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On some level I guess I understand the idea that some people are fatigued by Trump and would like a break... but for the life of me I don't understand why THIS SHOW is the place people look for it. Watch some sports or a random comedy or binge a show on Netflix or something. The whole argument of "this comedy show designed to comment on topical political news is spending too much time on the extremist President of the United States" just never really connects to me. As said, he's clearly moved away from devoting half the episode to Trump and just gets in shots and bits on him. But if you just want him to ignore the US Government and POTUS then you're watching the wrong show.
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Apr 8, 2017 21:18
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Right, why would I want to see something different addressed after the canned "Welcome x3/Just enough time for" opening on a once a week basis? I'm clearly watching the wrong show.
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STAC Goat posted:On some level I guess I understand the idea that some people are fatigued by Trump and would like a break... but for the life of me I don't understand why THIS SHOW is the place people look for it. Because it was a best show about important issues like Big tobacco, Indian elections, Payday loans and what not? Now it's just poo poo.
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I understand trump fatigue but a current events comedy show kind of has to address whatever grossly illegal, insane, or country-ending bullshit trump did that day. And it's not like it's wall to wall trump, he did that whole segment on weed last week, and have you forgotten the zebras?
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adhuin posted:Because it was a best show about important issues like Big tobacco, Indian elections, Payday loans and what not? The main 20min story last week was about weed/federal Vs state law and had nothing to do with Trump?
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Apr 8, 2017 22:51
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I'm not telling you you're right or you're wrong, because you're the only person who determines what you like. But if you expect John Oliver's US based show about politics to ignore major US politics then its just probably not ever going to be non "poo poo" to you, at last for the next four years. Like, you can bet that tomorrow's episode includes a segment on Trump's Syria attack and the conflicting politics of it, and probably some of the palace intrigue indirectly connected to it. That's the news of the week. There might be a second in depth interest story on the show, as there was this past week, but there will definitely be at least 3 minutes of Trump (which I believe is about as much as there was of him this past week).
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Solvent posted:Best episode to date. Not the most informative, but the best for sure. adhuin posted:Now it's just poo poo. Cool, we've run the gamut, it's Saturday, let's see how the next one goes. Or drop your, uh, opinions right off, your call
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And I totally get Trump fatigue, which is why I didn't watch this episode until like Thursday because it was the first time I felt like I wasn't already burned out by politics by the time I was unwinding with my TV. Or why I watched Samantha Bee's show on Youtube clips last week because I never really wanted to sit and watch it any night. Or why I skip the Daily Show most days because every day is a bit too much for me. But that's not those shows' faults. That's just the incredible fatigue of the current state of political affairs and news.
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My only worry with focusing on Trump is that, even as prominent as he is, there are still plenty of bad or important things that he's not part of or not responsible for. I'm a little worried of people overlooking the whole deal with allowing ISPs to sell private information just because Trump wasn't at the center of it, and the memory of how the media fell into the trap of becoming a non-stop Trump publicity machine still makes me wary. More importantly, one of the draws of this show has always been the fact that it goes in-depth into topics that often go overlooked. If the show's just going to be parroting whatever few stories the mainstream news got stuck on, it's going to be a lot less interesting. There's always a big load of important things that fall through the cracks. I never would've known about civil forfeiture if it wasn't for this show.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Cool, we've run the gamut, it's Saturday, let's see how the next one goes. Or drop your, uh, opinions right off, your call It was good cause it was almost heartwarming to see the positive reach of the show, with the zebra invite and all. So, that's my take on it. The weed stuff is pretty academic, and the zebras were a nice bit of world news that felt a little bit like people succeeding in making a positive change, in spite of a lovely government. Yeah I watch other stuff completely unrelated to news at all, but there is something to be said for injecting a bit of joy into an otherwise bad lot of news. And as someone who likes John Donne, I can say that beautiful babies ain't so pretty when they're malnourished refugees. Authoritarian figures can suck on that. Missiles aren't gonna help them.
