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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kawada had four ***** star matches in 1995 (plus probably a bunch of **** matches, too). But hey, the year is young. Is that so? It's a little different because mid-90s All Japan had the luxury of legit main event tag matches. Not to quibble about it though, Kawada 94-96 was insane.
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sigmachiev posted:Greatest year run for match quality for a main eventer, ever. Samoa Joe 10/02/2004 Bryan Danielson **** 10/16/2004 CM Punk ***** 12/04/2004 CM Punk ****1/4 12/26/2004 Austin Aries ****1/4 06/11/2005 Necro Butcher 07/17/2005 Chris Sabin ****1/4 08/12/2005 Christopher Daniels and CM Punk and James Gibson 08/14/2005 AJ Styles ****1/4 09/11/2005 AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels ***** 10/01/2005 Kenta Kobashi ***** 10/02/2005 with Low Ki vs. Homicide and Kenta Kobashi ****1/4
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sigmachiev posted:4/10/2016 Tetsuya Naito ****1/4 Being paired with some of the best in the world (and also Togi Makabe) probably doesn't hurt.
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I honestly can't even believe there are people out there who don't think Okada is exceptional. Plus, you know, he's not even 30 yet! 
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Jerusalem posted:I honestly can't even believe there are people out there who don't think Okada is exceptional. Wait til you go on twitter and find the people who think he's bad.
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MassRafTer posted:Wait til you go on twitter I'll be waiting a long time  But seriously... really? HOW!?!
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I thought about it overnight and I want to nominate HM: KUSHIDA/Hiromu Takahashi It was funny as hell and nothing amused me so much in wrestling as Brock/Goldberg from Survivor Series. Plus I'm fast becoming a Hiromu mark and watching him merk KUSHIDA was awesome. By the way, Okada is currently averaging 5.167 stars in title defences for this reign, 4.75+ for this match will keep him above 5 and 4.5 would put him dead on 5.
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Jerusalem posted:I'll be waiting a long time they think he hasn't done a bulk of the lifting in his matches and was carried by Omega and yesterday by Shibata with both just whipping his rear end through most the matches.
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I'm throwing a MOTYC nod to Okada/Shibata. loving awesome. Not at great as the Omega match, but any other year it would be a serious contender.
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KungFu Grip posted:they think he hasn't done a bulk of the lifting in his matches and was carried by Omega and yesterday by Shibata with both just whipping his rear end through most the matches. So they have a problem with the most basic wrestling logic of them all, "Heel beats up face until it looks like he is out, at which point he'll start his big fiery face comeback to the cheers of the crowd."
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People still struggle with faces getting revenge on heels so ya know
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Germansimp posted:So they have a problem with the most basic wrestling logic of them all, "Heel beats up face until it looks like he is out, at which point he'll start his big fiery face comeback to the cheers of the crowd." Well Shibata was totally the face in the match yesterday so who knows lol
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okada is easily the greatest wrestler in the world right now and anyone who thinks he's bad just straight up doesn't know poo poo about wrestling
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Cardboard Box posted:okada is easily the greatest wrestler in the world right now and anyone who thinks he's bad just straight up doesn't know poo poo about wrestling IDK if he's the best
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Okada is ok, I guess. He's not Roman Reigns good, but give him time, he's still young.
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Cardboard Box posted:okada is easily the greatest wrestler in the world right now and anyone who thinks he's bad just straight up doesn't know poo poo about wrestling aj styles is better than okada
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Professor Funk posted:aj styles is better than okada aj styles is fantastic but he hasn't had the same track record okada has over the last year, which could be argued is due to the caliber of opponents, but to me the best wrestler in the world is the one who is at that time consistently having the greatest matches
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naito's up there, for sure. nothing bad to say about him.
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Cardboard Box posted:naito's up there, for sure. nothing bad to say about him. Fair. For the record I'm in full agreement with you that Kazuchika Okada is the greatest wrestler in the world right now and his current run of amazing singles matches is proof that he's that good, but I'll be damned if Naito isn't up there with him. e: with that said, I still maintain that Okada/Suzuki > Okada/Shibata, just because I really enjoyed the story they told with Suzuki's technical work and Okada's fighting spirit, but they're both incredible matches. Venomous fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Imgonna surprise nobody and say Io Shirai
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MOTYC: Okada vs Shibata - Sakura Genesis Okada is the best in the world right now. I love AJ Styles but Okada's run right now has been better.
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Cardboard Box posted:aj styles is fantastic but he hasn't had the same track record okada has over the last year, which could be argued is due to the caliber of opponents, but to me the best wrestler in the world is the one who is at that time consistently having the greatest matches AJ Styles got a 4* match out of Shane McMahon
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Cardboard Box posted:aj styles is fantastic but he hasn't had the same track record okada has over the last year, which could be argued is due to the caliber of opponents, but to me the best wrestler in the world is the one who is at that time consistently having the greatest matches I'm of the opposite opinion, in that the best wrestler is the one who spins gold out of absolute trash. Okada is still in the top 5, at worst, but he is not unquestionably the best. If he had a much lower caliber of opponent and still put on the matches he put on, then I'd say he would be #1 without question.
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No seriously Okada is absolutely the best wrestler going today.
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KungFu Grip posted:Well Shibata was totally the face in the match yesterday so who knows lol Okada will always be the face in my heart, no matter how handsome his opponent is .
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Echoing the Shibata vs Okada love. Honestly my dream match would be Shibata vs Bret Hart
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IcePhoenix posted:AJ Styles got a 4* match out of Shane McMahon Lets see how many *s Okada gets out of Bad Luck Fale.
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Junpei Hyde posted:Imgonna surprise nobody and say Io Shirai I think it would be fair to say that Okada and Shirai are a modern equivalent to Misawa and Toyota. Comparisons between them in an attempt to determine who is "the best," when they're both as amazing as they are and both such total packages will almost inevitably be discussing fractions of superiority from a subjective POV, especially if you try to remove gender considerations (ie the training infrastructure that produced them and gender bias' impact on that, biological differences and how they influence wrestling style and technique, promotion sizes and general enthusiasm among their native markets for the product they produce, etc) from the equation and look at them in the proverbial vacuum. Kenny Omega is the Kenta Kobashi and Asuka is the Toshiyo Yamada in this metaphor I guess?
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I guess Naito is the Kawada and Tanahashi is, I dunno, the Tenryu? The Tsuruta?
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Imean if you'regonna compare omega to someone, who was the hot gaijin wrestler of that period?
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Junpei Hyde posted:Imean if you'regonna compare omega to someone, who was the hot gaijin wrestler of that period? ...Wild Pegasus? poo poo, I hope Kenny doesn't end up the same way. Anyway, if that's the case, Naito is clearly the Kobashi.
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Junpei Hyde posted:Imean if you'regonna compare omega to someone, who was the hot gaijin wrestler of that period? in AJPW? Johnny Ace! Hell, they even have the same number of 5+ star matches. It's the perfect fit. Can't wait to see Big Kenny bringing people power back to Monday Night Raw in 20 years.
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Okada is definitely the best they got aside from Naito for when Tanahashi retires unless they can get AJ back before then or Iishi learns how to have a second kind of match.
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Omega probably belongs somewhere in the conversation too...
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Wazzu posted:The only debate I'll entertain is whether he's the prettiest. Okada, Shibata, and SANADA could easily have a 5-star triple threat smolder-off
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Junpei Hyde posted:Imean if you'regonna compare omega to someone, who was the hot gaijin wrestler of that period? I see other people have their own ideas but I'm going to put down Dr. Death.
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