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Miss Piggy from the Muppets would have won.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:25
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Jill Stein would have won
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Apr 8, 2017 16:27
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Literally anyone but Hillary would have won.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:27
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Jill Stein would have won lol
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Apr 8, 2017 16:27
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Literally anyone but Hillary would have won.
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All Hillary had to do was her job, and she probably would have won. I would sooner blame the 25 years of media criticism and her complete inability to handle/respond to it as a bigger factor than misogyny. That isn't to say misogyny wasn't a factor, but please do not take attention away from the fact that Hilldawg just expected the country to take a knee and just give the keys to kingdom to her without any effort. I don't give a poo poo what kind of candidate you're running against, you take them seriously and actually campaign to beat them.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:30
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*sees Trump stories dominating online, print and TV News* "Ah yes, the perfect strategy. I'll just give him ALL the platforms!! Brilliant."
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Literally anyone but Hillary would have won. We've been over this, MO'M and Chafee would have lost even more than HRC did albeit with less factional strife on the left, but Bernie and Webb both would have won for different reasons Shinjobi posted:All Hillary had to do was her job, and she probably would have won. I would sooner blame the 25 years of media criticism and her complete inability to handle/respond to it as a bigger factor than misogyny. That isn't to say misogyny wasn't a factor, but please do not take attention away from the fact that Hilldawg just expected the country to take a knee and just give the keys to kingdom to her without any effort. I really like how the Clinton faction was incensed and appalled that the Dem primary wasn't just given to her without any effort, then proceeded to learn absolutely nothing from this and act like the general would be just given to her without any effort
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Apr 8, 2017 16:35
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loquacius posted:I really like how the Clinton faction was incensed and appalled that the Dem primary wasn't just given to her without any effort, then proceeded to learn absolutely nothing from this and act like the general would be just given to her without any effort 
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loquacius posted:I really like how the Clinton faction was incensed and appalled that the Dem primary wasn't just given to her without any effort, then proceeded to learn absolutely nothing from this and act like the general would be just given to her without any effort Also all the help she got such as Donna Brazile sending her the debate questions in advance or dems who wanted to support Bernie got threatened with being removed from their job.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:38
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she collapsed on 911 and there were no explosives
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Apr 8, 2017 16:38
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gwb was there tho
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Apr 8, 2017 16:38
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her figurative collapse was a literal inside job
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Apr 8, 2017 16:48
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Bernie Sanders campaigned for president for about a year and a half. Hillary has been running for president since 2000 and probably behind the scenes since 1992. If Bernie had better name recognition in the southern states he woulda won.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:48
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Shinjobi posted:I don't give a poo poo what kind of candidate you're running against, you take them seriously and actually campaign to beat them. This is really what it comes down to. Hillary faced, for a variety of reasons, including misogyny, a 25-year smear campaign fueled by same, trumped-up (no pun intended) scandals, and literal foreign intervention against her campaign, a pretty serious uphill (again, no pun intended, lol some words sound like some peoples' names) battle. None of that is her fault. But she treated it like a victory lap, a trophy battle, a ceremonial Defeat Of The Avatar Of The Patriarchy that had a foregone conclusion, and she assumed (like a lot of out-of-touch people) that because the U.S. had hit certain economic metrics, that Everything Was Great and that her job was to Keep Things Fine rather than acknowledge that, for a lot of people, things weren't fine at all. That's all on her. (Also she's not great when she's put on the spot, particularly in a position in which she has to admit to a mistake which, being a Clinton, she is genetically incapable of. That didn't exactly help.) loquacius posted:We've been over this, MO'M and Chafee would have lost even more than HRC did albeit with less factional strife on the left, but Bernie and Webb both would have won for different reasons I actually disagree with this, but then I think I'm the only person this side of Baloogan who thinks that Trump, while a lovely president and a lovely politician, is an amazing televangelist and would have ground anyone into dust who thought that they were having a political campaign rather than a Big Tent Revival. Bernie's probably the person who would have come closest to figuring this out, mind, since he's like Billy Graham to Trump's Ernest Angley, to stretch my lovely televangelist metaphor to the breaking point. And he would have at least bothered to campaign in Trump strongholds, though Jeff Weaver probably would have found a way to lose the South entirely. Hang all campaign managers first, is my point.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:50
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i blame trump's win on all his superpac money
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Apr 8, 2017 16:52
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mormonpartyboat posted:i blame trump's win on all his superpac money I'm actually curious now how his 'campaign spending' would stack up if you put a dollar value on all the free press coverage he got.
