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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
a 1/4-20 post, some washers, and a couple of wing nuts makes any tie down point a nice spot to mount a go pro for all of $3 in hardware from lowe's/homedepot

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The Slaughter
Jan 28, 2002

cat scratch fever
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPZ3261/history/20170328/0436Z/KSNA/KLAX

I did this under 91 last night, absolutely crazy trying to do a 36 mile flight in a jet, haha. Nice 33 kt direct crosswind too in LAX which was challenging when the airplane was 30,000 lbs lighter than normal.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

PT6A posted:

I looked at that area on ForeFlight and wow you aren't loving kidding. Makes Eastern Alberta and Saskatchewan look positively buzzing with activity.

I don't know how often you spend time in Ontario but the Canadian Shield really is some incredibly treacherous terrain. I haven't flown over it but I grew up in it and know what it looks like under the tree canopy. There can be no safe landing site for hundreds of kilometers because the only thing that isn't rocky is a lake or a swamp. If the trees don't slow you down enough while simultaneously not impaling you, the rocks underneath will pulverize you. Practice identifying the best option for on road forced approaches (spotting hydro lines crossing the road, signs etc) and always be on the lookout for good places to set down. It's not like the prairies where the fields are all flat and the roads are all straight and the only thing you have to make sure of is that you land with the furrows and don't hit someone's fence tractor or cow.

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005

The Slaughter posted:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPZ3261/history/20170328/0436Z/KSNA/KLAX

I did this under 91 last night, absolutely crazy trying to do a 36 mile flight in a jet, haha. Nice 33 kt direct crosswind too in LAX which was challenging when the airplane was 30,000 lbs lighter than normal.

For a number of years, we had a scheduled flight from Pullman, Washington to Lewiston, Idaho (continuing to Seattle after a crew swap), which was about 22nm. I believe the record for that flight stood at somewhere around 7 minutes, but I never managed it in under 10.

xaarman
Mar 12, 2003

IRONKNUCKLE PERMABANNED! READ HERE
So in case you guys were wondering about current Air Force pilot life and why we hate it so much, this is Air Force Personnel's Centers response to us leaving in droves:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/the-air-force-is-thinking-about-paying-pilots-up-to-455-000-to-stay-in-uniform

As we've forever reiterated, it's not about the money. No one I know is going to take any financial bonus short of a million dollars, and certainly very few people will sign a 13 year commitment half way through their initial service commitment.

They can never fix the problem, so typical government solution is to throw more money at it. Except as Gen Goldfein said, there is not enough money in the Treasury to fix this with bonuses.

xaarman fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 30, 2017

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...
lol I love how every service has O-3 retention problems. The old farts don't think it's a problem now but I'm ten-twenty years when every service is lead by the idiots who stay in now, no one will be laughing.

At least you get a bonus. I was told a bonus will never happen (USMC) and I can expect to never leave a line squadron until my commitment is up. Even then, to stay in, I will need to stay in a line squadron.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Bob A Feet posted:

in ten-twenty years when every service is lead by the idiots who stay in now, no one will be laughing.


That's why the military is having the problems it's having now. It's 10-20 years now.


I'd love to go back in to the air force and apply to fly literally anything manned, but you couldn't pay me enough to jump back on that sinking ship.

Nuggan
Jul 17, 2006

Always rolling skulls.
As my test for my PPL is fast approaching, I've started nitpicking all my procedures and such.
Anyone have tips for crosswind landings? I find myself trying to move the ailerons back and forth a whole bunch as the wind gusts me around, sort of averaging out the motion of the plane to try to keep it steady. When my instructor does it, he just pushes the yolk way far out to the side and really kicks in the rudder hard. His way is a lot smoother than mine, but I cant seem to find the sweet spot where it evens out.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
TBH you might just want to practice in more extreme conditions. If an alternate runway is available, the xwind component isn't stupid high and it isn't busy in the circuit ask for the alternate runway and practice. Otherwise choose a section of road and practice there but go around before you hit 500'agl.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Nuggan posted:

As my test for my PPL is fast approaching, I've started nitpicking all my procedures and such.
Anyone have tips for crosswind landings? I find myself trying to move the ailerons back and forth a whole bunch as the wind gusts me around, sort of averaging out the motion of the plane to try to keep it steady. When my instructor does it, he just pushes the yolk way far out to the side and really kicks in the rudder hard. His way is a lot smoother than mine, but I cant seem to find the sweet spot where it evens out.

