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Volkerball posted:How did the no fly zone in Iraq make things worse for Kurds. The no-fly zone in Iraq didn't have the complicating factor of the Russian air force, or the Kremlin supporting Saddam.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:09
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Volkerball posted:What they were upset about was the way the occupation was carried out. the us is incapable of carrying out effective, constructive occupations on nations of people they see as inherently inferior, which explains why they never have had one apart from the marshall plan this is why it is irresponsible and idiotic to expect anything to be different when seeing the start of this familiar process of acting as unilateral police force against rogue nations
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Apr 8, 2017 23:14
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Majorian posted:The no-fly zone in Iraq didn't have the complicating factor of the Russian air force, or the Kremlin supporting Saddam. It's not as complicating as you would like to think. Prior to this bombing, you were probably describing this sort of strike as an act of war that would lead to WW3, and instead, absolutely nothing happened. A vague interpretation of avoiding conflict with Russia is not an excuse to do gently caress all for the people of Syria.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:14
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Alternative option: I'm no longer a mod, so you can put me on your ignore list. That's actually not an option if you have current moderators on your ignore list from back before they became moderators. 
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Apr 8, 2017 23:17
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Rodatose posted:the us is incapable of carrying out effective, constructive occupations on nations of people they see as inherently inferior, which explains why they never have had one apart from the marshall plan I haven't seen any Syrians ask for an invasion. That's why bringing occupations and Iraq into it over-generalizes the situation into broad detached white boi talking points. Nobody even listens to Syrians. They think they can talk over them instead.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:18
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Randler posted:That's actually not an option if you have current moderators on your ignore list from back before they became moderators. Have you tried emptying and then repopulating your ignore list?
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Apr 8, 2017 23:17
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Have you tried emptying and then repopulating your ignore list? Emptying is not an option, as that would affect my ability to ignore moderators as well. 
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Volkerball posted:It's not as complicating as you would like to think. It actually is, and the fact that Turkey shot down a Russian plane not too long ago and only narrowly avoided a war with them probably should clue you in a bit more. Russian and American pilots squaring off and killing one another is, in fact, the way that wars get started, even if they're proxy wars. quote:Prior to this bombing, you were probably describing this sort of strike as an act of war that would lead to WW3, Nope. I did question what good it would do, and still do. I was slightly hopeful in the immediate aftermath that the strike would yield good results until I found out that Trump had warned the Russians, who warned the Syrians, and Assad's ability to launch strikes on his own people had not been significantly impeded. Now, my chief concern is that Trump will feel compelled to do more, in an effort to show that he's strong and not a stupid weak manbaby, and that will lead to an occupation. quote:and instead, absolutely nothing happened. In the short-term, no. Absolutely nothing world-ending happened immediately after "shock and awe," either, but it's pretty dumb to judge the efficacy of the invasion based on that alone. Point is, further involvement will likely lead to a ground occupation to some degree, which will up the ante on the proxy war, and that will not be a good thing. Majorian fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Apr 8, 2017 23:20
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arms dealer with a golden heart and no long term plans for what happens next
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Apr 8, 2017 23:26
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i'm just surprised trump didn't do something a lot stupider like trying to bomb whatever the syrian white house equivalent is
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Apr 8, 2017 23:26
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I suppose Raytheon needs to make an TLAM anti-runway package.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:27
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fishmech posted:i'm just surprised trump didn't do something a lot stupider like trying to bomb whatever the syrian white house equivalent is I'm sure he wanted to, and the generals had to pull him back quite a bit.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:28
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fishmech posted:i'm just surprised trump didn't do something a lot stupider like trying to bomb whatever the syrian white house equivalent is Really? I'd actually be more surprised if Trump took his job seriously enough to think about what to hit with missiles. And I don't think we are at a point again, where the military/bureaucracy that actually drafts the plans is confident enough to just put something like that in.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:29
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Majorian posted:It actually is, and the fact that Turkey shot down a Russian plane not too long ago and only narrowly avoided a war with them probably should clue you in a bit more. Russian and American pilots squaring off and killing one another is, in fact, the way that wars get started, even if they're proxy wars. Narrowly avoided a war lmao. What planet the gently caress are you from. It barely even dented their relations. Like 2 months later people were arguing that Turkey was aligning with Russia because of how tight they were. quote:Nope. I did question what good it would do, and still do. I was slightly hopeful in the immediate aftermath that the strike would yield good results until I found out that Trump had warned the Russians, who warned the Syrians, and Assad's ability to launch strikes on his own people had not been significantly impeded. Now, my chief concern is that Trump will feel compelled to do more, in an effort to show that he's strong and not a stupid weak manbaby, and that will lead to an occupation. You can drop the Obama era talking points whenever. You want to be an effective voice against occupation? Salvage some of your credibility and recognize that diplomatic initiatives like the chemical weapons deal accomplished jack poo poo, and something needs to be done. And there's a lot of things that fall in that category short of another Iraq war or world war 3. If you're coming from that platform, you'd be a lot more difficult to just completely discount. As it stands, you just sound dogmatic.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:34
