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Why is a camp with volunteers entertaining the idea of having over rich "exchange" foreigners? Seems weird. You guys might want to get some extra storage for all the loot they'll buy at the mall?
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nickmeister posted:Why is a camp with volunteers entertaining the idea of having over rich "exchange" foreigners? Seems weird. You guys might want to get some extra storage for all the loot they'll buy at the mall? Well, the volunteers are mostly there to work with the animals, which are rescues. We rescue livestock, so we have goats, pigs, rabbits, chickens, and other things that people get as pets because they looked cute on tumblr but will destroy your house, and the local animal shelter wont take them. The daycare and summer camp go along with that, and we also teach kids to not be dicks to animals, how to care for them, and other outdoors fun stuff like gardening. If you work with the kids, you get paid (and have the appropriate backgrounds checks and such). I don't work with the kids any more as I have another job, but do help out on weekends and will sometimes foster baby or smaller animals at my place if they need intensive care. The whole Chinese exchange student thing came from a good friend of the farm who taught in china for many years, who's ex-wife is Chinese, and still maintains close relationships with her old school in China. The school was floating the idea of doing an exchange program in Florida, friend who taught in China mentioned it to my farm boss, and now they're trying to work out a host family and camp program with assistance from the Chinese school and a local exchange program that works with the high school. I'm on the outside looking in on this one, so i'm not aware of the specifics or how they're going to pull this off, but I'm wishing them all the best luck. I'm just curious if anyone has worked with exchange or vacationing kids before. And yeah, it is weird. I might be incorrect in assuming a certain level of affluence, but I gotta figure one's parents gotta be rolling in it to send a kid across the planet for summer camp.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:20
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They will wonder why you are not slaughtering the animals to eat them. When you tell them you are 'rescuing' the animals they will think you are just going to sell them later for some one to eat.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:23
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Suspect Bucket posted:Hey, the farm and summer camp I volunteer at is exploring the opportunity to bring over and host some Chinese exchange kids, 12-16. It's not set in stone, but it could be a cool opportunity. The schools sending them over swear they all speak English. So 1) They may actually speak English but you should expect they will not. Likely situation is if you have say, 20 kids, two might speak English pretty well and you use them to handle the other ones. At least 25% of them will not speak a word. If you do not have Mandarin speakers you will have major issues. 2) In my experience rich Chinese kids have no interests beyond malls and their phones. They'll enjoy Disney at least. 3) General manners, assume they have none because by American standards they won't. You will need to do a full rundown every single outing. Animals, many of them will have never seen animals other than pets before and will be terrified of them. Bugs they'll be familiar with. You may luck out but it'll probably be an enormous shitshow. If you can charge enough money it may be worth it.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:28
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Suspect Bucket posted:Well, the volunteers are mostly there to work with the animals, which are rescues. We rescue livestock, so we have goats, pigs, rabbits, chickens, and other things that people get as pets because they looked cute on tumblr but will destroy your house, and the local animal shelter wont take them. The daycare and summer camp go along with that, and we also teach kids to not be dicks to animals, how to care for them, and other outdoors fun stuff like gardening. If you work with the kids, you get paid (and have the appropriate backgrounds checks and such). I don't work with the kids any more as I have another job, but do help out on weekends and will sometimes foster baby or smaller animals at my place if they need intensive care. This is going to be hilarious.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:39
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:This is going to be hilarious. Yeah if you do this we're going to need daily updates. Even if it goes well it will be very entertaining.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:45
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Suspect Bucket posted:Well, the volunteers are mostly there to work with the animals, which are rescues. We rescue livestock, so we have goats, pigs, rabbits, chickens, and other things that people get as pets because they looked cute on tumblr but will destroy your house, and the local animal shelter wont take them. The daycare and summer camp go along with that, and we also teach kids to not be dicks to animals, how to care for them, and other outdoors fun stuff like gardening. If you work with the kids, you get paid (and have the appropriate backgrounds checks and such). I don't work with the kids any more as I have another job, but do help out on weekends and will sometimes foster baby or smaller animals at my place if they need intensive care. Please post copiously about how this goes down lol
