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guts is a survivor of sexual abuse and this informs his character in a huge way. this is established in the first dozen or so chapters. it makes sense that the series would touch on similar things a few more times, when that's a part of the main character's history and characterization. I said 'only' three because the guy was acting like it happened every other chapter.
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for a series that has monsters with huge dicks for noses i was surprised at how well it handles that stuff
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I think the bit with the trolls is kind of unnecessary for what is mostly just an arc of Guts and his buddies actually achieving some kind of success for once in their lives, but from what I remember you don't see much of anything and the women get saved so maybe it's also part of the 'hey everything kind of worked out' vibe in a way. The rest of the sex stuff in Berserk is pretty well-handled, imo, Guts's backstory especially. It's integrated really smoothly into his characterization in a way that fleshes him out a lot without feeling hokey or like they're trying to make you feel sorry for him.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:20
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Davincie posted:do you ever have anything better to say, or is using the stupid yikes emoticon as good as it gets As opposed to the great contribution offered by frequent antagonism?
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Apr 8, 2017 17:21
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Apr 8, 2017 17:22
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Endorph posted:
In my defence when I posted it the conversation was looking like it was going to go in a much goonier direction than it actually did.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:30
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Endorph posted:yeah, there's three scenes of sexual assault, and i think one of them is kind of tacky and unnecessary. it's a pretty dark manga that's been running for 30 years, iunno why it touching on that a handful of times is somehow bad in and of itself. it's not like game of thrones where it happens every other episode when the writers run out of ideas or something, or like schlock like goblin slayer where the first chapter is nothing but that. I like Berserk as a manga, but at the same time I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who found, say, Game of Thrones to be too squicky. Not to mention the fact that from what I remember the next arc the anime's going to cover is particularly squicky even by Berserk standards. It's the troll attack isn't it?
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Parallax posted:it isn't about necessity, berserk's scenes of sexual assault are hugely impactful on their characters and are a big part of the story. they aren't there to make the world dark and scary, they're there because the world is dark and scary and berserk is about characters finding ways to deal with those things
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Apr 8, 2017 17:35
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eh i found game of thrones way grosser than berserk, mostly just due to how things are written. even in its worst moments i never got the impression berserk was just tacking it on, it at least seemed to be trying to do something with it
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This discussion has made me remember this chain of posts:Endorph posted:i thought berserk was about the inevitably of getting hosed into braindamage Endorph posted:is berserk about the horrors of war? it just seems like guts wanders around, kills 100 dudes, and then the black lady gets braindamaged Endorph posted:i bingeread berserk and plutonis was right to call me a retard for not liking it which made me lol at the time, but also, seeing someone who generally has reasonable opinions change her mind made me consider actually reading it someday.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:41
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Waffleman_ posted:There have been two scary ladies within less than 8 minutes of Re:Creators so it's definitely a Hiroe Original. Show me the terrifying women.
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Apr 8, 2017 17:45
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Fangz posted:I'm sorry to keep this line of argument going but I rather resent the argument that making things dark necessitates having 'major scenes of sexual assault'. I can think of a pretty wide swathe of dark stuff I'm consumed, both fictional and historical, without any 'major scenes of sexual assault'. (And the thing in common between the ones that have them is usually that they are terrible works.) So going 'oh I can only think of three major scenes' is kinda jarring. The basis of darkness in literary works is characters being treated as objects. Drinking blood, making things from skin/hair/bones, enslaving them, manipulating them into doing things they find abhorrent, eating them, murdering them en-masse. All of which are awful and are all examples of dehumanization. In a setting where such things happen routinely, sexual assault occurring, as well, is a foregone conclusion. I agree that it can be over-used as a plot element (like in Game of Thrones, I'll agree), and I'll agree that showing it explicitly doesn't necessarily add that much to the level of darkness since it can typically be assumed, but I'll ask you- is it plausible to you, in your fictional/historical dark stuff, that the evil characters say "Oh, I'll murder you in the most slow and agonizing way I can think of, but don't worry, I won't touch your naughty bits"?
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Kytrarewn posted:is it plausible to you, in your fictional/historical dark stuff, that the evil characters say "Oh, I'll murder you in the most slow and agonizing way I can think of, but don't worry, I won't touch your naughty bits"? I think it's a case in which show dont tell can be safely ignored
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Kytrarewn posted:I'll ask you- is it plausible to you, in your fictional/historical dark stuff, that the evil characters say "Oh, I'll murder you in the most slow and agonizing way I can think of, but don't worry, I won't touch your naughty bits"? yes because it's written by a person who can put in and keep out whatever they want?
