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The Canucks managed to spend to the cap on a 69 point roster. The only other cap teams that failed to make the playoffs were Detroit and Philadelphia who managed 79 and 87 points respectively. Jim Benning, take a bow.
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ThinkTank posted:The Canucks managed to spend to the cap on a 69 point roster. The only other cap teams that failed to make the playoffs were Detroit and Philadelphia who managed 79 and 87 points respectively. https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/851315995407003648 https://twitter.com/hockeydipshit/status/851309055909838849 Canucks a good hockey team
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Apr 10, 2017 13:54
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Jim Benning decided this team was a piece or two away from being a playoff team so didn't sell at last year's deadline, made load up trades leading up to the draft by dealing away picks and prospects, signed a big name free agent and the team actually got worse. Is that the worst lack of foresight by any GM in the history of the sport?
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ThinkTank posted:Jim Benning decided this team was a piece or two away from being a playoff team so didn't sell at last year's deadline, made load up trades leading up to the draft by dealing away picks and prospects, signed a big name free agent and the team actually got worse. RWAS will probably want a word with you.
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Apr 10, 2017 14:02
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKing Islanders.... Rangers and Habs should be nailbiting.
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Apr 10, 2017 14:05
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Good soup! posted:The Philadelphia Flyers will unfortunately be unable to win the Stanley Cup. You'll never get anywhere in life with a defeatist attitude like that. They just need to dig in, simplify their game, and get more pucks on net!
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This article from October is a gem from start to finish but I'll pull out some choice quotesquote:Linden's crown has dents, but 65-point season is royally absurd. Seriously, do these people know how bad a hockey team has to be to finish with 65 points? The last-overall Toronto Maple Leafs dumped six players last season and auditioned 40 and still finished with 69 points. quote:Sixty-five points are a biblical disaster, scorched earth, the end of hockey as we have known it around the Vancouver Canucks since Marc Crawford replaced Mike Keenan as coach in 1999. quote:“I expect us to be hard to play against and to compete every night. And at the end of the day, we’re going to be in the fight (for a playoff spot). We do expect to be better this year.” quote:Since then, the Canucks have added 30-goal scorer Loui Eriksson and Swedish League MVP Anton Rodin without surrendering an asset, and they upgraded the defence by replacing 33-year-old Dan Hamhuis with 24-year-old Erik Gudbranson. Top defencemen Alex Edler and key centre Brandon Sutter are healthy again and the goaltending tandem (Ryan Miller and Jacob Markstrom) hasn’t been this solid since the Canucks had Roberto Luongo and Cory Schneider, which was shortly before they had neither. Oh, and a bunch of young Canucks — Ben Hutton, Bo Horvat, Sven Baertschi — look poised for breakout seasons. quote:[Linden]"They may say I wasn’t a good (manager) or I wasn’t successful. That may be the case. And that’s fine. But that’s too early to say.” http://vancouversun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/iain-macintyre-lindens-crown-has-dents-but-65-point-season-is-royally-absurd
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Kilza posted:The playoff match-ups are now set: Go Caps and Leafs are ok Go Jackets and gently caress the Pens Go Habs ...Go bruins? Go Hawks but also Go Preds gently caress the Wild but gently caress the Blues harder. Go Wild Go Flames gently caress the Ducks Go Oilers but SUPER GO SHARKS
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And somehow the Avalanche finished 21 points lower in the standings than the Canucks. They were worse than the recent Sabres teams that were quite obviously tanking from the start.
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xzzy posted:You'll never get anywhere in life with a defeatist attitude like that. They just need to dig in, simplify their game, and get more pucks on net! This team doesn't have any HEART, in my day they would send out SCHULTZY and teach them A LESSON OR TWO and they won TWO CUPS and gas was 60 cents and our music was better which means we need to TRADE CLAUDE GIROUX (why do I read Facebook comments about hockey)
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ThinkTank posted:This article from October is a gem from start to finish but I'll pull out some choice quotes This is good stuff.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:This is good stuff. My favourite part was when they said that Erik Gudbranson was an upgrade on Dan Hamhuis because he's younger I guess?
