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How much VX released over Seoul is an acceptable amount?
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Apr 9, 2017 18:02
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Mr. Nice! posted:There is absolutely zero chance that even if they do have 10,000 artillery that they are all manned and operational. Also you don't have to move a ton of assets to perform these strikes. A single small boy plenty of VLS cells filled with tomahawks not to mention any SSBGs that might be in the area. You're still short on offensive power. I'll ask again: how much iron does NK have to throw over the border to make an allied first strike a bad idea?
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Apr 9, 2017 18:03
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How much VX released over Seoul is an acceptable amount? Zero and I'm not trying to imply anything else. Godholio posted:You're still short on offensive power. I'll ask again: how much iron does NK have to throw over the border to make an allied first strike a bad idea? I don't know the numbers, and I'm not saying that a first strike is a good idea. I'm saying that NK's supposed 10k artillery isn't an issue since the vast majority of it (if it even still exists) is old, decrepit, and unmanned. If there was modern, manned, tested, and operational conventional ordnance on the other side of the border, then I would think differently. The real risk are various short range missiles that the north has.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:07
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Solaris 2.0 posted:No loving way. You have incorrectly used "literally" twice on the same page and I'm gonna gently caress you up if you do it again.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:08
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Oh I agree that their artillery isn't as bad as it's made out to be, in that it's not going to be the first priority for targeting. It's still gonna have some teeth regardless tho
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Apr 9, 2017 18:08
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quote:North Korea possesses some 700 long-range artillery pieces — Koksan 170 mm howitzers and 240 mm multiple rocket launchers — that are capable of bombarding Seoul. I think that 10,000 number is a tad overblown. Not that 700 artillery pieces can't do a gently caress ton of damage.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:12
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Solaris 2.0 posted:No loving way. No balls. In slightly smaller news. AK will commission its first new asset this week. Still cant do poo poo with it up north and it will have to run from the weather but hey its a start. http://www.sitnews.us/0317News/031717/031717_uscg_cutter_jm.html
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Apr 9, 2017 18:14
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Flikken posted:I think that 10,000 number is a tad overblown. Not that 700 artillery pieces can't do a gently caress ton of damage. M-1978 and BM-24. These are old soviet era artillery pieces that are only in use anymore in DPRK and Iran/Yemen. I sincerely doubt that they've been properly maintained.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:15
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The going number of expected rounds to fly from NK artillery from about 5 years ago was (if memory serves) 100,000 rounds an hour for 3 hours wherein logistics and mechanical breakages will be a factor. They could all be duds but that's a lot of poo poo to have flying through the air that you would then not be sure about it going bang at some later point.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:15
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psydude posted:Zeris, requesting that all Nobles get a Kushner in a plate carrier av. Yes a nobles gang tag would be lovely. Now who should I order to make it for? I'm busy with office things.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:18
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Mr. Nice! posted:Zero and I'm not trying to imply anything else. And what I'm saying is that if they have a 90% failure rate, that's STILL a massive problem. We don't have enough airplanes, bombs, missiles, and ships in the Western Pacific to come close to dealing with that problem.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:18
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not caring here posted:The going number of expected rounds to fly from NK artillery from about 5 years ago was (if memory serves) 100,000 rounds an hour for 3 hours wherein logistics and mechanical breakages will be a factor. Godholio posted:And what I'm saying is that if they have a 90% failure rate, that's STILL a massive problem. We don't have enough airplanes, bombs, missiles, and ships in the Western Pacific to come close to dealing with that problem. I agree that there will be a lot of rounds lobbed across the DMZ all the way across the line. We cannot stop everything. Everyone seems to act like Seoul is going to get leveled instantly, though, which I contend isn't possible even if we didn't target the artillery actually in range of them. A bunch of dumb rounds slung across the border will cause a lot of damage for certain, but it doesn't seem possible for it to do anything remotely close to the horrors that have been presented. We're not talking about a modern, trained, equipped, and even properly fed fighting force. The real risk is any short range missile capable of carrying a nuclear payload.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:21
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Zeris posted:You have incorrectly used "literally" twice on the same page and I'm gonna gently caress you up if you do it again. 
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Apr 9, 2017 18:26
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Mr. Nice! posted:I agree that there will be a lot of rounds lobbed across the DMZ all the way across the line. We cannot stop everything. Everyone seems to act like Seoul is going to get leveled instantly, though, which I contend isn't possible even if we didn't target the artillery actually in range of them. I agree, but we're talking about a city of 10 million people. And even more in the metro which gets closer to the DMZ. It doesn't take much.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:28
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Godholio posted:I agree, but we're talking about a city of 10 million people. And even more in the metro which gets closer to the DMZ. It doesn't take much. I really have no idea and am just speculating. I'm not trying to grover out here or anything. I'm just monday morning QBing. I just don't think the threat is very large because there's just no way the equipment is maintained and properly manned to cause massive damage.  And yeah, I know that image is from China, but it fits the discussion.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:30
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You're right in the risk is no longer mass casualties due to artilery. That's been phased out and replaced by obscene casualties by ballistic missile. Even if they're experiencing a 20% failure rate on the missiles and you take a conservative 50/50 dud rate on the warheads that's still Potentially 20+ detonations in the region. Open source intel has the norks capable of producing 1-2 compact warheads a month. On top of their fissile material production numbers if you assume that their sales of lithium-6 wasn't a bluff than they are easily capable of boosting yields even further.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:34
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Zeris posted:Yes a nobles gang tag would be lovely. Now who should I order to make it for? I'm busy with office things. Make Mr. Nice pay for everyone's gang tags and then stiff him on the cost because you're too busy doing officer things.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:34
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Mike-o posted:Make Mr. Nice pay for everyone's gang tags and then stiff him on the cost because you're too busy doing officer things. 