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Kytrarewn posted:The basis of darkness in literary works is characters being treated as objects. If you just omit the second half of that sentence then it's absolutely plausible. In the real world there isn't the one model for dehumanisation, for example while rape may well have happened during the holocaust, it would be generally an anomaly in the industrialised process of mass killing with its studious fixation on keeping clean from the Jews. There's also no rape in 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World. When I'm reading Joe Sacco's accounts I'm never thinking 'hmm, where's my rape scene'. When I'm reading Soviet memoirs where it's very clear the speakers may well have participated in rape but they don't talk about it except in the most circumspect terms, there's no loss of 'plausibility'. The darkness exists in what is not being said. Fangz fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Apr 8, 2017 18:18
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Kytrarewn posted:is it plausible to you, in your fictional/historical dark stuff, that the evil characters say "Oh, I'll murder you in the most slow and agonizing way I can think of, but don't worry, I won't touch your naughty bits"? "whether or not a scene has an interesting point that I hadn't considered before" >>>> "whether or not a scene is plausible", IMO Haven't watched/read Berserk so I can't really comment more specifically than that.
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Apr 8, 2017 18:27
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Fangz posted:If you just omit the second half of that sentence then it's absolutely plausible. did you somehow forget all the sexual violence in brave new world
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just going back to the previous conversation about Anime Strike it's me I'm the sucker paying $5/mo for it and I agree that it really should be included with prime but Amazon seems to be making prime users pay for extra stuff in general, looking at what they used to offer in the music streaming & kindle sections that you have to pay a subscription for now. I think I'd probably rather have the option to pay a la carte for the stuff I want to use vs having my whole prime sub price jump up to cover all of it but if it went the other direction it might feel like I was getting more free stuff so I dunno. They're getting quite a few of the shows I want to watch so it made sense to go ahead and add it, but I totally agree that their site navigation is rear end and it's virtually impossible to find anything if it's not on the landing page.
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Davincie posted:did you somehow forget all the sexual violence in brave new world Maybe. It's been a while, remind me where there's a rape scene. I couldn't remember anything and google throws up an essay saying categorically "no rapes occur in Brave New World as there is no thirst for power or control". Spiritus Nox posted:"whether or not a scene has an interesting point that I hadn't considered before" >>>> "whether or not a scene is plausible", IMO Also this. Fangz fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Endorph posted:eh i found game of thrones way grosser than berserk, mostly just due to how things are written. even in its worst moments i never got the impression berserk was just tacking it on, it at least seemed to be trying to do something with it Game of Thrones is the king of maximizing exploitation with minimal justification. It's gore porn, torture porn, sadness porn, and actual porn all rolled up into one big shiny ball of poop. But it's some really spectacular poop that technically is justified but not really. Berserk is a far more mature story. In the 97' series, the sexual assault scene at the end was a huge deal for Griffith and Guts's characterizations and was the defining end point of the Band of Hawks story arc. It wasn't just there to be gross and exploitative. Unfortunately the show ends there so I'd need to read the manga to know how things move forward from there. Everything Burrito posted:just going back to the previous conversation about Anime Strike it's me I'm the sucker paying $5/mo for it and I agree that it really should be included with prime but Amazon seems to be making prime users pay for extra stuff in general, looking at what they used to offer in the music streaming & kindle sections that you have to pay a subscription for now. I think I'd probably rather have the option to pay a la carte for the stuff I want to use vs having my whole prime sub price jump up to cover all of it but if it went the other direction it might feel like I was getting more free stuff so I dunno. They're getting quite a few of the shows I want to watch so it made sense to go ahead and add it, but I totally agree that their site navigation is rear end and it's virtually impossible to find anything if it's not on the landing page. I'm sort of on the line about it, but what keeps me from doing it is the fact that there is no service platform. It's just some janky rear end poo poo haphazardly shoved into the Amazon Prime platform.
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He kills himself as the result of an orgy and I can't remember if he was willing to participate or got slipped pleasure drugs
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Everything Burrito posted:just going back to the previous conversation about Anime Strike it's me I'm the sucker paying $5/mo for it and I agree that it really should be included with prime but Amazon seems to be making prime users pay for extra stuff in general, looking at what they used to offer in the music streaming & kindle sections that you have to pay a subscription for now. I think I'd probably rather have the option to pay a la carte for the stuff I want to use vs having my whole prime sub price jump up to cover all of it but if it went the other direction it might feel like I was getting more free stuff so I dunno. They're getting quite a few of the shows I want to watch so it made sense to go ahead and add it, but I totally agree that their site navigation is rear end and it's virtually impossible to find anything if it's not on the landing page. If I had prime, I'd probably add strike, at least for this season, even with the navigation problems and such folks have brought up, but they'd have to license a lot more anime to get me to pay $160/year for it.
