging Ooze 4 Walking Ballista 4 Winding Constrictor //Sideboard 2 Anafenza, the Foremost 1 Fatal Push 2 Grafdigger's Cage 4 Lingering Souls 2 Spellskite 4 Thoughtseize  Display deck statistics
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TheKingofSprings posted:When your deck dies to both Burn and Tron you are in a bad place in the meta Eh those are tough match ups for decks like grixis and jund of all flavors including death's shadow (though ds certainly helps against tron) and those decks are clearly good. One of the reasons I like delver in grixis is that it lets you get lucky and steal games from tough matchups like tron. The list that was posted looks perfectly cromulent even if it may not be top tier.
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