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Apr 11, 2017 02:48
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Always plan for the worst and assume the school is lying about literally everything, is my main advice for dealing with them. They will say anything to get their cut of the parental cash.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:55
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Grand Fromage posted:Always plan for the worst and assume the school is lying about literally everything, is my main advice for dealing with them. They will say anything to get their cut of the parental cash. I'll keep y'all updated if this actually becomes a thing. But kid gloves please, the farm boss is just a nice lady trying to save animals and teach children, and I'm really just there to hang out with the goats nowadays, and have little to no sway on the whole thing other then tidbits of advice. So proactive advice and criticism is appreciated if you can squeeze any out between poop jokes. Suspect Bucket fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Apr 11, 2017 03:05
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Suspect Bucket posted:I'll keep y'all updated if this actually becomes a thing. But kid gloves please, the farm boss is just a nice lady trying to save animals and teach children, and I'm really just there to hang out with the goats nowadays, and have little to no sway on the whole thing other then tidbits of advice. So proactive advice and criticism is appreciated if you can squeeze any out between poop jokes. Based on what I've read in this thread, I expect the kids to manhandle the animals to take selfies with them and injure or kill a few animals in the process.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:19
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GI_Clutch posted:Based on what I've read in this thread, I expect the kids to manhandle the animals to take selfies with them and injure or kill a few animals in the process. Or if they're like the rich urban chinese kids I've seen, be absolutely terrified of all animals. Like panic attack crying and screaming because a dog or a goat or near them.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:32
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I cannot imagine any rich Chinese parents spending money to send their kid to a farm.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:02
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ocrumsprug posted:I cannot imagine any rich Chinese parents spending money to send their kid to a farm. Learn English in America It could be cardboard boxes in a sewer or something.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:05
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ocrumsprug posted:I cannot imagine any rich Chinese parents spending money to send their kid to a farm. I had one kid who was sent to Germany for a year in a way to toughen him up. He came back after 3 months, not knowing any German. Compared to several other kids who had gone to France/Germany in our program and came back fluent after a year.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:42
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Apr 11, 2017 04:44
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Suspect Bucket posted:I'll keep y'all updated if this actually becomes a thing. But kid gloves please, the farm boss is just a nice lady trying to save animals and teach children, and I'm really just there to hang out with the goats nowadays, and have little to no sway on the whole thing other then tidbits of advice. So proactive advice and criticism is appreciated if you can squeeze any out between poop jokes. Being a nice lady isn't going to mean poo poo when Pengpeng gets his face mauled and his parents are out for blood. Does the farm even have liability insurance? What happens if a kid gets sick and has to go to the hospital and it turns out that he doesn't have valid health insurance? The Chinese school isn't going to plan for contingencies so it's all going to become the responsibility of the US organizers to make sure everything is covered. So many things can go wrong and for what? There isn't any upside to all this. Do everything in your power to prevent this plan from happening.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:44
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The upside is they get to post it here for our enjoyment.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:47
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Suspect Bucket posted:The whole Chinese exchange student thing came from a good friend of the farm who taught in china for many years, who's ex-wife is Chinese, and still maintains close relationships with her old school in China. Please google the word "tuhao" and read about rich Chinese. P.S. If your friend taught in China for a number of years and still thinks this is a good idea, he's either trolling you and hates you with every fiber of his being, or he's flying high on the Chinese Century.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:58
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I can't wait to laugh about this, but also feel bad for the poor goats that get euthanized after trampling Xiao Geng, after he tries to set fire to them for the third time and film it on his phone.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:59
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I draw the line at cruelty to animals, cruelty to English teachers is A-OK though.
