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Concerned Citizen posted:my job is to convince voters to turnout and vote for whatever candidate i'm working for, not to do survey research for the dnc. i'm generally pretty successful in that regard, so that is the value. Ah, I forgot to update my cspam_posters google sheet. I'm sure you've told me that before.
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deadgoon posted:hello guys how does this 46 tweet tweetstorm make u feel: nope, she lost once she said alt-left unironically cos shes a gobshite
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I'm pretty sure the last time we had this conversation the answer was essentially the same as it was for VS: They themselves weren't the problem with the campaign, it was the people directing them with bad information that they refused to take another look at when folks on the ground started firing up warning flares.
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Thread: The Hillary campaign was too blinded by numbers and faulty analysis to run a political campaign that real people respond to Concerned Citizen: Well, the numbers say that's simply not true
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Mister Fister posted:Also, why do hill shills give a poo poo about whether the president is the biggest wonk ever? I'd rather have a president with sound judgement, which hillary lacks. There are enough wonks working under POTUS.  What kind of person would someone like this revere?
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i wish hillary clinton had a clear and concrete campaign promise or two, that woulda been neat.
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Hillary Clinton and her campaign were actually really good and awesome, thats why they won the election.
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anyway its cool that people are still arguing with CC and zegermans like, cmon yall. pls.
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remember when they counted up the possible ways for trump to win? and he never did? like, the pathways to victory? lamo @ literally having president trump and the democrats out-incompetencing the republicans i mean, trump. seriously. wtf. trump. and these democratic shills pretending to have dignity. president loving trump.
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Baloogan posted:remember when they counted up the possible ways for trump to win? and he never did? like, the pathways to victory? TRUMP
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Mister Fister posted:Also, why do hill shills give a poo poo about whether the president is the biggest wonk ever? I'd rather have a president with sound judgement, which hillary lacks. There are enough wonks working under POTUS. Because they're convinced of the moral and intellectual superiority of the professional class. If you go to the right schools and claim to care about data, you're absolved of any sins.
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anime was right posted:i wish hillary clinton had a clear and concrete campaign promise or two, that woulda been neat. Well it's not like anyone would have believed those promises
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There was also the time this old guy who was working with the campaign kept saying "Hey, maybe we should be doing more in some of those states" and was soundly ignored. But what does Bill Clinton know about running a successful presidential campaign, after all?
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Scent of Worf posted:Hillarymen are the bronies of 2017 
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anime was right posted:anyway its cool that people are still arguing with CC and zegermans like, cmon yall. pls. Some days you just really feel like flogging the whipping boys.
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docbeard posted:There was also the time this old guy who was working with the campaign kept saying "Hey, maybe we should be doing more in some of those states" and was soundly ignored. that they made it a point to ignore bill in private while allowing him to putz around and be an idiot in public remains one of my favorite things
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Baloogan posted:remember when they counted up the possible ways for trump to win? and he never did? like, the pathways to victory? 
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Concerned Citizen posted:rallies don't win elections.
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Not a Step posted:Kinda wonder if a new set of political research is going to come out of this cycle based around herd effects. If no one you know looks like they're going to vote for a candidate, maybe you shouldn't vote for them either. i mean, there was a candidate in 2012 who spent a shitload of money and time on yard signs. he completely swamped his opponent in every swing state. his name was mitt romney, and he didn't become president. the research done by dnc/affiliated groups is pretty robust and built around actual tests that can inform best practices. they want to be able to say that spending $X on a certain activity will yield Y votes if done in isolation. they're also replicated repeatedly. so we do have a really good idea of what works and what doesn't.
