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the trump tutelage posted:Egalitarianism is cool and good, I just love the paternalist proto-wokeness of deciding that the ideal coalition in opposition to the forces of anti-egalitarian traditionalism circa 1975 is wealthy, college-educated whites and [all black people]. Like play that out and it's no loving surprise that Hillary "superpredator" Clinton is a Democrat darling. Americans have pretended for a long rear end time that material conditions have no bearing on an individual's party politics. You should see all the stuff that claims America is a classless society.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Americans have pretended for a long rear end time that material conditions have no bearing on an individual's party politics. You should see all the stuff that claims America is a classless society. the ones that claim that are the ones hoping we don't notice they're lying through their teeth
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Top City Homo posted:liberalism embraces cargo cult scientism as a way to justify status quo capitalism and "human nature" by shutting out dissent to alternative forms of social organization *pulls out an old, bleached skull* well, you see here, that the shrunken forebrain of the, ahem, of the white, conservative male, *coughs, takes out a handkerchief* the shrunken forebrain--which you can see by this here, this indentation-- *points to the temple* as a result of this, the con, the conservative, he is incapable of attaining, he cannot reach the state of civilization that the liberal race-- *wipes forehead, drops the sweat-soaked rag to the floor* there's just, there's not sufficient brain capacity, in the Chi--in the conservative race, for self-government
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Best Giraffe posted:*pulls out an old, bleached skull* a larger pituitary gland overwhelms their meager capacity for critical thinking and increases their aversion to change we must civilize these savages
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The Progressive Man's Burden
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You should see all the stuff that claims America is a classless society.
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Top City Homo posted:a larger pituitary gland overwhelms their meager capacity for critical thinking and increases their aversion to change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3D9O9vrDjw&t=10s
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Americans have pretended for a long rear end time that material conditions have no bearing on an individual's party politics. You should see all the stuff that claims America is a classless society. america has never been a classless society what nonsense is this?
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Ignoring the history of it all is a mistake. The Clinton's centrism was a direct response to the Republican sweeps from Nixon to Bush Sr. Leftism was a losing prospect in the eyes of the public. They tried centrism, and it worked. They tried to pass left leaning legislation, and Gingrich destroyed it. Getting anything at all done, was only allowed at the behest of the Republicans. So Democrats compromised every which way to keep the country running. When Gore "lost," the tables turned. Suddenly you were a traitor if you stood against the President. Fox and the major networks would crucify you for even daring to not wear a flag pin. Eight years of non-stop "Decorum", "Respect the office!" and "Wartime unity!" Didn't take a single day for that to evaporate when Obama was sworn in. Suddenly, you can scream at the president and call him a liar, so long as he's a Democrat. Two years of filibusters for every piece of legislation, promises to compromise on Healthcare, and given every bit of consession on it, and still tried to block the goddamn thing. Six years of holding the economy hostage, demanding horrible cuts that the Leftists in this here thread blame the Democrats for taking instead of letting it all burn. All of this while Republicans are repeatedly outed as child molesters, sexual assaulters and crooks. And what ill political effect do they receive? Nothing. Not a god drat thing. A Republican leader could rape a child on live TV and the party proper would never suffer electorally for it. But a bunch of terrorists shoot up an underfunded and underdefended embassy? Four year investigation costing millions. Use the wrong email server? Investigation, universal condemnation and the public ire. The Liberal's greatest sin, is his inability to remember that the average American will forgive a Republican anything, and expect perfection from Democrats. The second greatest is pretending that the left will ever be there when they're needed.
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Talmonis posted:Ignoring the history of it all is a mistake. The Clinton's centrism was a direct response to the Republican sweeps from Nixon to Bush Sr. Leftism was a losing prospect in the eyes of the public. They tried centrism, and it worked. They tried to pass left leaning legislation, and Gingrich destroyed it. Getting anything at all done, was only allowed at the behest of the Republicans. So Democrats compromised every which way to keep the country running. sir, this is an expensive steakhouse, and the fine wine is on the house just for you, but that talk invites the patrons to throw food here is a raincoat:
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Talmonis posted:The Liberal's greatest sin, is his inability to remember that the average American will forgive a Republican anything, and expect perfection from Democrats. The second greatest is pretending that the left will ever be there when they're needed. This is such a dumb take, maybe you can explain how Democrats even approached "perfection"
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During times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints in the sand it was then that the left carried you.
