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raditts posted:Uh the hallway fight is episode 2 Everyone calls it "the" hallway fight but it feels like 60% of the fight scenes in Daredevil take place in a hallway or stairwell.
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Jose Oquendo posted:I really don't know why people poo poo on the Snyder movies. You'll never see anything like that at all in a Marvel flick. Because between all those gifable moments there is no coherent or interesting movie. Snyder's movies make a great Tumblr-Comic-book-scenes-of-the-week post, but don't congeal to a good (or even passable) whole.
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Apr 10, 2017 10:26
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Apr 10, 2017 12:29
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ChickenMedium posted:Everyone calls it "the" hallway fight but it feels like 60% of the fight scenes in Daredevil take place in a hallway or stairwell. Or a fire escape.
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Apr 10, 2017 15:13
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Reminds me of this:
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Apr 10, 2017 15:24
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People must have very high standards if Man of Steel can't even be considered "passable".
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SleepCousinDeath posted:People must have very high standards if Man of Steel can't even be considered "passable". Well, I'll certainly pass on it!  Seriously, though, it's a good movie.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:People must have very high standards if Man of Steel can't even be considered "passable". Everything it did good, Superman I and II did better. Everything it did bad, it did really bad.
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Apr 10, 2017 15:49
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Byzantine posted:Everything it did good, Superman I and II did better. Everything it did bad, it did really bad. Nah. Superman 1 and 2 are comparatively boring and dated slogs. Clark is a much better character in MoS as is Lois, rather than being caricatures closer to Popeye and Olive Oil.
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parallelodad posted:Nah. Superman 1 and 2 are comparatively boring and dated slogs. Clark is a much better character in MoS as is Lois, rather than being caricatures closer to Popeye and Olive Oil. That's what made Donner's Superman awesome to me. I much prefer full ham and cheese Clark to "brow mildly furrowed, constantly looking worried that he might have to poo" Clark.
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Apr 10, 2017 16:00
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I hate that I have to say this, but Superman The Movie is really great.
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CelticPredator posted:I hate that I have to say this, but Superman The Movie is really great. Saying otherwise is forbidden
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Apr 10, 2017 16:33
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I dont like Superman the Movie, and I dont really care for any of the films in that set including Superman Returns.
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Byzantine posted:Everything it did good, Superman I and II did better. Everything it did bad, it did really bad. Go ahead and defend this because I don't think their strong points have much in common at all
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Superman II is My Superman, in that he gets into bar fights out of spite.
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Apr 10, 2017 16:56
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FilthyImp posted:Snyder's movies have great visual direction and great visual setpieces. Great visuals are only great when they're servicing a great narrative. Seperating visuals from actually telling a story is something I'll never understand (not saying you're the one doing it tho). e: Lobok posted:I was reading so many old school Iron Fist comics in prep for the show and then the reviews started coming in and... let's just say I'm still enjoying all the old school Iron Fist comics. Are there good iron fist stories from way back? Only familiar with the Fraction run. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Beating the poo poo out of a bar bully out of spite is fine, but damaging a douche bar bully's truck is a bridge too far, because we are coming from the universe where cars represent civilian casualties.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I was joking, I actually got sucked in pretty quick and started watching it straight. The relatively low-key fights are pretty novel compared to doing a bad job at something more extravagant. my god
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well why not posted:Superman II is My Superman, in that he gets into bar fights out of spite. I'm more of a Superman III kinda guy. 
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Shageletic posted:Great visuals are only great when they're servicing a great narrative. Seperating visuals from actually telling a story is something I'll never understand (not saying you're the one doing it tho). Likewise, Wonder Woman's entrance in BvS gives me goosebumps, even though her character was a west dress for most of the film. In separating them from the whole, you're basically saying that the rest of the product was sub-par, despite the brief moment of brilliance, and that it doesn't merit much. By contrast I love the image of Charles Foster Kane clapping for his wife's terrible Opera debut. His intensity rolls through a litany of feeling and it's all reflected in the story being told. It's a great distillation of the character at that point. But as wonderful a scene it is, it would suck without having the rest of the film to inform it.
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Shageletic posted:Are there good iron fist stories from way back? Only familiar with the Fraction run. The solo series with Claremont & Byrne is good and not very long. After that he's paired with Luke Cage for years and I don't think he gets a solo comic again until the 90s. Pre-solo series the fights are very predictable (spoiler alert: he uses his Iron Fist to win every fight) but the very first story arc is good because it's an origin that plays out over multiple issues as a revenge tale.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:People must have very high standards if Man of Steel can't even be considered "passable".