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Everything Burrito posted:just going back to the previous conversation about Anime Strike it's me I'm the sucker paying $5/mo for it and I agree that it really should be included with prime but Amazon seems to be making prime users pay for extra stuff in general, looking at what they used to offer in the music streaming & kindle sections that you have to pay a subscription for now. I think I'd probably rather have the option to pay a la carte for the stuff I want to use vs having my whole prime sub price jump up to cover all of it but if it went the other direction it might feel like I was getting more free stuff so I dunno. They're getting quite a few of the shows I want to watch so it made sense to go ahead and add it, but I totally agree that their site navigation is rear end and it's virtually impossible to find anything if it's not on the landing page. Strike needs to be detached from Prime. I pay for Prime and understand that doesn't really cover all the free stuff you do get, so I'm fine if they want to offer services a la carte. The problem is it's a huge cost for people outside current Prime members and so severely limits accessibility.
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I have prime already and am considering adding Strike too, but so far i only know one freaking show i'm (probably) going to be watching and i have to decide if it's worth the 5 bux just for that. Maybe there's actually lots of shows, but i can't loving tell because the layout is garbage. It's just like...as someone who once thought of making a living creating things, i prefer actually paying for creative things if it's reasonable.
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dogsicle posted:Strike needs to be detached from Prime. I pay for Prime and understand that doesn't really cover all the free stuff you do get, so I'm fine if they want to offer services a la carte. The problem is it's a huge cost for people outside current Prime members and so severely limits accessibility. Yeah, it's a yearly $110-160 if you're not already with prime for a service whose offerings are comprised of noitima and whatever sentai felt like putting on amazon this season.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:21
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Something like half the population of the US has Prime. Amazon gives no fucks.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:33
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Your Name was good! Oh my gosh!
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Helter Skelter posted:Something like half the population of the US has Prime. Amazon gives no fucks. and I'd rather pay a company for anime that nominally gives a gently caress about anime, so maybe Amazon is out of the question.
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dogsicle posted:Strike needs to be detached from Prime. I pay for Prime and understand that doesn't really cover all the free stuff you do get, so I'm fine if they want to offer services a la carte. The problem is it's a huge cost for people outside current Prime members and so severely limits accessibility. I was actually under the impression it was so yeah I can see that being a huge barrier to entry. I thought their new "stations" or whatever were just a thing if you wanted like Showtime or whatever you could just get that but I had obviously not looked into it further. Will say prime is super nice to have, does it still work where if you go in as a 4-person group you can all get the streaming stuff? I know people used to do that in SAmart all the time.
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Allarion posted:Idolm@ster starts at the top of the next hour!
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Endorph posted:eh i found game of thrones way grosser than berserk, mostly just due to how things are written. even in its worst moments i never got the impression berserk was just tacking it on, it at least seemed to be trying to do something with it Wyald? The various adaptations do always seem to find him an easy cut. The rape horse does also seem like the sort of beastie where you could change the particular sort of threat it presents without losing much.
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Apr 8, 2017 20:30
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Here's a Re:Creators thread.
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Apr 8, 2017 20:40
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Your Name was really good and I am very glad it has a US run that's larger than one night in tiny arthouse theaters.
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Nobody else here is going to like Eromanga-Sensei, since it hits on just about every plot element people love to hate, but I think it's got potential.
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Waffleman_ posted:Your Name was good! Oh my gosh! Dubbed or subbed?
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Agronox posted:Dubbed or subbed? I saw it dubbed.
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i saw it subbed last night and it was really good. a few issues where the subs (esp. for songs) seemed to be missing words/clarity and one line where sake was replaced with saké, but those are relatively minor to me. it's definitely an adjustment to watch anime on that big of a screen and have subs that far down on the picture though. the movie itself is absolutely worth watching in a theatre though. great scenery, some really nice dips into different styles of animation, and there's a lot of good character animation as well. i liked the presentation of the body swapping and was genuinely taken aback by the twist (though it's foreshadowed enough for less passive viewers). the ending is very typical and so it was kinda boring, but the rest of the story is carried so well by the two leads and various friends/family members around them. you can definitely tell they're pushing a RADWIMPS album though, some of the music works well as used in the film but i (and others i've seen post) found some of the songs to be intrusive.
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StrixNebulosa posted:What... is anti-anime? I knew I was going to get poo poo on for this, but no, I did not imply deconstruction as it would mean it's actively engaging what anime is. While I can appreciate anime with tropes and cliches included, Episode 0 had a refreshing lack of stereotypical anime poo poo in it and Episode 1 had a total mood whiplash. I know live action is a choice, but I can appreciate a show that considers animation just a delivery method, not a stylistic choice, especially as it can be used to deliver stories on a budget that would be extremely campy or limited otherwise.
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Love Kome was bad, not worth the 4 minutes. Love Tyrant (Ren'ai Boukun) was okay. Very much dumb reference humor, but it worked well enough for the first episode.
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