Yeah, you want to bank into the wind and then keep the plane from actually turning by using opposite rudder (a slide slip), then account for gusts primarily with rudder control rather than aileron. The ideal landing will have you straight on the centerline, with the main landing gear on the windward side touching first, then the main gear on the opposite side, then the nose wheel.

In terms of finding the right balance: just practice, practice, practice. Honestly, I never felt comfortable with crosswind landings until half way through my commercial training, mainly because I just didn't practice them enough. Part of the issue is that uncoordinated flight feels inherently "wrong," so you have to be confident in your technique, and the way to do that is to repeat it over and over again.

Nuggan
Jul 17, 2006

Always rolling skulls.

PT6A posted:

account for gusts primarily with rudder control rather than aileron.

I think this is what my main issue is. I try to correct with the ailerons. Next time I go up and its windy I'll try to hold it in place and keep correcting with the rudder.

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

xaarman posted:

So in case you guys were wondering about current Air Force pilot life and why we hate it so much, this is Air Force Personnel's Centers response to us leaving in droves:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/the-air-force-is-thinking-about-paying-pilots-up-to-455-000-to-stay-in-uniform

As we've forever reiterated, it's not about the money. No one I know is going to take any financial bonus short of a million dollars, and certainly very few people will sign a 13 year commitment half way through their initial service commitment.

They can never fix the problem, so typical government solution is to throw more money at it. Except as Gen Goldfein said, there is not enough money in the Treasury to fix this with bonuses.

People say this all the time, but I find it hard to believe that if the airlines weren't paying so much pilots would still be getting out. From what I'm seeing in the Ops sqs, the only dudes getting out in droves are the dudes who have really high paying jobs (pilots), while all the CSOs are staying in forever.

Tide
Mar 27, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Nuggan posted:

As my test for my PPL is fast approaching, I've started nitpicking all my procedures and such.
Anyone have tips for crosswind landings? I find myself trying to move the ailerons back and forth a whole bunch as the wind gusts me around, sort of averaging out the motion of the plane to try to keep it steady. When my instructor does it, he just pushes the yolk way far out to the side and really kicks in the rudder hard. His way is a lot smoother than mine, but I cant seem to find the sweet spot where it evens out.

Carry a little more speed, 2/3 flaps, and a little more power. Ailerons for the wind correction and opposite rudder to keep in straight.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

JacksLibido posted:

People say this all the time, but I find it hard to believe that if the airlines weren't paying so much pilots would still be getting out. From what I'm seeing in the Ops sqs, the only dudes getting out in droves are the dudes who have really high paying jobs (pilots), while all the CSOs are staying in forever.

Start following the Air Force thread in GiP (or any of the branch threads, for that matter,) for a good dose of the extra-special dumb that the USAF makes their people deal with.

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

MrYenko posted:

Start following the Air Force thread in GiP (or any of the branch threads, for that matter,) for a good dose of the extra-special dumb that the USAF makes their people deal with.

I've been in for 9 years as a CSO, I'm aware.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

My boss in the aviation department at the college is a retired Air Force heavy transport driver (C-5, -141, -130, -17) who got out in 2014. He said he looked at going to Atlas when he got out, but couldn't get a domicile anywhere near where he lives and passed.

xaarman
Mar 12, 2003

IRONKNUCKLE PERMABANNED! READ HERE

JacksLibido posted:

People say this all the time, but I find it hard to believe that if the airlines weren't paying so much pilots would still be getting out. From what I'm seeing in the Ops sqs, the only dudes getting out in droves are the dudes who have really high paying jobs (pilots), while all the CSOs are staying in forever.