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FilthyImp posted:I think you can separate them to an extent. In fact, if you couldn't separate them, it would be awfully weird the amount of effort dedicated to the creation, celebration, and preservation of visual art that doesn't tell a narrative. Buildings filled with it. Lives dedicated to it. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:What did Man of Steel do that was impressive or even competent in any way? like, everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Na73rOB7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r75QXFqPeOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5pRYuI3etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEAerOfen-o I could link you to the entire movie but that would be 
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SleepCousinDeath posted:like, everything The action is well done and the effects are nice. The characters are boring and the story is trite.
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SleepCousinDeath posted:like, everything
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You don't seem to have any coherent criticism of it. You just keep saying "It's bad. I saw it and it was bad. That's how I know." Actually it was very good. It was extremely well done and better than other comic book movies. There. I have made the equivalent of your post except my post is correct
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Please don't turn this into another thread arguing about Zach Snyder
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parallelodad posted:You don't seem to have any coherent criticism of it. You just keep saying "It's bad. I saw it and it was bad. That's how I know."  v
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parallelodad posted:You don't seem to have any coherent criticism of it. You just keep saying "It's bad. I saw it and it was bad. That's how I know." To be fair that is all you have done as well. You haven't actually explained why it was good, just saying it is. So glass houses.
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Shageletic posted:Great visuals are only great when they're servicing a great narrative. Seperating visuals from actually telling a story is something I'll never understand (not saying you're the one doing it tho). The visuals are the narrative. Movies are moving pictures. There is nothing outside the pictures (and the usually-superfluous audio track). What you are doing is identical to taking a novel and subtracting the words, in search of the story.
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Back to greenlit stuff, the studio that brought you The Nut Job has this arriving in theaters this week... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3228088/ Why are kids movies almost always terrible these days?
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Snyder is really good at cool visuals but almost all his movies could do with being about 40 minutes shorter.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Snyder is really good at cool visuals but almost all his movies could do with being about 40 minutes shorter. I wouldn't go as far as 40 minutes but he really needs to find a good editor,also scripts with a couple more passes.not even rewrites,just make sure stuff has narrative flow.he seems to be a guy who gets over excited over some project and just rushes through.
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Barudak posted:I dont like Superman the Movie, and I dont really care for any of the films in that set including Superman Returns. Superman Returns is a pretty bland movie, but I still think that the plane rescue is the best scene from any superhero movie, Superman or otherwise.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:I wouldn't go as far as 40 minutes but he really needs to find a good editor,also scripts with a couple more passes.not even rewrites,just make sure stuff has narrative flow.he seems to be a guy who gets over excited over some project and just rushes through. Yeah, Snyder didn't write or edit these movies so people holding that against him is kind of silly.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The visuals are the narrative. Movies are moving pictures. There is nothing outside the pictures (and the usually-superfluous audio track). This is incorrect. Films are primarily a visual medium, in so far as they can't be a film without it, but the kind of films under discussion here represent a confluence of elements to create the whole. Citing the audio track as superfluous is a massive misunderstanding of cinema. A version of Son of Saul where the horrific screams and banging of the people in the gas chambers are removed is unimaginable, it's a film that often uses sound to devastating effect. To cite a more mainstream example, imagine Jaws without its iconic main theme. Film has roots embedded in visual art but also in the theatre; where concepts such as act structure, character arcs, dramatic constructs and conflicts create incredible meaning. Take the staginess of some of the early sound pictures, such as Tod Browning's Dracula, which remains an effective telling of the story despite it's somewhat stolid presentation. By reducing cinema exclusively to the visual compositions and discounting all other aspects you deprive it of the incredible complexity and nuance that such a confluence of artistry is capable of. It's a deeply insular and myopic way of looking at the artform.
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Ego-bot posted:Superman Returns is a pretty bland movie, but I still think that the plane rescue is the best scene from any superhero movie, Superman or otherwise. Even as someone that thinks Superman Returns is dogshit that scene is legit awesome in every way and I'm very happy I got to see it on the big screen.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The visuals are the narrative. Movies are moving pictures. There is nothing outside the pictures (and the usually-superfluous audio track). I genuinely love this post because you've entered the Nexus 6 phase and gone from having not actually seen a particular film being discussed to having never seen a movie ever.
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*Heh* Does Annie Hall hold up without audio? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHwIBR6ivA ...I withdraw my objection. porfiria fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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