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FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

Kurtofan posted:

well they live in japan 2017
It's good to speak out against homophobia, but don't then turn around and lump together 120 million people and talk poo poo about them all in the same breath. It doesn't help anything.

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ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

I'm still in the intro to arc 5 or whatever you wanna call it but man Haru has so many red flags to being a mole/villain that like... I'll actually be surprised if she just genuinely a airhead.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Holy poo poo Haru's voice is annoying

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

FractalSandwich posted:

It's good to speak out against homophobia, but don't then turn around and lump together 120 million people and talk poo poo about them all in the same breath. It doesn't help anything.

Sorry, yeah, you're right.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Do you get the money in negotiations if you push things too far and they get pissed

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

for starters there's some actual good news out of japan in that regard. like recently a gay couple in shibuya was able to adopt a child.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Do you get the money in negotiations if you push things too far and they get pissed

Yes, if you're that much stronger than an enemy it's super worth it to just keep pushing them, get them mad, and then kill them for the exp too.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

last dungeon spoilers the reveal of real igor was pretty funny imo, and i bet alot of the people who hate his new voice are going to enjoy that

Dackel
Sep 11, 2014


Heath posted:

Is it worth it to hang out with someone if they're not going to rank up on that visit or does it just waste time?

They also sometimes give you gifts if you take them to places they like. Then again, you should just get Fortune Rank 7 because you get the option to make someone like you for 5k Yen and it doesn't progress time

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


I have beaten the game, AMA.

Spoilers for stray thoughts, don't mouse over it until you've beaten the game idiots:

It took me 80 hours. Probably closer to like, 90 after resets. I was around level 72 when I fought the final boss, so several characters didn't have their final skills. My final party was Ryuji, Makoto, Haru, and Trumpeter/Satan. Final boss theme was pretty dull. Come on, after the absolutely phenomenal Rivers in the Desert with Shido and the Holy Grail, that's what we're going with for the final fight?

I dated Futaba 'cause she's cool. All the other girls were cool too, but I'm no cheater.

I liked the English VA for everyone. Shoutouts to Goro's for absoluly nailing his voiceclips in his Loki form. Speaking of Goro, I won't say he being the traitor was unexpected, but I figured the twist would be that he wasn't the traitor, so. Baal's av made me laugh when I went back to look at it. I did react when he mentioned the pancakes, but didn't really think too much about it. Fair enough to have the drugs make the MC into an unreliable narrator.

Evil Igor was fun, glad they did that. Nyarlathotep?!?!?!?!? Yaldabaoth was fine for a final boss, but I guess it was the music that made him feel a bit lacking. Best final boss Persona upgrade though.

The Casino had the best dungeon music in the series, holy poo poo the funk.

Ryuji was awesome to start with, but he never really grew. He never loving apologized to Mona either, the gently caress dude, I really wanted to punch him at that point. Almost as much damage as the MC though which is no mean feat. Ann, hilariously enough, turned out to be the most Chie of the group. Both of them really became less important as the story progressed. Morgana was pretty okay, basically Teddie 2.0, so better, but not my favorite. Sat in the backseat to heal everyone but I had to call him in a few times to heal the party when Makoto wasn't enough. Makoto was loving great, I like her place in the story and her growth, her skills made her an excellent jack of all trades, and she never fell off in terms of either gameplay or story. I turned out to really like Haru, she was cool and funny and sweet. She wasn't quite as versatile as Makoto and wasn't really all that important but hey. Goro best boy.

Whoops, I forgot to write my thoughts on Yusuke, which I guess could tell you my opinion about him. I didn't much care for him. Sorry, I know many think he's great, but I didn't find him engaging in either a story or gameplay perspective, and Mercer didn't do anything particularly special with the role.

Terper fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Apr 9, 2017

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

Captain Baal posted:

Holy poo poo Haru's voice is annoying

Does she have a lisp?

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
No, it's just really high-pitched and wispy.

White Rabbit
Sep 8, 2004

We Do Not Sow.

Terper posted:

I have beaten the game, AMA.

Ok! I dont own the game and I've never played a Persona / SMT game ever. Barely ever touched the FF series either. Still I'm very interested in any game that gathers such great opinions so I'm just about to give P5 a try.