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Apr 11, 2017 05:09
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Ceciltron posted:I can't wait to laugh about this, but also feel bad for the poor goats that get euthanized after trampling Xiao Geng, after he tries to set fire to them for the third time and film it on his phone. My prediction is after day #2 they are going to be majorly pissed that they are not constantly at Disney Land and visiting upscale malls to spend the thousands of dollars their parents sent with them to get through the month. Those that are curious enough to actually try taking part in the farm activities are going to be very bored very quickly, and the rest will be incredibly insulted that going to a farm means doing "nong labour" and will text their parents to guilt them into not losing any more face by being forced to pretend to be some sort of lowly peasant. Also you are going to get a lot of complaints that they are not hanging out with move stars in LA or checking out times square in New York. big time bisexual posted:Being a nice lady isn't going to mean poo poo when Pengpeng gets his face mauled and his parents are out for blood. Does the farm even have liability insurance? What happens if a kid gets sick and has to go to the hospital and it turns out that he doesn't have valid health insurance? The Chinese school isn't going to plan for contingencies so it's all going to become the responsibility of the US organizers to make sure everything is covered. This a million times! Tell the owner to have 100% verifiable proof that both of these are in order.
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Apr 11, 2017 05:15
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Haier posted:Translation: "The Ex-wife figured out a way to get money out of gullible retards so that other gullible retards abroad get to deal with babysitting a bunch of spoiled shitheads who harbor no interest in the world outside of what is on their phone screen." Exactly. I know a few people who run these programs. The students are probably paying thousands of dollars, the Chinese side takes their cut, and then the next rung down takes a cut. They've got him working a for-profit gig for free.
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http://i.imgur.com/suGZdHN.jpg
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Apr 11, 2017 05:24
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You would have a better chance selling it as a way to toughen the children up. Have them change into old style blue uniforms and caps with red stars on them, and inform them that they are here to learn from the American peasants and the value of hard work that is required to build socialism with Chinese characteristics. Then cut the rations of anyone who complains by half and give the extra food to the ones that follow your orders. After three days, purge one of them and say to the other students that they were stealing the food that was supposed to go to them.
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Apr 11, 2017 05:48
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I wonder what the legal ramifications of running an English School out in the sticks with shipping containers for dorms/classrooms is. What the absolute minimum overhead for "Study English in America?"
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Apr 11, 2017 05:51
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hakimashou posted:I wonder what the legal ramifications of running an English School out in the sticks with shipping containers for dorms/classrooms is. Wait for the money to arrive (a full year paid in advance), then don't bother to pick them up at the airport.
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Apr 11, 2017 06:06
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hakimashou posted:What the absolute minimum overhead for "Study English in America?" Call it a Christian Boarding School, set it up in Florida and you can do whatever you want. http://tampabay.com/faccca/ "The religious exemption protects the programs from inspections by the state’s department of children and families, which means students can be imprisoned or shackled and, unlike with licensed youth programs, can be denied contact with their parents and prevented from accessing child-abuse hotlines. Regulatory authority over these religious programs lies almost entirely in the hands of the Florida Association of Christian Child Caring Agencies (FACCA). And these programs flourish in other states as well, since no national regulations exist to oversee such facilities for teens."
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Apr 11, 2017 06:44
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Suspect Bucket posted:Well, the volunteers are mostly there to work with the animals, which are rescues. We rescue livestock, so we have goats, pigs, rabbits, chickens, and other things that people get as pets because they looked cute on tumblr but will destroy your house, and the local animal shelter wont take them. The daycare and summer camp go along with that, and we also teach kids to not be dicks to animals, how to care for them, and other outdoors fun stuff like gardening. If you work with the kids, you get paid (and have the appropriate backgrounds checks and such). I don't work with the kids any more as I have another job, but do help out on weekends and will sometimes foster baby or smaller animals at my place if they need intensive care. Lmao, is this really happening? That sounds like a script for a movie, with the kind of laughs like dudes getting their ballsack stuck in a zipper and then somebody "accidentally" running over the cat. Quite possible that the nice old lady will be sued for all her stuff, because some little shitstain of a kid tried to set fire to that rooster and it pecked the crap out of it. Haier posted:Translation: "The Ex-wife figured out a way to get money out of gullible retards so that other gullible retards abroad get to deal with babysitting a bunch of spoiled shitheads who harbor no interest in the world outside of what is on their phone screen." Ohhhhhh Let us English posted:Exactly. I know a few people who run these programs. The students are probably paying thousands of dollars, the Chinese side takes their cut, and then the next rung down takes a cut. They've got him working a for-profit gig for free. Oh don't stop, I'm already there.