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anime was right posted:anyway its cool that people are still arguing with CC and zegermans like, cmon yall. pls. jest lookin for the perfect linguistic killshot, the holy grail of logic finally debunking conjured up opinions once and for all imo jest shake up a pepsi can an hand it tae em n awatch it blow tae gently caress 
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Nanomashoes posted:Thread: The Hillary campaign was too blinded by numbers and faulty analysis to run a political campaign that real people respond to i would say the numbers actually say that is exactly true, specifically the number of electoral votes there was definitely faulty analysis and bad numbers. they made horrific decisions that could have caught the error before it was too late, but here we are. that said, the solution is to get better numbers, not to assume math has forsaken us and we must turn back to the old ways before the ancient god of votes curses us once more. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 19:58 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Mister Fister posted:Also, why do hill shills give a poo poo about whether the president is the biggest wonk ever? I'd rather have a president with sound judgement, which hillary lacks. There are enough wonks working under POTUS. a president who can't (or won't) get Congress to go along with their policy promises is p disappointing, and that has been a problem for recent Dem presidents
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ThndrShk2k posted:The Trump Presidency became a thing, due to his h-yuge rallies. some say to even this day theres rallies still going on because of the yugeness
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Apr 9, 2017 19:57
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im at a rally right now wearing my maga hat, maga
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Like, it's thoroughly dumb the way people (yes, I'm talking to you, yeah you, reading this thread) rush to completely dismiss things like misogyny and Russian interference and Comey and whatever in order to win a prize for shouting HILLARY BAD BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON the loudest. But it's not like her campaign didn't make some completely avoidable and very costly mistakes, either. I doubt the yard signs thing really made much difference one way or the other, though. It's really more indicative of a mentality that led to other mistakes, I think. (Interestingly, the yard sign count here in the Twin Cities, at least that I saw, was Johnson-Everyone Else by a considerable margin. Don't know what that means, though. I'm guessing that I was passing through a rich suburban neighborhood that leaned Republican but not toward Trump.)
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the Democratic party is full of creeps, freaks, and weirdos
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Concerned Citizen posted:i mean, there was a candidate in 2012 who spent a shitload of money and time on yard signs. he completely swamped his opponent in every swing state. his name was mitt romney, and he didn't become president. Ok but, and stop me if you've heard this before, WHY DID YOU LOSE? Although I guess the real answer is probably Mitt Romney was a barely lifelike robot up against a charismatic idealist. And Hillary Clinton was a barely lifelike robot up against a charismatic grifter. So... maybe the real secret is 'running barely lifelike robots is a bad plan, don't do that'. Also, Al Gore and John Kerry
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docbeard posted:Like, it's thoroughly dumb the way people (yes, I'm talking to you, yeah you, reading this thread) rush to completely dismiss things like misogyny and Russian interference and Comey and whatever in order to win a prize for shouting HILLARY BAD BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON the loudest. There's a reason most of the allstars in this thread didn't even post in CSPAM for a 6 month period. The election result was great because it was always about sticking it to Clinton for beating babbys first leftist joke candidate, while being white enough to not have to worry about how Clinton losing was actually bad.
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Not a Step posted:Ok but, and stop me if you've heard this before, WHY DID YOU LOSE? well hey, i didn't lose. quote:Although I guess the real answer is probably Mitt Romney was a barely lifelike robot up against a charismatic idealist. And Hillary Clinton was a barely lifelike robot up against a charismatic grifter. So... maybe the real secret is 'running barely lifelike robots is a bad plan, don't do that'. agreed. at the very least if you are someone that lacks charisma, maybe acknowledge and try to bridge that issue rather than assuming voters will see through it and vote for your very qualified robot.
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Not a Step posted:Also, Al Gore and John Kerry Look, whatever people think of Hillary, there is no way she's the worst candidate in the history of the Democratic Party where that history includes John Kerry.
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Concerned Citizen posted:well hey, i didn't lose. hell yeah maga maga TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP maga
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See how her eye tilts? IS she having a seizure on camera!? Here's 15 Breitbart articles about it
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docbeard posted:Like, it's thoroughly dumb the way people (yes, I'm talking to you, yeah you, reading this thread) rush to completely dismiss things like misogyny and Russian interference and Comey and whatever in order to win a prize for shouting HILLARY BAD BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON the loudest. i was gonna make an argument but ive basically said everything there is to say and we're all arguing in circles lets all get some waffles
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But also, for the record, Hillary is bad, and Bernie would have won. you want fries with that?
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Concerned Citizen posted:so we do have a really good idea of what works and what doesn't. uh huh
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anime was right posted:i was gonna make an argument but ive basically said everything there is to say and we're all arguing in circles lets all get some waffles After my sister in laws wedding we all went to waffe house because it was her idea but I'm old and go to bed at 9:30 and it was 4 am and I spent all night tearing down their wedding because to save money they leaned on family to set everything up and it was pretty exhausting and the waffles didn't takes good due to my tired ness. Actually I think I got gravy hashbrowns. That's my wafflehouse story
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seriously this thread is zegermens and cc repeating the same thing over and over again despite being wrong but loving the attention or whatever, and everyone willingly engaging with their attention-seeking behaviors to high five themselves. and they're doing it over and over and over again and i just wanted a loving place to discuss the democrats best vision moving forward but nope gently caress that.
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