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SlothfulCobra posted:My only worry with focusing on Trump is that, even as prominent as he is, there are still plenty of bad or important things that he's not part of or not responsible for. I'm a little worried of people overlooking the whole deal with allowing ISPs to sell private information just because Trump wasn't at the center of it, and the memory of how the media fell into the trap of becoming a non-stop Trump publicity machine still makes me wary. Part of this issue is that at the beginning of a new administration particularly if they have both legislative branches there are a bunch of huge laws that get pushed. It'd be ridiculous to have Oliver not discuss those which is why he's done a Main Story on ObamaCare, the Budget, and the now failed Trumpcare. When administrations stop pushing huge massive overhauls to entire sectors of the US it's a bit easier to dive into other topics.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm a little worried of people overlooking the whole deal with allowing ISPs to sell private information just because Trump wasn't at the center of it Nothing changed. Everything remains how it's always been. The Republicans removed regulations the Democrats produced in an effort to bolster their support in the election, which had never come into effect yet. There's a lot of breathless reporting about this being a brave new word of online deregulation, yet everything remains as it did in 2016. It's similar to when Clinton lowered the tolerance of arsenic in drinking water just before leaving office, and Bush ate a news cycle of hand-wringing about poison water for putting it back to where it had always been all along. If anything, the Oliver piece would be about media FUD muddying the issue. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Apr 10, 2017 00:32
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Craptacular! posted:Nothing changed. Everything remains how it's always been. The Republicans removed regulations the Democrats produced in an effort to bolster their support in the election, which had never come into effect yet. It effectively destroyed the ability of the FCC to regulate Internet privacy, instead firmly establishing that as the domain of the FTC, which has literally no enforcement power (or interest) in the area. To say "everything is the same" is dishonest as gently caress.
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Baronash posted:It effectively destroyed the ability of the FCC to regulate Internet privacy, instead firmly establishing that as the domain of the FTC, which has literally no enforcement power (or interest) in the area. To say "everything is the same" is dishonest as gently caress. The FTC can't because of the common carrier designation, common carriers are supposed to be the domain of the FCC. As soon as that is rolled back, it all goes back to where things have been. Common carrier will be rolled back because it was intended to be the first phase toward net neutrality, and we all know that any hope of net neutrality died with this election.
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God I can't take readings from Those Who Trespass. They're like a psychic weapon.
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Whew, I guess that's why the episode ran long and didn't even have any And Now breaks. Well, I learned about gerrymandering (and the origin of the term) in high school, but I didn't realize how bad the problem is today--although I suppose it says more about me that I'm still surprised by things like this. How hosed is it when that guy can just get up and say straight up that he's trying to gently caress over democrats, without even trying to hide it? Or that the best advice for democrats is to stop living where you want to live and to spread out and try to colonize less left-leaning districts? Regarding Trump's defense of Bill O'Reilly, I was hoping Oliver would get in that extra jab about this being sexual assault awareness month, of all times.
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404notfound posted:How hosed is it when that guy can just get up and say straight up that he's trying to gently caress over democrats, without even trying to hide it? the thing is the courts have thrown out every redrawn map in north carolina over the past couple years because they're brazenly unconstitutional and idiots like lewis were on record requesting racial census data as a proxy for partisan affiliation http://www.wral.com/supreme-court-orders-review-of-north-carolina-redistricting/14593190/ http://www.wral.com/federal-judges-racially-tainted-general-assembly-districts-must-be-redrawn/15920846/ http://abc11.com/politics/court-orders-nc-to-redraw-districts-hold-elections/1631387/ unfortunately the supreme court delayed the last ruling which calls for special elections this year pending an appeal http://abc11.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-ruling-directing-nc-to-redraw-districts/1695936/
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I liked Oliver's denunciation of liberal pundits who praised Trump's bombing. Oliver's gerrymandering bit was a serviceable "Gerrymandering Problems 101" bit. A kind of think his half-hearted endorsement of independent commissions was kind of lacking. It's just that there's something more hallow and rotten about American democracy that Oliver isn't touching on; and that partisan gerrymandering is only symptomatic of deeper problems with our political system. Obviously, trying to tackle that turns the issue into a different subject. One thing I did wonder though is that he talked about young, college-educated voters rapidly moving into areas already voting for Democrats... I'm just wondering, redistricting is supposed to account for those demographic shifts. Districts can be drawn smaller for urban or cosmopolitan areas (something that's sort of been happening for quite a while). I wanted an explanation to why gerrymandering supposedly obscures them.
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John made the exact same point I made to one of my friends right after the missile strike. We have a president that craves validation from the press and he just got it in spades after taking military action. If North Korea so much as sneezes, I have a feeling he'll be lobbing bombs there as well which is going be very bad for our relations with China.
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bull3964 posted:John made the exact same point I made to one of my friends right after the missile strike. We have a president that craves validation from the press and he just got it in spades after taking military action. I have no faith that the norks wouldn't go all out if Trump shot even one missile into their country.