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Apr 9, 2017 18:35
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Watching Camp Casey get leveled would be oddly cathartic if they somehow managed to evacuate everyone before it happened, and I'm only throwing that last part in to not look like a totally heartless rear end in a top hat.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:35
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Mike-o posted:Make Mr. Nice pay for everyone's gang tags and then stiff him on the cost because you're too busy doing officer things. 
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Apr 9, 2017 18:37
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Godholio posted:How many rounds have to hit for it to be relevant, do you think? Several tens of thousands directly in a populated urban area or key military targets.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:50
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TBeats posted:Watching Camp Casey get leveled would be oddly cathartic if they somehow managed to evacuate everyone before it happened, and I'm only throwing that last part in to not look like a totally heartless rear end in a top hat. I'd be okay with 2ID leadership being left in there, but otherwise I agree wholeheartedly.
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Apr 9, 2017 18:52
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I'd even volunteer to spot for the norks just to watch that place burn
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Apr 9, 2017 19:01
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Mike-o posted:Make Mr. Nice pay for everyone's gang tags and then stiff him on the cost because you're too busy doing officer things. Mr Nice you're hereby ordered to outfit GIP gentry with The Kush(tm) tags. Being receipts to 1SG who will reimburse in 6-8 weeks.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:02
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Zeris posted:I'd even volunteer to spot for the norks just to watch that place burn hahahah goddamn
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Apr 9, 2017 19:06
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https://twitter.com/Jordanfabian/status/851136972332699649
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Apr 9, 2017 19:33
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Thank Christ for McMaster, at least someone in the White House knows what the gently caress they're doing.
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Apr 9, 2017 19:41
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I haven't been around SA in a while; working on real life. However all the assaults on the internet by the new FCC chairman and the Republicans are pissing me off a bit. I ended up throwing up a website as my attempt to protest. The premise is that you can search for any individual using a name and state and it displays a random list of websites that are purported to be the last pages viewed by them. I threw up a more detailed thread about it over in GBS https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3816434&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Right now I'm trying to get people to help me add more websites to it's database so the search results are a bit more varied. After that I got a friend that is a marketing exec and social media whiz that I'm going to pay to put up some facebook ads for me to see if I can draw some more attention and outrage to some of this. Figured I'd throw this out if any of you guys wanted to help or just have fun checking it out. https://internethistoryrecord.com/
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Apr 9, 2017 19:48
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I'm curious how McMaster is getting Trump to OK all of these changes.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:02
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Fuckboi Richard Spencer beat up (again) and glitter bombed One of many great parts to the story quote:Spencer said what happened was that Antifa disallowed him to get in his ‘getaway’ car and the police instructed him to get in a cab. Once he was in one the cab driver (who Spencer mocked for being of Indian origin) got out of the cab, frightened of the ensuing protesters, and Spencer had to take off running.”
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Apr 9, 2017 20:02
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Delizin posted:I haven't been around SA in a while; working on real life. However all the assaults on the internet by the new FCC chairman and the Republicans are pissing me off a bit. I ended up throwing up a website as my attempt to protest. The premise is that you can search for any individual using a name and state and it displays a random list of websites that are purported to be the last pages viewed by them. I threw up a more detailed thread about it over in GBS https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3816434&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 You don't have Twitter listed under Trumps android apps, immersion ruined.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:03
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cowboy elvis posted:I'm curious how McMaster is getting Trump to OK all of these changes. "He/she was making fun of you on twitter."
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Apr 9, 2017 20:05
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cowboy elvis posted:I'm curious how McMaster is getting Trump to OK all of these changes. Trump loves all the military people he has around him
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Apr 9, 2017 20:10
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cowboy elvis posted:I'm curious how McMaster is getting Trump to OK all of these changes. "We both know I'm one of the only competent people in your entire cabinet. Either the hacks go or I go and you will look like a complete fool flailing around. I'm the only one who can make you look like you can make credible decision."
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Apr 9, 2017 20:12
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Guys.. Take a deep breath. We aren't doing poo poo with North Korea. The carrier group and any additional deployment of resources is a dog and pony show intended to force China to get off its rear end and pull Kim Jong Dipshit back in line. We have been doing the same loving thing since.. What.. The 50s?
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Apr 9, 2017 20:13
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Ok, so April 9 2017 is the day that our assumptions about Trump start being correct again?
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Apr 9, 2017 20:32
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That's my thing- He's entirely unpredictable. Taking out the Norks nuclear infrastructure and dismantling their IADs wouldn't be a huge effort- and it doesn't require boots on the ground. Does North Korea launch attacks against the south? Dunno. Watching your country simultaneously exploding at the same time as your C-2 and nukes and IADs are gone will make a guy pause.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:40
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I can think of 1 or 2 things Trump might say 'hey lets bomb this to show them we are boss'. 1. is the launch site they use on the east cost to shoot rockets when they feel like being a stompy brat. 2. would be the nuke plants/sites used for the weapons program. He could bomb either of those and think that they would not respond with force. Then 1-3 days later DPRK would attack. grover.txt
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Apr 9, 2017 20:55
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:That's my thing- He's entirely unpredictable. Taking out the Norks nuclear infrastructure and dismantling their IADs wouldn't be a huge effort- and it doesn't require boots on the ground. Two obese dictators with severe daddy issues banking on the world's fear of their unpredictabilty...Why don't they just gently caress already?
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Apr 9, 2017 21:07
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:That's my thing- He's entirely unpredictable. Taking out the Norks nuclear infrastructure and dismantling their IADs wouldn't be a huge effort- and it doesn't require boots on the ground. KJU has to be rather concerned right now. And that's not exactly a good thing, either.
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Apr 9, 2017 21:18
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