While true that Pilots have higher compensation on the outside, 12R CSOs are horrendously undermanned at Offutt AFB. If you can access the C2ISR Webinar on MyAF, you can see the raw numbers. Furthermore, and I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest here, Pilots take a lot longer to get up to full quals. I'm talking Chief Pilot IP/EP FTU instructor type.

Coincidentally, my friend just linked the congressional testimony at https://www.c-span.org/video/?426158-1/military-officials-explain-reasons-behind-pilot-shortage&start=1672 and I'm making my way through it now. They actually seem reasonable here with the real issues, not the fluff we normally get.

Starts at 25:59 -
OKAY, I PARTICULARLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT NON-MONETARY INDUCEMENTS. AND I NOTED THAT IN THE REPORT, THERE WAS A REFERENCE MADE TO 260 DAYS AWAY DURING DEPLOYMENT FOR SOME OF THESE AVIATORS AND 110 DAYS AWAY EVEN WHEN YOU ARE ON HOME TEMP RARE DUTY. THOSE ARE LONG STRETCHES AWAY. AND IN YOUR ACTUAL STATEMENT, GENERAL GROSSO, THERE'S A CHART HERE THAT SHOWS, ACTUALLY THE RANKING OF THE RULE OF CIVILIAN JOBS IS MUCH LOWER THAN ADDITIONAL DUTIES WHICH WAS AT 37% AND MAINTAINING WORK/LIFE BALANCE AND MEETING FAMILY COMMITMENTS WHICH WAS AT 31%. ABILITY OF CIVILIAN JOBS WAS AT 24%. SO I THINK THE LURE OF COMMERCIAL AIRLINE JOBS WHILE IT DOES HAVE SOME ALLURE, I THINK ADDRESSING THOSE TOP TWO WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT SO TO EACH OF YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION IN A MINUTE AND 36. WHAT IF ANYTHING YOU ARE DOING TO TRYING TO ADDRESS THE NON-MONETARY ISSUES.

Military aviation is the world's coolest job. I'm perfectly happy with the level of compensation I'm getting. I know I'll never make 787 Captain pay, but it's not bad. It's all the other garbage that makes the job garbage. If all I had to do was show up, fly, do other minor tasks and go home, I'd never leave.

CBJSprague24 posted:

My boss in the aviation department at the college is a retired Air Force heavy transport driver (C-5, -141, -130, -17) who got out in 2014. He said he looked at going to Atlas when he got out, but couldn't get a domicile anywhere near where he lives and passed.

Not sure what you mean here, Atlas doesn't have domiciles. They pay for you to fly out to where ever the plane is.

xaarman fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Apr 3, 2017

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

quote:



Not sure what you mean here, Atlas doesn't have domiciles. They pay for you to fly out to where ever the plane is.

Close. They pay for a ticket for you to fly to your base, but you can live pretty much live anywhere. You pay income tax on the value of the ticket, which sucks, but it beats commuting via jumpseat.

JacksLibido
Jul 21, 2004

xaarman posted:

While true that Pilots have higher compensation on the outside, 12R CSOs are horrendously undermanned at Offutt AFB. If you can access the C2ISR Webinar on MyAF, you can see the raw numbers. Furthermore, and I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest here, Pilots take a lot longer to get up to full quals. I'm talking Chief Pilot IP/EP FTU instructor type.

Coincidentally, my friend just linked the congressional testimony at https://www.c-span.org/video/?426158-1/military-officials-explain-reasons-behind-pilot-shortage&start=1672 and I'm making my way through it now. They actually seem reasonable here with the real issues, not the fluff we normally get.