So I'm not a JRPG enthusiast but I do like me a HARD game, love skill walls in Souls games, love roguelikes. I dont expect perma-death in P5 but tell me, is the game difficult or is it more of a grind through story/dungeons/fights at a steady pace? Is there a game over screen and how often do you see it? is the difficulty based on skill and knowledge of how the game works or min-maxing stats based on player guides?

Basically I understand this is story driven but will I find an honest challenge in it?

cheers

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


I played it on Normal, and I found the difficulty to be "good" for me. It's not a particularly difficult game; I never died on any boss fight and most of my deaths happened because of, well, bad luck. You get so many outs later in the game that it's actually really difficult to die even when you mess up. The game's at its most difficult when you try to go through the first dungeon in a single day (which I did, go me). Main character death is still game over, and it's really the only time it's gonna happen. Again, though, didn't play it on Hard so I couldn't tell you. You do need some "skill" to the game, but it's mostly trying to keep buffs and debuffs up.

I hated SMT4s battles because they were way too feast or famine, and this game gives you a lot of opportunities to bounce back in straight fights, so I dig it more. But then I'm not really all that into difficult stuff. But no, it's not a particularly "difficult" game, and I beat every dungeon in a single day whenever that was possible.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


I gotta sacrifice an entire day to go to Momentos so that I can do the request for Fortune but I don't wanna.

Or I could just leave her poo poo forever and do it when I have a stack of requests. Decisions decisions.

I'm already salty as gently caress (no pun) about giving her 100k when I could have gotten two invigorate 3 accessories out of that which would be stupid useful in the long run. Not a fan of how this link is gated.

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


does the story become interesting at some point, i'm mid-June and it feels pretty aimless still

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

Maya Fey posted:

does the story become interesting at some point, i'm mid-June and it feels pretty aimless still
I'll get to the point in a minute, Ms. Niijima. You asked me not to leave anything out.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


I've just gotten to July and the obvious antagonist players are all starting to make themselves more known and present in the story now, so it seems like it probably starts amping up around then somewhat. Which is maybe why Atlus say stop streaming after 7/7, I guess.

FractalSandwich posted:

I'll get to the point in a minute, Ms. Niijima. You asked me not to leave anything out.

MC:"And the, on 5/27, Ryuji and I both went and hung out in the courtyard at the school, but my confidant bubble says I can't rank up yet"
Sae: "Hang on, you keep talking about this. What the gently caress do you mean confident bubble and why do you give all of your friendships arbitrary levels and how you can some how tell when people will like you more?"
MC: "I dunno, I just can. Anyway, we just stood around but didn't say anything because no speech bubbles popped up. Then I went home and made some coffee and my guardian said it tasted had a bad flavour profile which probably means it tasted like poo poo but he started liking me more then I went to bed and then on 5/28..."
Sae: "..."

Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Apr 9, 2017

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


Josuke Higashikata posted:

I've just gotten to July and the obvious antagonist players are all starting to make themselves more known and present in the story now, so it seems like it probably starts amping up around then somewhat. Which is maybe why Atlus say stop streaming after 7/7, I guess.

alright that's good too know

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


I'd say the story is consistently more engaging than P3 and P4 because you're more proactive this time around.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Ah yes, the fifth dungeon my most hated enemy.

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Meow?
I hate the cops.
Time to button mash.

This game has some good rear end dialogue choices.

I'm a dad.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Oh poo poo I just got to the end of Palace 5 and poo poo is getting so loving real, goddamn.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013



i'm pretty sure i saw a moms are tough-esque line in here somewhere too.
parenting is powerful

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Jesus Christ Rivers in the Desert is so loving good.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

I spent ~thirteen and a half hours straight playing this yesterday. Very powerful game.

Ryuji is boring, Ann and Morgana are great, Matt Mercer is neat but also kind of boring, I can't wait for more party members to show up.

Sacro
Jul 21, 2008

I was somewhere around the middle of page 86 in the Cognitive Dissonance thread when the drugs began to take hold.

only only only only only only
Seems like you want to get Sun to rank 2 and no higher if you just want to farm monies as much as possible. The red choice that pops up at rank 3 is detrimental. You want to press for money once and all out attack if it's not a large amount, if it is a large amount press for money until it doesn't work. Also make sure you get the money reading for palace days.