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Apr 11, 2017 06:57
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I draw the line at cruelty to animals, cruelty to English teachers is A-OK though. What's the difference?
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so the united airlines passenger, Chinese national? His behavior right up until getting beat up seems to match. There must have been a language barrier otherwise I cant imagine him refusing the compensation and throwing his tantrum I do find it hard to believe no one accepted the hotel stay and $400 cash or $800 in vouchers. Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Apr 11, 2017 07:16
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He is a doctor. If that means he's an actual doctor as opposed to someone who peddles TCM for a living, he might have had a fairly urgent case waiting for him in the hospital.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:34
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WarpedNaba posted:He is a doctor. If that means he's an actual doctor as opposed to someone who peddles TCM for a living, he might have had a fairly urgent case waiting for him in the hospital. chiropractors are doctors too and so was MLK, you know exactly what i meant You would imagine someone that others trust with their lives knows a better solution than death gripping the seat and shrieking. United is super in the wrong but something seems off about that guy and im not talking about how he acted after his head trauma
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Apr 11, 2017 07:50
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Blistex posted:Also you are going to get a lot of complaints that they are not hanging out with move stars in LA or checking out times square in New York. I helped organise a summer school a couple of years ago and the Chinese school's original proposed itinerary had them checking out of their hotel in central London, travelling to Oxford for a walking tour of the city and university campuses, and then going up to Manchester for the same before returning to our school (which was still like 2 hours from Manchester). If you know a bit about UK geography it was a comically ambitous plan for kids who would be exhausted from a weekend in London. I guess if I were to give a single bit of advice to people who want to arrange a Chinese exchange (although my experience is limited tbf) I would say to be very strict about what your vision for the project is. If you're wanting to do an intermediate language course for 16-18 year olds then you need to be prepared to say no to all the student's parents who hear about it and want to send their 12 year old who has never seen a word of English in his life. Dont be pressured into becoming a travel agent either. Your partner school/agent will not understand why youre turning down extra cash, but it will save a lot of headaches down the line.
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Fauxtool posted:so the united airlines passenger, Chinese national? I don't think he is cuz the story has been more or less absent from Chinese media so far. If he was you can guarantee it'd be everywhere. The headlines would all be about how awful americans are blah blah... it'd be perfect for them. A lot of stories about sexual assault or murder that involve chinese international students that get no traction in the US get huge traction here, for instance.
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Apr 11, 2017 08:11
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RedTeam posted:Your partner school/agent will not understand why youre turning down extra cash Magna Kaser posted:I don't think he is cuz the story has been more or less absent from Chinese media so far. If he was you can guarantee it'd be everywhere. The headlines would all be about how awful americans are blah blah... it'd be perfect for them. Haier fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Magna Kaser posted:I don't think he is cuz the story has been more or less absent from Chinese media so far. If he was you can guarantee it'd be everywhere. The headlines would all be about how awful americans are blah blah... it'd be perfect for them. A USA Today linked paper has a source saying the guy is David Dao from Elizabethtown, Kentucky. If that's the guy, there's a doctor info aggregator site that says he's had his Kentucky medical license since 1983. I think that rules out "Chinese national". I also found a couple of mentions of an indictment on drug charges (basically writing bad prescriptions) back in 2005. Both of the sites mentioning that were local news sites (not fake sites, unless those have gotten even more elaborate) that seem to have pulled it from AP and didn't really date properly, so I can't really be sure it's legit news. Of course there's no info on how that turned out, though. This story could get interesting.
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MisterOblivious posted:Call it a Christian Boarding School, set it up in Florida and you can do whatever you want. Who wants to get rich and never go to China again?
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http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/rising-waters-imperil-a-world-of-progress-in-southern-china-delta/ Seattle Times taking the gloves off. quote:
LONG VIEW? FACE CULTURE? MONEY? U DECIDE!?
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I was in in the Pearl River Delta for that typhoon in 2008, Typhoon Hagupit, it was bad rear end, my first hurricane! If Dongguan floods, what will become of all the hookers there 
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