Starts at 25:59 -
OKAY, I PARTICULARLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT NON-MONETARY INDUCEMENTS. AND I NOTED THAT IN THE REPORT, THERE WAS A REFERENCE MADE TO 260 DAYS AWAY DURING DEPLOYMENT FOR SOME OF THESE AVIATORS AND 110 DAYS AWAY EVEN WHEN YOU ARE ON HOME TEMP RARE DUTY. THOSE ARE LONG STRETCHES AWAY. AND IN YOUR ACTUAL STATEMENT, GENERAL GROSSO, THERE'S A CHART HERE THAT SHOWS, ACTUALLY THE RANKING OF THE RULE OF CIVILIAN JOBS IS MUCH LOWER THAN ADDITIONAL DUTIES WHICH WAS AT 37% AND MAINTAINING WORK/LIFE BALANCE AND MEETING FAMILY COMMITMENTS WHICH WAS AT 31%. ABILITY OF CIVILIAN JOBS WAS AT 24%. SO I THINK THE LURE OF COMMERCIAL AIRLINE JOBS WHILE IT DOES HAVE SOME ALLURE, I THINK ADDRESSING THOSE TOP TWO WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT SO TO EACH OF YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION IN A MINUTE AND 36. WHAT IF ANYTHING YOU ARE DOING TO TRYING TO ADDRESS THE NON-MONETARY ISSUES.

Military aviation is the world's coolest job. I'm perfectly happy with the level of compensation I'm getting. I know I'll never make 787 Captain pay, but it's not bad. It's all the other garbage that makes the job garbage. If all I had to do was show up, fly, do other minor tasks and go home, I'd never leave.

I'm going to reply to this in the AF thread in the InternetVFW section since it's outside the realm of this thread.

JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Apr 4, 2017

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...
Well as of yesterday USMC is officially offering cash bonuses to fixed wing and tiltrotor pilots who re-up. No disclosure on the amount but straight cash money solves lots of problems.

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy
USN just grounded the T-45 fleet for a couple days. I'm never going to get my wings.

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

overdesigned posted:

USN just grounded the T-45 fleet for a couple days. I'm never going to get my wings.

We must not endanger Mike Pence Jr!!!


are you Mike Pence Jr???

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Bob A Feet posted:

We must not endanger Mike Pence Jr!!!


are you Mike Pence Jr???

Like his dad would let him post on a gay forum.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Pretty sure Mike Pence would think the only good gay forum is a dead gay forum (like this one)

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy
I am not Mike Pence, I will also not ask him his opinion re: our gay forum because That'd Be Weird.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

EvilJoven posted:

Oh man I spent all my money on bikes but now I'm getting the urge to smash bugs and huff leaded gas. I also really want to get my PPL before my parents visit in July.

PT6A come fly east and land at YAV and I'll take you for a tour of my stomping grounds.You can learn first hand that I really am playing it up in the Canpoli threads most of the time.

Edit: for Regina apparently that fog happens all the time the last time I flew in there in the back of a Dash 8 they had to do a go around and on the second attempt they put it down despite the fact that you couldn't see the ground until we were already across the fence. I'm not quite sure that landing was legal but they didn't have enough fuel for a third attempt and didn't want to divert.

Regina (and Calgary) weather hosed me over again this week, so I've got a few more day-long bookings made and this time I'm also going to plan to Peace River, which is shorter but still over 300nm. Now that it's a reasonable facsimile of spring around these parts, that might actually be the easier way to go. Probably slightly less boring landscape to fly over, too (though admittedly less conducive to an easy forced approach if necessary).

overdesigned
Apr 10, 2003

We are compassion...
Lipstick Apathy
gj united

https://twitter.com/JayseDavid/status/851223662976004096

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Check out their first tweet about it:

https://twitter.com/united/status/851383383888285696

Seriously reads like "hey owed me some money, can't be held responsible for what happened next".