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Someone once said, perhaps on these forums, that the reason that the public gets pissed at each party is different. Republicans piss off voters by over-promising during the campaign, then when voted into power, they don't do what they say. The whole Obamacare repeal debacle is a perfect encapsulation of this. Democrats piss off voters by attempting to deliver exactly what they promised on the campaign trail, which voters invariably interpret as going too far. The original passage of Obamacare is a pretty good example. They rammed it through Congress and voters punished them for it in 2010. I think that reaction with Democrats goes back decades and is rooted in deeply-ingrained fears of Communism in a large portion of the populace and a deeply-ingrained fear of appearing Communist on the part of the Democrats. It's only now that a significant portion of the voting population didn't grow up with the Soviet Boogeyman (or have moved past it) that we're seeing any kind of national appetite for the kind of legislation and policy advocated by Bernie during the primary.
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Azathoth posted:Someone once said, perhaps on these forums, that the reason that the public gets pissed at each party is different. this is nice; i'm enjoying the steak house pommes frites and look you included champagne! compliments to the chef!
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Azathoth posted:Someone once said, perhaps on these forums, that the reason that the public gets pissed at each party is different. where's the public option? why didn't obama protest with unions when scott walker was busting them?
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Condiv posted:where's the public option? why didn't obama protest with unions when scott walker was busting them? As for the union thing? I think Scott Walker would have welcomed Obama with open arms if he'd wanted to come and stand with the unions. Granted, that's just my view from across the border here in Minnesota, but I don't see how Obama wading into that would have done anything but help Walker and his cause. A lot of my family is public sector union, and no one, and I mean no one, wanted Obama to come to the midwest and try to help.
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Talmonis posted:Ignoring the history of it all is a mistake. The Clinton's centrism was a direct response to the Republican sweeps from Nixon to Bush Sr. Leftism was a losing prospect in the eyes of the public. They tried centrism, and it worked. They tried to pass left leaning legislation, and Gingrich destroyed it. Getting anything at all done, was only allowed at the behest of the Republicans. So Democrats compromised every which way to keep the country running. democrats held the majority in the house for 40 straight years from 1955 to 1995. 40 loving years. those include all of the administrations between nixon, reagan, and bush sr. this stretch becomes even more remarkable when you consider stretching this timeframe back to FDR. democrats held the majority in the senate for 34 out of 40 years from 1955 to 1995. please let me know how controlling congress for so long during those administrations counts as "Republican sweeps" the democrats started winning hard for 50 years when they became and were remembered as the party of FDR. it's when they started selling out and abandoning being the party of FDR that they lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_in_the_United_States_over_time comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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obama literally went to kucinich's district to shame him and use his power of the bully pulpit against the public option. he didn't ever use the bully pulpit for the public option. many people felt betrayed by obamacare since it was a rightwing healthcare bill originating in the heritage foundation and designed to entrench the current healthcare industry. many felt obamacare's campaign included pushing for a public option at the very least and he abandoned it along with many other potential cost controls like drug reimportation or allowing medicare to negotiate.
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comedyblissoption posted:haha this is so loving wrong. no, it's when they lost the racist vote during LBJ's administration
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we had to sell out and move to the right because we needed to win and get corporate money is the common refrain and excuse from corporate and centrist democrats this strategy has hosed them over in congress much more than the "be the party of fdr" strategy. with the last election cycle it's absolutely crushed the democrats at basically all levels of government from the state houses to congress to governorships to the presidency. they haven't been this out of power in like a century.
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comedyblissoption posted:we had to sell out and move to the right because we needed to win and get corporate money is the common refrain and excuse from corporate and centrist democrats they let citizens united pass though funny how the excuse is also the motive
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:no, it's when they lost the racist vote during LBJ's administration
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rudatron posted:LBJ lost because of Vietnam, not civil rights. [video type="youtu"]qTyqoV1d2Ys[/video]
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:they let citizens united pass though uh, I would expect a sitting US senator to at least understand the basic structure of the US government
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comedyblissoption posted:obama literally went to kucinich's district to shame him and use his power of the bully pulpit against the public option. he didn't ever use the bully pulpit for the public option. It's mainly because Obama wanted to make a deal with corrupt big pharma and medical care industries. Things like getting rid of the medicine import ban threatens their bottom line in a big way.
