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ThePeavstenator posted:Paradoxical Outcome was able to shake up Vintage so there's definitely metagame shifts when the appropriate cards get added to the format. And the people who play those formats will bitch incessantly every time any card makes it in. While still boasting about the most diverse format! 
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SoftNum posted:And the people who play those formats will bitch incessantly every time any card makes it in. ....examples?
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I suppose he's talking about Mentor aka the best deck in the format by far? There aren't any other recent cards that people really complain about.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:04
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Sickening posted:So is it just the lack of players or is it another reason there is so little brewing in legacy? The format changes a lot. For instance the new BUG build is different. Eldrazi is a thing that exists now. Delver variants have died, as has omnitell a little. Cards that have come in over the past few years LotV DRS Abrupt Decay RiP Grizelbrand Terminus Entreat TNN Leopold Snapcaster Delver Thalia Cavern Lingering souls Graffdiggers Basically anything from RtR or Innistrad, everything else sucks.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:06
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MM17 owns, I wish I was better at drafting because I want an excuse to crack those packs but I don't want to pay $30 to go 0-3/1-2 every time.UberJew posted:imo the most disgusting thing about that deck is that mishra's bauble is a card that does as close to nothing as any card possibly can and should be a ten cent common like bone saw I don't think core sets are coming back while Masters sets exist, especially since Wizards can sell those packs for over 2x what regular expansion boosters cost. Masterpieces too, albeit to a lesser extent. I think if the Masters sets continue trending in the direction that they are, it'll be worth it. I do miss core sets because like you said for a long time they were the easiest, perhaps only, way to reprint cards that referenced specific settings.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:09
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Errant Gin Monks posted:The format changes a lot. For instance the new BUG build is different. Eldrazi is a thing that exists now. Monastery Mentor, Swiftspear, Fatal Push, Tasigur, Gurmag Angler, JVP, Tireless Tracker, Thought Knot Seer, Reality Smasher, Sanctum Prelate, Recruiter of the Guard, Palace Jailer, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, Council's Judgement, Scavenging Ooze, Baleful Strix, Shardless Agent, Warping Wail, Kolaghan's Command, Walking Balista, I'm probably missing stuff but you get the point. There are tons of new cards added to Legacy all the time.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:11
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SoftNum posted:And the people who play those formats will bitch incessantly every time any card makes it in. That's just suicidesteve
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Sampatrick posted:I suppose he's talking about Mentor aka the best deck in the format by far? There aren't any other recent cards that people really complain about. The problem with Mentor is Gush, which isn't exactly a new card. I haven't heard anyone complain about Walking Ballista except for the idiots on Twitch chat who cry every time Shops wins a match. Paradoxical Outcome is legitimately format warping and there's a non-zero chance it'll need to be restricted if Mentor gets nerfed. Mentor only has a favorable matchup because it's been main-decking Stony Silences. Same for Shops. The last new legacy cards people complained about were like, Cruise and Dig. And nobody can argue that they didn't completely warp the format. Or they can but they'll be wrong. I complain about Leovold because he's everything I hate about this game but it's not like he needs to be banned right now or anything. Sigma-X posted:Terminus needs to get removed though Agreed. Play a 4 mana Wrath like everyone else. TheKingofSprings posted:That's just suicidesteve I'm still waiting for an actual example that's wasn't completely format warping.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:27
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Did Jim Davis just tell a story about his opponent taking too long during turns against him in his deck tech? If so 
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SoftNum posted:And the people who play those formats will bitch incessantly every time any card makes it in. I'm still bitter about Tarmogoyf
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C-Euro posted:
I thought they changed the setting of the core sets to Shandalar.
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Apr 8, 2017 20:24
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Sixfools posted:I thought they changed the setting of the core sets to Shandalar. A lot of the cards that were newly printed for core sets were from Shandalar but they still also had reprints from all over like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
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Apr 8, 2017 20:28
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Elyv posted:there is a miracles player in thunderdome I'm actually usually way up on time on people on xmage in timed matches because I use the skip to end step key consistently. I'm also usually way up on time on MTGO and pretty much never draw in paper, though, so maybe I'm just faster than the average Miracles player?
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One thing I miss about core sets is that it allowed them to do more generic fantasy designs. Now everything has to be tied to the specific plane they're visiting. Commander products still let them do it so we occasionally get a flesh carver or ophiomancer but it's less common now. Those type of designs remind me of early magic.
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Rogue0071 posted:I'm actually usually way up on time on people on xmage in timed matches because I use the skip to end step key consistently. I'm also usually way up on time on MTGO and pretty much never draw in paper, though, so maybe I'm just faster than the average Miracles player? Most miracles players are fine. Bad miracles players are the problem.
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Apr 8, 2017 21:04
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Pontius Pilate posted:One thing I miss about core sets is that it allowed them to do more generic fantasy designs. Now everything has to be tied to the specific plane they're visiting. Commander products still let them do it so we occasionally get a flesh carver or ophiomancer but it's less common now. Those type of designs remind me of early magic. Return to Shandalar
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Got a spicy one for modern today; Get Hardifacts 3 Memnite 3 Ornithopter 4 Arcbound Worker 4 Hangarback Walker 4 Walking Ballista 4 Arcbound Ravager 4 Winding Constrictor 3 Steel Overseer 4 Hardened Scales 3 Springleaf Drum 3 Mox Opal 2 Cranial Plating 1 Llanowar Reborn 1 Ruins of Oran Rief 4 Inkmoth Nexus 4 Spire of Industry 4 Blooming Marsh 4 Darksteel Citadel 1 Forest Sideboard 2 Natural State 2 Abrupt Decay 4 Fatal Push 1 Steel Overseer 4 Thoughtsieze 2 Scrap Trawler An evolution of one of the ones I posted before, it's actually really sick. I'm like 22-5 with it on XMage, because MODO is a tool of bourgeois oppression, but actually playing tier-decks. I've beaten both varieties of Eldrazi, opposing Affinity, Death's Shadow, Grixis, Burn... it actually has game without Snake or Scales, definitely recommend giving it a try
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Sampatrick posted:Monastery Mentor, Swiftspear, Fatal Push, Tasigur, Gurmag Angler, JVP, Tireless Tracker, Thought Knot Seer, Reality Smasher, Sanctum Prelate, Recruiter of the Guard, Palace Jailer, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, Council's Judgement, Scavenging Ooze, Baleful Strix, Shardless Agent, Warping Wail, Kolaghan's Command, Walking Balista, I'm probably missing stuff but you get the point. There are tons of new cards added to Legacy all the time. Yeah I'm not arguing against that. It's the only format I play really
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sit on my Facebook posted:Got a spicy one for modern today; I like this. May give it a run on modo. Why only three opals?