It's not a massive loss of money to rank Sun up but 3 isn't what you should shoot for for money.

Sacro fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Apr 9, 2017

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

How do you all out attack after pressing for money once? I just have the option of ending it or pressing again.

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.

The Shortest Path posted:

How do you all out attack after pressing for money once? I just have the option of ending it or pressing again.

Press Triangle, it'll trigger one even though you're in the negotiation menu.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

My only Persona 5 regret is that I'll probably finish this by next weekend.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Who else immediately turned around and tried to button mash IRL?

Mine just kinda looked at me like I was an idiot and went back to sleep.

bewilderment
Nov 22, 2007
man what



Sacro posted:

Seems like you want to get Sun to rank 2 and no higher if you just want to farm monies as much as possible. The red choice that pops up at rank 3 is detrimental. You want to press for money once and all out attack if it's not a large amount, if it is a large amount press for money until it doesn't work. Also make sure you get the money reading for palace days.

It's not a massive loss of money to rank Sun up but 3 isn't what you should shoot for for money.

It's worth ranking Sun up anyway on a first playthrough because in addition to the boost to Sun personas (actually there aren't many of these, I had to look up how to fuse the lowest level one out of a Pixie and a Hua Po) it's free Charm every time, and you need that for Death, Priestess and probably something else too.

Calihan
Jan 6, 2008
Man, what is up with Sojiro's social link? Seems be the slowest by far to gain affinity and level up.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Calihan posted:

Man, what is up with Sojiro's social link? Seems be the slowest by far to gain affinity and level up.

First he levels up really slow, then you get plot locked, then you get max Kindness locked. He's probably the biggest pain in the rear end to level up.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Pollyanna posted:

Who else immediately turned around and tried to button mash IRL?

Mine just kinda looked at me like I was an idiot and went back to sleep.

I did this. He seemed to appreciate it.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Captain Oblivious posted:

Final boss of palace 4 got a four hit combo off of successive crits, killing Joker in the process.

The boss had a barely visible sliver of health left. :shepicide:

I had the boss on the ropes, and then I discovered that Despair isn't JUST an SP-drain status effect.

Joker succumbed...

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
The plot is definitely dragging itself through July. Lots of hinting at things and cutscenes with people on phones to mysterious people then cut back to kids getting more self confidence or whatever for a few more weeks. Also at this point I think Ryuji is going to no longer be content to simply yell in public and will show up in August with custom made Phantom Thieves team jackets for you all to wear around.

Also everyone not officially in the cool kids club, or at least on the periphery, is the worst possible human being on the planet. Momentos should be nothing but wall-to-wall bosses featuring everyone in the drat city at this rate.

Josuke Higashikata posted:

MC:"And the, on 5/27, Ryuji and I both went and hung out in the courtyard at the school, but my confidant bubble says I can't rank up yet"
Sae: "Hang on, you keep talking about this. What the gently caress do you mean confident bubble and why do you give all of your friendships arbitrary levels and how you can some how tell when people will like you more?"
MC: "I dunno, I just can. Anyway, we just stood around but didn't say anything because no speech bubbles popped up. Then I went home and made some coffee and my guardian said it tasted had a bad flavour profile which probably means it tasted like poo poo but he started liking me more then I went to bed and then on 5/28..."
Sae: "..."

Chihaya: Are you psychic?
*time travel transition shot to present*
Sae: Wait, why the hell would I care about the stupid fortune teller?
*time travel transition shot back*

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
The thing where the whole party dies if Joker dies, even if you have Revive items in inventory, is straight up rear end. It makes the enemy's apparently-random target selection become critical to party survival.

Also, for the first palace, has the plot been changed/censored from the Japanese? It's bizarre that the latter half of the dungeon is overtly sexual (as in "FFS I'm fighting a severed penis head that's called Torn King of Desire") but in fact there's no suggestion Shiho was raped - just beaten up - and the coach's final confession had nothing to do with sexual mistreatment.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
"super salty" thanks localization team. Someone knows their audience.

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Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
I can see gifts in shops but I've never gotten a tutorial about using them so I assumed they were gated or something. But I've just finished the 3rd palace and still haven't gotten any indication that I can use them yet. Are they only for later ranks in slinks or should I buy some now?

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