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Apr 8, 2017 16:53
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lotta people convinced they know the one and only, sole, exclusive reason that Hillary Clinton, who made a poo poo-ton of mistakes and had a number of factors working against her, barely lost by a very close margin
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Apr 8, 2017 17:05
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it can't be sexism because she won the popular vote haha suck it
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Apr 8, 2017 17:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b57Q4pCXwY
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Apr 8, 2017 17:08
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i have analized all the numbers and ive come up that the most complicated nation in the world is
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Apr 8, 2017 17:09
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beep boop beep boop
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Main Paineframe posted:lotta people convinced they know the one and only, sole, exclusive reason that Hillary Clinton, who made a poo poo-ton of mistakes and had a number of factors working against her, barely lost by a very close margin i think the reason was that she got fewer votes
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Apr 8, 2017 17:15
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which is pretty important, i think??
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mormonpartyboat posted:i think the reason was that she got fewer votes Well, more, but in the wrong places.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:16
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Business Gorillas posted:*looks at election between most qualified person in human history the only qualifications are you are an american citizen, older than 35, and people have to like you going into this thing everybody knew she failed the last part
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Apr 8, 2017 17:16
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docbeard posted:Well, more, but in the wrong places. fewer, in the only place that mattered - the electoral college
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Apr 8, 2017 17:17
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Things independents like: when foreigners are shot; people who shoot foreigners; when people tell them their problems are real and bad and they can help Things independents do not like: Sneaky backdoor politicians; when people tell them their problems are all imaginary or deserved; wussy nancyboys who could never shoot a foreigner in a million years and really like the metric system
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docbeard posted:I actually disagree with this, but then I think I'm the only person this side of Baloogan who thinks that Trump, while a lovely president and a lovely politician, is an amazing televangelist and would have ground anyone into dust who thought that they were having a political campaign rather than a Big Tent Revival. Bernie's probably the person who would have come closest to figuring this out, mind, since he's like Billy Graham to Trump's Ernest Angley, to stretch my lovely televangelist metaphor to the breaking point. And he would have at least bothered to campaign in Trump strongholds, though Jeff Weaver probably would have found a way to lose the South entirely. Jim Webb would have won.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:24
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Nanomashoes posted:Jim Webb would have won.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:25
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loquacius posted:Things independents like: when foreigners are shot; people who shoot foreigners; when people tell them their problems are real and bad and they can help i like nuclear war ----------------
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Apr 8, 2017 17:26
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loquacius posted:We've been over this, MO'M and Chafee would have lost even more than HRC did albeit with less factional strife on the left, but Bernie and Webb both would have won for different reasons I would have felt better about myself if I had voted for the solid block of granite.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:29
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lol if u didnt vote james traficant
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Apr 8, 2017 17:31
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Nanomashoes posted:Jim Webb would have won. Bernie would have won because he understood the mood of the country and was willing/able to actually campaign actively, with a clear, appealing alternative vision to Trump's carnie bullshit. Webb would have won because he'd have ripped Trump's throat out with his teeth at the first debate.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:39
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as long as he undid a couple buttons on his shirt so he could angle his head around
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Apr 8, 2017 17:54
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The Brown Menace posted:actually trump won because hes insane Ftfy
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Bernie would have won because he understood the mood of the country lol
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Apr 8, 2017 18:09
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Bernie would have won because he understood the mood of the country Bernie isn't a master politician, he's an angry zaidie that has been ranting about this poo poo for the past 60 years and would still be doing it even if he got 1% of the vote. He would have won because people are getting ground into the dirt by capitalism and they're desperate for any sort of change.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Bernie would have won because he understood the mood of the country and was willing/able to actually campaign actively, with a clear, appealing alternative vision to Trump's carnie bullshit. while i don't necessarily disagree that bernie might have won, i'm gonna point out that bernie's campaign wasn't hot either. a very good candidate and message combined with a campaign apparatus that really let him down
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