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


https://twitter.com/LuckyLefty_711/status/851408272653463553

Wow they're dumb

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
HTF is overbooking legal anyway? I get that it's in boilerplate contract, but it's clearly marketed as selling you a seat. Would the FTC allow a store to sell you, say, a TV with a clause in that pamphlet with a bunch of fine print in 6 different languages that says there's a small chance they'll come take it back later?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

vessbot posted:

HTF is overbooking legal anyway? I get that it's in boilerplate contract, but it's clearly marketed as selling you a seat. Would the FTC allow a store to sell you, say, a TV with a clause in that pamphlet with a bunch of fine print in 6 different languages that says there's a small chance they'll come take it back later?

But if you ordered a tv and they ran out they're under no obligation to get you one, just to refund you your money.

I'm pretty sure they're supposed to deny you boarding not kick you off. There's footage of that guy getting back on so I suspect the gate agent realized they hosed up badly.

hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Apr 10, 2017

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
No. They're perfectly able to book only as many tickets as there are seats. The overbooking is on purpose.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
The overbooking is because no airline in the history of airlines has ever been solvent, so they overbook because 99.9% times, someone won't show anyway. Gotta squeeze those bucks.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
They definitely do it on purpose so that they can maximize profits by making sure that every seat is filled no matter what. Statistically one or two people don't make the flight for whatever reason and when someone beats the statistics then WELP guess you got bumped here's a beating Dr Broken Nose.

I hope he sues the poo poo out of them.

i am kiss u now
Dec 26, 2005


College Slice
And yet during this whole time of escalation no one else volunteered to get off the plane? I agree that it's absolutely excessive but I'd be surprised if it didn't take a while to reach this point. He may have become hostile and I think it's hard to automatically point the finger without all the facts.

two_beer_bishes
Jun 27, 2004

Truga posted:

The overbooking is because no airline in the history of airlines has ever been solvent, so they overbook because 99.9% times, someone won't show anyway. Gotta squeeze those bucks.

I know JetBlue has a policy to not overbook flights.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

two_beer_bishes posted:

I know JetBlue has a policy to not overbook flights.

They don't sell more seats than capacity, but they will confirm passengers onto flights beyond their capacity due to irrops and other poo poo.

Speaking of JetBlue have any of you tried the Mint route between JFK and SFO? Is it similar to UA and AA's transcon lie flats?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

i am kiss u now posted:

And yet during this whole time of escalation no one else volunteered to get off the plane? I agree that it's absolutely excessive but I'd be surprised if it didn't take a while to reach this point. He may have become hostile and I think it's hard to automatically point the finger without all the facts.

According to the various articles, the story is that they needed 4 seats for a crew to fly or the next day. There were 2 takers. They were offering a 3pm flight Monday, so a delay of close to 24 hours. That's missing a day of work. Not wasting a PTO day, even if it's available, is probably worth a lot more than the flight coupon (don't they expire in a year anyways?).

The proper solution was to buy a drat taxi for the crew since it's a 4.5 hour drive and eat whatever rest delay that entails. I'm sure United appreciates the customer service republic is providing on their behalf!

dexter6
Sep 22, 2003
Why does my club only provide pledge and paper towels for cleaning off my plane's windshield?

Where I come from I clean windows with windex and newspaper. Is aviation different for some reason?

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Butt Reactor
Oct 6, 2005

Even in zero gravity, you're an asshole.

hobbesmaster posted:

According to the various articles, the story is that they needed 4 seats for a crew to fly or the next day. There were 2 takers. They were offering a 3pm flight Monday, so a delay of close to 24 hours. That's missing a day of work. Not wasting a PTO day, even if it's available, is probably worth a lot more than the flight coupon (don't they expire in a year anyways?).

The proper solution was to buy a drat taxi for the crew since it's a 4.5 hour drive and eat whatever rest delay that entails. I'm sure United appreciates the customer service republic is providing on their behalf!

Plus the gate didn't follow the usual proper overbook procedure, which is to remove the four people who checked in last to provide seats for a deadheading (and probably last minute reflow, hence the ensuing clusterfuck) crew.

e: from all official and my unofficial UAL sources, the people who left were picked randomly, which is why I mentioned the above procedure

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