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The stupid poo poo caucus. I found it.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:39
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The airstrike was dumb and not given serious thought at all. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it
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Volkerball posted:Narrowly avoided a war lmao. What planet the gently caress are you from. It barely even dented their relations. Like 2 months later people were arguing that Turkey was aligning with Russia because of how tight they were. Ah yes, and just imagine how tight it will make our relations with Russia once we accidentally shoot down one of their planes, or they shoot down one of ours. You've clearly thought this through, vb. quote:You can drop the Obama era talking points whenever. You want to be an effective voice against occupation? Salvage some of your credibility and recognize that diplomatic initiatives like the chemical weapons deal accomplished jack poo poo, and something needs to be done. Indeed, backing another disastrously stupid occupation, led by another incredibly ignorant president - clearly the road to credibility, both for me personally, and for the U.S. internationally. e: Also OPCW managed to destroy a lot of Assad's chemical weapons; while he kept some of them hidden, the fact that he now has considerably less than he previously did is A Good Thing. Majorian fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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Apr 8, 2017 23:40
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i shoot high-caliber rifle rounds into the ground and then touch the earth in its bullet holes in a sexual manner
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Rodatose posted:i shoot high-caliber rifle rounds into the ground and then touch the earth in its bullet holes in a sexual manner rodatose parachute of vb confirmed????
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Apr 9, 2017 00:01
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Apr 9, 2017 00:02
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"diplomacy and multilateral actions like that dang obummer did were dumb. now let me tell you why gettin those handful of migs really -donnie "volkerball" trump
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Apr 9, 2017 00:04
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c h r i s t so how long before we start getting "history will vindicate trump" takes
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Apr 9, 2017 00:07
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 https://twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/850834055692259329 That's like the 3rd law of Trumpodynamics. Edit: stone cold posted:c h r i s t Historical Trump already wrote his own attack copy, LOL. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 00:07
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stone cold posted:c h r i s t we're already getting them from Repubs, and similar takes from neocon Dems
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Apr 9, 2017 00:08
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What the hell I take a few days off to play Game Of The Year Persona 5 and VB/AA combine into a lovely Voltron (Trolltron?) to terrorize dadchat.
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Apr 9, 2017 00:08
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Aves Maria! posted:we're already getting them from Repubs, and similar takes from neocon Dems "piss me yet?"
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stone cold posted:"piss me yet?" Disturbingly prescient Photoshop Phriday: 
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Apr 9, 2017 00:12
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"he became president today" i chirp as i furiously work dick cheney's withered shaft
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Apr 9, 2017 00:15
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Furnaceface posted:What the hell I take a few days off to play Game Of The Year Persona 5 and VB/AA combine into a lovely Voltron (Trolltron?) to terrorize dadchat.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Persona 5 is awesome, and most anime. I spend way too much time fusing demons to spread abilities around only to realize Im missing super important ones like the -unda skills and some boss wrecks my poo poo because he can self buff. Also only 5 levels away from being able to fuse a Mara. Nothing says anime like a giant penis riding a chariot.
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Apr 9, 2017 01:04
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Persona 5 is awesome, and most anime. Actually, Persona is bad, because the success of the Persona series means we have to wait even longer for a proper SMT. 
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Apr 9, 2017 01:16
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Randler posted:Actually, Persona is bad, because the success of the Persona series means we have to wait even longer for a proper SMT.
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Apr 9, 2017 01:39
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Play Persona 5 and be happy. I will. Once Atlus ports it to PC.
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Apr 9, 2017 01:41
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Volkerball posted:All the "non-unbearable people" must've forgot to give you your slack invite. Got lost in the email lmao. that's not where the non-unbearable people are
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Apr 9, 2017 01:45
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Randler posted:I will. Once Atlus ports it to PC. If you dont have a PS4 why are you even complaining about the lack of a proper SMT game? Also I have hope that we get another Devil Summoner game. Or a new Nocturne for me to get angry at because holy poo poo that game was loving hard. Its their 20th anniversary, they are probably going to try and do something special outside of Persona and the re-release of Strange Journey.
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Furnaceface posted:If you dont have a PS4 why are you even complaining about the lack of a proper SMT game? Because a proper mainline SMT might get me to buy the respective console, while Persona 5 would not.
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