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Echo Chamber posted:One thing I did wonder though is that he talked about young, college-educated voters rapidly moving into areas already voting for Democrats... I'm just wondering, redistricting is supposed to account for those demographic shifts. Districts can be drawn smaller for urban or cosmopolitan areas (something that's sort of been happening for quite a while). I wanted an explanation to why gerrymandering supposedly obscures them. Because it's the packing concept happening naturally, as democrats pack themselves into San Fran and NYC. You concede those strongholds and focus on breaking up pockets of other D voters to put them in R strongholds. In Australia this stuff is handled by an independent part of the public service and is purely done on population counts and nothing else. I'm sure it happens in some form in places, but overall gerrymandering just seems like an easily solvable problem  I guess it's something you'd need bipartisan agreement to change because it's only when you're not in power that you're in favour of changing the system, and lol at that idea
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bull3964 posted:If North Korea so much as sneezes, I have a feeling he'll be lobbing bombs there as well which is going be very bad for our relations with China. As far as I recall isn't relationships between North Korea and China deteriorating? China as far as I understand is distancing itself as Korea continues crazy missile testing bullshit. Of course they wouldn't be completely complacent with the US bombing the poo poo out of them but I don't believe they're super pals. I really hope hipsters stay far away from the boonies, man. I like my quiet little towns and poo poo and it doesn't need all the pretentious poo poo cities bring. It'd break my heart if the little town I'm from got completely overrun by those kinds of jackasses
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Echo Chamber posted:One thing I did wonder though is that he talked about young, college-educated voters rapidly moving into areas already voting for Democrats... I'm just wondering, redistricting is supposed to account for those demographic shifts. Districts can be drawn smaller for urban or cosmopolitan areas (something that's sort of been happening for quite a while). I wanted an explanation to why gerrymandering supposedly obscures them. It might be that the districts weren't redrawn since before the biggest moves, and will be addressed in the 2020 census. Another point to consider though is that there is evidence of living in the city causes shifts towards liberalism.
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Craptacular! posted:The FTC can't because of the common carrier designation, common carriers are supposed to be the domain of the FCC. As soon as that is rolled back, it all goes back to where things have been. Common carrier will be rolled back because it was intended to be the first phase toward net neutrality, and we all know that any hope of net neutrality died with this election. Oh goody, we can go back to the heady days of Comcast extorting Netflix and companies being able to pay for prioritization. The government is actively and brazenly taking steps to gently caress over consumers in service of some of the largest companies in the world, but you're right, nothing has changed. 
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Servaetes posted:As far as I recall isn't relationships between North Korea and China deteriorating? China as far as I understand is distancing itself as Korea continues crazy missile testing bullshit. Of course they wouldn't be completely complacent with the US bombing the poo poo out of them but I don't believe they're super pals. The relationship between N Korea and China isn't the issue. The issue is military action right on China's doorstep and the refugee crisis that action may create.
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I could've sworn he's done a piece on gerrymandering before, but I might just be misremembering. I also wouldn't get my hopes up for the Supreme Court laying the smack down on gerrymandering, especially from what they did to the voting rights act. I think they've been determined to remain stubbornly ignorant of partisan issues.
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Servaetes posted:As far as I recall isn't relationships between North Korea and China deteriorating? China as far as I understand is distancing itself as Korea continues crazy missile testing bullshit. Of course they wouldn't be completely complacent with the US bombing the poo poo out of them but I don't believe they're super pals. Look, if they do start moving to your town at least you'll be able to say you liked it before it was cool.
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Servaetes posted:As far as I recall isn't relationships between North Korea and China deteriorating? China as far as I understand is distancing itself as Korea continues crazy missile testing bullshit. Of course they wouldn't be completely complacent with the US bombing the poo poo out of them but I don't believe they're super pals. China doesn't want a US military base directly next to their border, which is exactly what would happen once we invade. They are using NK as a buffer zone between them and SK (basically the US). They also know once the poo poo hits the fan, there will be millions of uneducated, malnourished people that don't speak a lick of Mandarin walking across the border into China and they now need help.
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The great red expanses would probably be better off with an Asheville NC type place sprinkled into the mix every couple of counties or so. Someplace for them to mock without having to talk about that scary big city they've never been to and still have it close enough for day trips to the organic, artisinal, moonshine distillery.