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ThinkTank posted:My favourite part was when they said that Erik Gudbranson was an upgrade on Dan Hamhuis because he's younger I guess? Erik Gudbranson will likely not die as soon as Dam Hamhuis, and you can't teach that.
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Apr 10, 2017 14:45
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Somehow Benning fell rear end backwards into the correct result anyways so no harm no foul I guess? Well, other than the poo poo contracts he signed guys to.
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toe knee hand posted:most of those really suck honestly, no historical or regional rivalries. Rivalries are baloney and they change, grow and die all the time and the playoffs should go back to 1-8
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ElwoodCuse posted:Rivalries are baloney and they change, grow and die all the time and the playoffs should go back to 1-8 Peripheral rivalries maybe. Stuff like Pens/Rangers waxes and wanes. Others like Pens/Flyers, Rangers/Isles, Rangers/Devils, Bruins/Canadiens...that poo poo is eternal. Doesn't matter who is on the teams or how good/bad they are. But yes this playoff format is garbage.
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It's great hearing about how long ago some players disliked some other players, and now a totally different group of guys who weren't in country or born when that happened put on different uniforms to continue that visceral hatrfaaaaaaaaarrrrrttt Then again, I have it on good authority that Potvin still Sucks, so  I'm convinced the only reason baseball has all of those stats is because if they didn't, this is what they'd talk about instead. Not sure if I'd rather hear about whose grandpa hates whose other grandpa, or shot-blocking percentages by left-handed defensemen on odd-numbered Februaries in western conference rinks.
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Ginette Reno posted:Somehow Benning fell rear end backwards into the correct result anyways so no harm no foul I guess? Well, other than the poo poo contracts he signed guys to. He's done a ton of harm because he ended up with a 29th place finish but has been planning for a playoff run these last two years. He traded a ton of picks (more than Mike Gillis in half the time even though Gillis was running a cup contender) and prospects for short term fixes for no reason whatsoever. He tosses picks away like candy so much so that despite the fact this would be a dead last finish nearly any other year we once again don't have a full complement of picks going into the draft. Seriously, go through his trade history and literally only his last two trades have any semblance of an eye to the future. He bleeds value in every single deal he makes, and he dramatically overpays for guys he targets then signs them to giant extensions. He also bounces from short term issue to short term issue so we have to expend high draft picks on needs. Our defence was crappy for exactly one season so they traded McCann, the 33rd overall pick and a 4th round pick for Gudbranson and took Juolevi instead of the consensus selection Tkachuk. Defence fixed! Oh wait our offence sucks now, time to trade a defender for a forward! Rinse and repeat. We could have Ehlers or Nylander and Tkachuk right now if they'd just taken the highest ranked players available but they selected Virtanen and Juolevi to plug holes in their lineup. A top six of : Tkachuk-Horvat-Nylander XXX-2017 Pick-Boeser would've been a great foundation moving forwards. Oh well, can't teach size and winning. He also threw money and term at garbage players because they have leadership qualities or something and now we have over $20M tied up in Loui Eriksson, Brandon Sutter, Luca Sbisa, Erik Gudbrnason and Derek Dorsett players of such a low talent level they'd probably not crack the 4th line/bottom pairing of most teams in the league but have to be our core moving forward by default now. At the very least, no one will trade for any of them given what they're paid and how little they contribute. So no, he's done a great deal of harm and it'll probably taken another 5-8 years to unravel this mess. You know, I think it might've been possible to rebuild the Canucks quickly back in 2014 if the team had tried that. Instead they didn't and we got 6 playoff games out of it and now it means a full teardown rebuild is necessary. Fun.
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ThinkTank posted:This article from October is a gem from start to finish but I'll pull out some choice quotes Maybe having former Swedish League MVP, Anton Rodin, only play 3 games was the reason for their season.
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Twin Cinema posted:Maybe having former Swedish League MVP, Anton Rodin, only play 3 games was the reason for their season. He blew out his knee at the end of last year and they knew that coming in. They didn't play him for a long time because it was in such poor shape, then played him and he blew it out again. His career is likely done.