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Condiv posted:where's the public option? why didn't obama protest with unions when scott walker was busting them? sane reason he wanted to cut social security benefits and pass TPP he is a liberal
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Main Paineframe posted:uh, I would expect a sitting US senator to at least understand the basic structure of the US government i do, point? e: they never did anything about it, regardless of whether it's a court case, we still get paid to gently caress over the poor so your point is? Lindsey O. Graham fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:LBJ lost because of Vietnam, not civil rights. lbj never ran, so he never lost
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Yeah because stepping down isn't 'losing', right? Vietnam had a bigger effect, because the draft convinced liberals that 'big government' was bad/could not be used as an instrument of progress. So the role of the politican shifted from being someone with a vision, using state instruments & popular support to achieve that vision (populism), to what amounts to 'civic managers' who do as little as possible, and leave the 'dreaming' to the private sector. Turns out, the society that corporations dream of is a literal dystopia.
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The 'racists killed populism' is nothing but a convenient lie liberals tell themselves - they killed it, with their own hands.
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:lbj never ran, so he never lost LBJ ran against basically Hitler clone Barry Goldwater (lol Hillary campaigned for him) in what was essentially a referendum on Civil Rights, and he won in the largest landslide in history (to that point). Then LBJ got caught up in Vietnam, a war he believed was important, and when the next election cycle came round he was a beaten bitter man worn down by popular opposition and who no longer cared to run for the Presidency. Also he probably had sad brains.
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you're right, it is a dystopian america we live in, in this year of our lord, 2017 e: @rudatron Lindsey O. Graham fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Not a Step posted:LBJ ran against basically Hitler clone Barry Goldwater (lol Hillary campaigned for him) in what was essentially a referendum on Civil Rights, and he won in the largest landslide in history (to that point). he definitely had sad brains, but he definitely also said that the democratic party lost the racist vote when he signed the civil rights act into law i have no trouble believing that everything you're saying, and the events that im delineating, are true and can be true at the same time
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:he definitely had sad brains, but he definitely also said that the democratic party lost the racist vote when he signed the civil rights act into law Yeah. LBJ's one election was a Civil Rights referendum. He never had a Great Society referendum because Vietnam overshadowed everything else and he refused to run again. LBJ is the classic example of great domestic policy, bad foreign policy. Although I have a soft spot for LBJ because despite Vietnam being a colossal gently caress up, he believed in the necessity of the war in a way I don't think any other President did for their respective foreign policy gently caress ups. It doesn't make it suddenly right or good, but it humanizes LBJ in a way that, for example, the Iraq 2 doesn't GWB, no matter how much he paints.
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Not a Step posted:Yeah. LBJ's one election was a Civil Rights referendum. He never had a Great Society referendum because Vietnam overshadowed everything else and he refused to run again. LBJ is the classic example of great domestic policy, bad foreign policy. Although I have a soft spot for LBJ because despite Vietnam being a colossal gently caress up, he believed in the necessity of the war in a way I don't think any other President did for their respective foreign policy gently caress ups. It doesn't make it suddenly right or good, but it humanizes LBJ in a way that, for example, the Iraq 2 doesn't GWB, no matter how much he paints. GWB and LBJ are not names that should be mentioned together in a sentence, no matter what i happen to say in public i do agree that the vietnam war's failures overshadowed the civil right's bill's successes, so a large part of a generation has probably forgotten about the civil rights act, and still nurses grievances about Vietnam
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:you're right, it is a dystopian america we live in, in this year of our lord, 2017 Dude I can't tell if you're joking but the outlook of our society is looking pretty dire.
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Dreddout posted:Dude I can't tell if you're joking but the outlook of our society is looking pretty dire. this is unironic as gently caress; trump is a garbage candidate, deep in garbage interests, with garbage intentions and motivations we are officially the nation of trash men living in trash man nation
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Not a Step posted:Yeah. LBJ's one election was a Civil Rights referendum. He never had a Great Society referendum because Vietnam overshadowed everything else and he refused to run again. LBJ is the classic example of great domestic policy, bad foreign policy. Although I have a soft spot for LBJ because despite Vietnam being a colossal gently caress up, he believed in the necessity of the war in a way I don't think any other President did for their respective foreign policy gently caress ups. It doesn't make it suddenly right or good, but it humanizes LBJ in a way that, for example, the Iraq 2 doesn't GWB, no matter how much he paints.
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rudatron posted:The 'racists killed populism' is nothing but a convenient lie liberals tell themselves - they killed it, with their own hands. The more I look back on that era the more I see that this is true. American liberals deliberately both turned away from and attacked the populism of the new deal. They said it was dying for decades and they kept trying to kill it until they managed to do so.
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according to Thomas Frank, it's quite possible that monica lewinsky and the tea party were responsible for preventing the democrats from gutting social security and medicare
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