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Baronash posted:Oh goody, we can go back to the heady days of Comcast extorting Netflix and companies being able to pay for prioritization. The government is actively and brazenly taking steps to gently caress over consumers in service of some of the largest companies in the world, but you're right, nothing has changed. When a plan to change a situation is axed before it comes into effect, nothing changed in real terms. But yes, I'd expect Trump's FCC chair to reverse the course of Obama's FCC chair and hand back control to the FTC and things will continue as they always have. The people writing scare stories about this being some bill to break open internet privacy are using the same false equivalency that conservatives use when they equate failing to pass a tax cut (or letting a timed tax cut sunset) with successfully passing a tax increase.
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FlyingCheese posted:China doesn't want a US military base directly next to their border, which is exactly what would happen once we invade. They are using NK as a buffer zone between them and SK (basically the US). They also know once the poo poo hits the fan, there will be millions of uneducated, malnourished people that don't speak a lick of Mandarin walking across the border into China and they now need help. This is why literally no one wants to do anything about NK. It would make the ISIL and Syrian civil war refugee crisis look like a day at the beach. And that's after a really costly war. It was a relatively stable situation when only one party was a literal insane manchild but now we have Trump too so this poo poo is really scarey.
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Echo Chamber posted:Oliver's gerrymandering bit was a serviceable "Gerrymandering Problems 101" bit. A kind of think his half-hearted endorsement of independent commissions was kind of lacking. It's just that there's something more hallow and rotten about American democracy that Oliver isn't touching on; and that partisan gerrymandering is only symptomatic of deeper problems with our political system. Obviously, trying to tackle that turns the issue into a different subject. because of the voting rights act there has to be some level of gerrymandering to ensure minority populations have representation that reflects their communities, so you'll always have minority heavy-districts to ensure minority representation in legislature
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The Muppets On PCP posted:because of the voting rights act there has to be some level of gerrymandering to ensure minority populations have representation that reflects their communities, so you'll always have minority heavy-districts to ensure minority representation in legislature While true, the practice of cramming every single minority in the state into one district, if possible, is really spitting in the eye of the spirit of the voting rights act.
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Craptacular! posted:When a plan to change a situation is axed before it comes into effect, nothing changed in real terms. But yes, I'd expect Trump's FCC chair to reverse the course of Obama's FCC chair and hand back control to the FTC and things will continue as they always have. The people writing scare stories about this being some bill to break open internet privacy are using the same false equivalency that conservatives use when they equate failing to pass a tax cut (or letting a timed tax cut sunset) with successfully passing a tax increase. To deny that their behavior hasn't been influenced in part by pending legislation is being disingenuous. They absolutely "cleaned up their act" to a certain extent to engender a less confrontational stance with the FCC with the goal of encouraging less strict regulation. The threat of an even larger stick was always there, so they only tentatively tested the boundaries. There's no threat anymore and there's not enough of a market in most places allow competition to keep them honest. From an anecdotal perspective, I can't believe it was pure coincidence that I was able to finally get full 1080p streams from Netflix on my 50mbps fiber from Verizon before the end of March in 2015, when I struggled to get higher than 480p during peak times prior.
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Oh yeah, also having to think of Bill O'Reily as a sexual being is deeply disturbing, and it's another reminder that there's a whole secret world of powerful men forcing themselves on women. I was under the impression before that O'Reilly was a little critical of Trump beforehand, but I guess this is another one of Trump's rare moments of sympathy. As for the warmongering, I'm pretty sure starting some kind of fight with China was one of the pissfuck's campaign promises. I kind of have to forcibly suppress thoughts about what could happen if he has another one of his flights of fancy to keep from having a panic attack.
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O'Reilly's a huge Trump booster and the two of them are old friends. The only time O'Reilly is "critical" of Trump is when Trump is way outside the lines in his statements, but even then all O'Reilly does is say "he shouldn't have said that, but it doesn't matter." O'Reilly just pretends to be objective and is one of those "I'm not a Republican", BSers.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Oh yeah, also having to think of Bill O'Reily as a sexual being is deeply disturbing, and it's another reminder that there's a whole secret world of powerful men forcing themselves on women. But did he try to seduce them with some falafel?
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Gyges posted:While true, the practice of cramming every single minority in the state into one district, if possible, is really spitting in the eye of the spirit of the voting rights act. Also doesn't the minority rights portion of voting rights only apply to former confederacy? I mean yeah Chicago's weird district is still Democrats being Democrat. But some of those weird rear end districts in the south are packing as many Democrats into one area so that the surrounding districts will be more friendly to GOP candidates.
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