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I thought Juolevi looked pretty good in camp, but that's pretty meh production for his +1 year. e: Although London scored a lot more last year, so not unreasonable.
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T-Bone posted:I thought Juolevi looked pretty good in camp, but that's pretty meh production for his +1 year. Sure, he'll probably be a reliable bottom 4 defenceman and would've been a solid 15th overall selection. There's nothing wrong with him, but when you pass up on the guy putting up near first overall pick numbers in his draft year (who then translated that into a 48 point rookie season) you better be something special. Juolevi is not.
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ThinkTank posted:He traded a ton of picks (more than Mike Gillis in half the time even though Gillis was running a cup contender) and prospects for short term fixes for no reason whatsoever. He tosses picks away like candy so much so that despite the fact this would be a dead last finish nearly any other year we once again don't have a full complement of picks going into the draft. I can't think of a Benning pun so I'm still going to keep calling it a Feaster Famine.
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We can now compare the matchups in this format to what they would've been as God intended (1/8 seeding). Assuming the two division winners are still 1 and 2: 1) Washington vs 8) Toronto. Leafs don't avoid the crappy draw here. 2) Montreal vs 7) Boston.  3) Pittsburgh vs 6) Ottawa. Meh. 4) Columbus vs 5) New York Rangers. The Ballad of Rick Nash. 1) Chicago vs 8) Nashville. Does not change. 2) Anaheim vs 7) Calgary. Also does not change. 3) Minnesota vs 6) St. Louis/San Jose tiebreaker loser. 4) Edmonton vs 5) St. Louis/San Jose tiebreaker winner.
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In not me whining about the Canucks news: The Panthers have given up on analytics and rehired Dale Tallon as GMquote:SUNRISE, Fla. - Florida Panthers Chairman & Governor Vincent Viola announced on Monday that Dale Tallon has been appointed the club's General Manager. Tallon will also retain his title as President of Hockey Operations. https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/dale-tallon-named-panthers-general-manager/c-288637636
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ThinkTank posted:So no, he's done a great deal of harm and it'll probably taken another 5-8 years to unravel this mess. You know, I think it might've been possible to rebuild the Canucks quickly back in 2014 if the team had tried that. Instead they didn't and we got 6 playoff games out of it and now it means a full teardown rebuild is necessary. Fun. The Devils and Canucks are so bad but it's hard for me to even name more than a few good promising players they have.
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ThinkTank posted:In not me whining about the Canucks news: The Panthers have given up on analytics and rehired Dale Tallon as GM The Panthers never looked bad to me. I think they just need better d-men.
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I feel like the Panthers would have been better if roster spots weren't wasted by players like Shawn Thornton, Derek MacKenzie, and Greg McKegg for large portions of the year. And losing Brian Campbell hurt a bunch too. Also whoof Nick Bjugstad had a terrible year: 14 points in 54 games and a ~45% CF%. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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ThinkTank posted:In not me whining about the Canucks news: The Panthers have given up on analytics and rehired Dale Tallon as GM Supposedly he has been more involved since December or so.
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Jim Benning is a stone cold loving moron
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Mind_Taker posted:I feel like the Panthers would have been better if roster spots weren't wasted by players like Shawn Thornton, Derek MacKenzie, and Greg McKegg for large portions of the year. And losing Brian Campbell hurt a bunch too. their season looks a lot different if huberdeau is healthy. based on the last ~year of weird front office BS though, the result might not have been too different. demoting tallon was a weird panic move that i kind of liked and this is a weird panic move all the same really. you had the commitment to do this but only for a little bit to see how it feels? vinny viola is rowe-curious
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Congrats CAS https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/851465688485122048
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Welcome to Vancouver, Michel Therrien.
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yellowcar posted:Welcome to Vancouver, Michel Therrien. Now I feel worse
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you have to banish all 3 of the demons to cleanse the soul yellowcar posted:Welcome to Vancouver, this is a much more realistic outcome
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