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mossyfisk posted:What blocks actually had their draft formats improved by the small sets? There's plenty of examples of second sets improving draft formats, including the 3 most recent blocks. Third sets have a much worse record, Theros is arguably the only block where the 3rd set saved the limited format rather than ruining it.
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Theros at least gets some credit for being the set where draw smoothing and flood insurance become pretty standard in limited.
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Alaan posted:Theros at least gets some credit for being the set where draw smoothing and flood insurance become pretty standard in limited. they still haven't fully learned this lesson though since Kaladesh had way too little of either. i know that they were trying to highlight energy which takes the place of mana sinks but the end result was that you had no way to come back from drawing excess lands in most games luckily Amonkhet looks like it's on the Theros end of things with cycling and two flashback variants Tales of Woe fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy do we have any of those in here
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy Games of paper Legacy are hard to find IRL, and it's an expensive format. There's my hot take from somebody who owns one Legacy deck and has never gotten to play it in person.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy The only reason Legacy is "diverse" is because there hasn't been a pro level format and no good players have been motivated to break it.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy i want to get a bunch of fakes to play legacy irl but i'm worried people will wonder why i just showed up with a bunch of duals or a tabernacle or whatever 75% sure most of them play with fakes already because it's gotten really popular suddenly but i don't want to straight up ask them little munchkin fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy Gush would be safe to unban. anglachel posted:Games of paper Legacy are hard to find IRL, and it's an expensive format. There's my hot take from somebody who owns one Legacy deck and has never gotten to play it in person. Wow this take is so hot you could cook a pizza on it! I haven't played sanctioned Magic in like, a month, and it's because legacy is dying where I live. If either of my legacy playing friends are busy I don't even bother going because it's so much less likely to fire when we're down 2 people. The store owner is 100% positive it's because everyone is mad that EMA tanked some cards that it barely even touched and not because our $150 duals are now $300 and nobody can afford them so nobody replaces the people we naturally lose over time to their cards having tripled in price since they bought them. But he still refuses to allow proxies so those of us who gave him $several thousand for these cards can actually play with them. So vintage is completely dead and legacy is ~50% to fire every Friday. little munchkin posted:i want to get a bunch of fakes to play legacy irl but i'm worried people will wonder why i just showed up with a bunch of duals or a tabernacle or whatever You bought a collection on Craigslist and hit the jackpot. Nobody is going to give you crap at FNM.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy The only reason legacy ever took off is because cube hadn't been invented yet
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy They should unban Treasure Cruise.
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Attorney at Funk posted:They should unban Treasure Cruise. Unironically they should unban Dig Through Time. Sure, it'll ruin the format but I'll be able to play RUG Delver.
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the period of months where you could play more ancestral recalls in legacy then vintage were good and wonderful and also the only time the format was good
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mandatory lesbian posted:the period of months where you could play more ancestral recalls in legacy then vintage were good and wonderful and also the only time the format was good Cruise was banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage at the same time, so you could play 4 in Legacy but 5 in Vintage  suicidesteve posted:Unironically they should unban Dig Through Time. Sure, it'll ruin the format but I'll be able to play RUG Delver. I liked U/R Cruise Delver in Modern because it was a really affordable Tier 1 deck 
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Attorney at Funk posted:I liked U/R Cruise Delver in Modern because it was a really affordable Tier 1 deck I liked it because I had a high 90% win rate against it with RW Soul Sisters and bought into legacy online just playing that deck. You know it's a good match-up when they resolve 5 Treasure Cruises and still lose.
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anglachel posted:Games of paper Legacy are hard to find IRL, and it's an expensive format. There's my hot take from somebody who owns one Legacy deck and has never gotten to play it in person. I play legacy in a 20 person tournament p much every week or so, it depends on where you are. The format is fun as hell and honestly if the cards were cheaper it would be the most popular format in magic. Like miracles is a gently caress, but it's getting beat down by new leovold decks, so maybe the wheel is spinning (it isn't, ban CB)
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i'm here for the opinions on legacy from people that don't play legacy I'm building a Legacy deck! But it's a cheapo Reanimator variant (cheaper than BR) and I don't know where to play Legacy around here  I wish I could
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I used to play Legacy every Wednesday in Laramie and knew of a few places in Denver I could play Legacy weekly. Then I had to sell my whole stack of cards.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Cruise was banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage at the same time, so you could play 4 in Legacy but 5 in Vintage take your "facts' and "basic truths" and keep them away from me!!!!
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cycling is very cool and fun, i missed it a lot. its fun playing with the cycling basics in pauper and street wraith tho.
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more people would play legacy if they realized their standard and modern decks were legacy legal. problem solved. one time I played "legacy" and t2 I played a deadly recluse and the guy looked at me like I just murdered his entire family
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