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Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

MrUnderbridge posted:

Ok. I get John Bull, he's got a nice club to bash Hitler. And in the middle is Liberté with a deadly... duck? :shrug: in her hand.

But who's the little guy, and what the hell did he throw? A triple shapeless something?

Marianne, not Liberté.

For the small character, I don't know. The fez makes me think of Turkey, but they remained neutral until the war was practically over, though of course perhaps the cartoonist thought they'd join in sooner. The necklace that he carries should probably help identify him; you also see him on another cartoon.


e: Fat dog

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 10, 2017

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Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9U_C_q6WcU

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!


Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~



holy cow that's not a fat dog that's a regular sized horse, and he's beautiful :3:

FaradayCage
May 2, 2010

loquacius posted:

The classic of the form is still Vietnam, which happened under the careful watch of JFK and LBJ

But didn't that lead to the peace-loving hippie movement that is still a solidly democratic demographic?

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Duke Igthorn posted:

"Baphomet! in your mighty name we have confused this small child!"

"Ok one: I'm in the tub. Rude. Two: why should I care about that? What does that gain me? Will more people follow me? Spread my message?"

"Well...I mean...he is now...like..."

*long sigh*

Why are you calling transgender children confused? :what:

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

loquacius posted:

The classic of the form is still Vietnam, which happened under the careful watch of JFK and LBJ

No, it happened under the French. They just passed the buck.

Sandpuppy
Jun 16, 2012

Social Abscess
of the
Universe

You'd think with this being such a rampant problem, he could find a real transgenderrorized child that wouldn't require such poorly photoshopped pigtails.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

21 Muns posted:

Why are you calling transgender children confused? :what:

Read the Dees again, its implication is that this is something being done to children maliciously.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

Somfin posted:

Read the Dees again, its implication is that this is something being done to children maliciously.

So it's circular usage? :v:

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
Also note that Dees falls in line with conservative thought that the only trans people are MtF.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

Somfin posted:

Also note that Dees falls in line with conservative thought that the only trans people are MtF.

It's because he's horrified at the idea of a man becoming a woman, ie "lesser" (to them).

They see it as the natural order of things that a woman would want to "better" herself by attaining male-dom and emulating male activities, so long as doing so doesn't threaten the male gaze or male power. (SEE: "Lesbians are good as long as they are attractive and performing in porn" and "Bisexual means you'll totally let me in on an MFF threesome, right?")

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

It's because he's horrified at the idea of a man becoming a woman, ie "lesser" (to them).

They see it as the natural order of things that a woman would want to "better" herself by attaining male-dom and emulating male activities, so long as doing so doesn't threaten the male gaze or male power. (SEE: "Lesbians are good as long as they are attractive and performing in porn" and "Bisexual means you'll totally let me in on an MFF threesome, right?")

They're also horrified at possibly being attracted to a """man""", which also isn't a danger with FtM trans people.

Murdstone
Jun 14, 2005

I'm feeling Jimmy


As a cartoonist, wouldn't it make more sense to draw an elephant in the room to represent said elephant in the room? Also, an elephant wouldn't be in someone's lap. You know I just don't think this is a very good use of that metaphor.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

Improbable Lobster posted:

They're also horrified at possibly being attracted to a """man""", which also isn't a danger with FtM trans people.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. The endless excuse of Gay Panic.

Johnny Walker posted:

As a cartoonist, wouldn't it make more sense to draw an elephant in the room to represent said elephant in the room? Also, an elephant wouldn't be in someone's lap. You know I just don't think this is a very good use of that metaphor.

Sometimes I think that this Michael Ramirez fellow isn't a very good artist.

Weirdo
Jul 22, 2004

I stay up late :coffee:

Grimey Drawer

Johnny Walker posted:

As a cartoonist, wouldn't it make more sense to draw an elephant in the room to represent said elephant in the room? Also, an elephant wouldn't be in someone's lap. You know I just don't think this is a very good use of that metaphor.

I like how he used the binder printed NORTH KOREA just make sure you get it.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
How is he going to enrage right wingers?

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Easy Salmon Recipe posted:

It's because he's horrified at the idea of a man becoming a woman, ie "lesser" (to them).

They see it as the natural order of things that a woman would want to "better" herself by attaining male-dom and emulating male activities, so long as doing so doesn't threaten the male gaze or male power. (SEE: "Lesbians are good as long as they are attractive and performing in porn" and "Bisexual means you'll totally let me in on an MFF threesome, right?")

Is Dees a sexist in addition to his full on schizophrenia?

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Samurai Sanders posted:

How is he going to enrage right wingers?

Given the path the right has taken over the past few decades, he could be a moderate by their standards in 20 years.

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

Samurai Sanders posted:

How is he going to enrage right wingers?

By not slaughtering RBG and Sotomayor his first day on the job and declaring Full Christofascism Now, waiting until some far-right group gets a case in front of the justices to declare the end of Roe v. Wade and gay marriage....You know, basically being lovely, but not lovely enough.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Pakled posted:

Given the path the right has taken over the past few decades, he'll be a moderate in 20 years.

Also, his rejection of Chevron deference, and assertions of executive authority generally, is potentially going to be an obstacle for the right-wing in the short term.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Samurai Sanders posted:

How is he going to enrage right wingers?

The same way they all do before being labeled as RINOs: He'll be a shitheel, but not by enough for their standards.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

In six months they'll be enraged that abortion is still legal despite no such cases coming before the court

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

Can anyone link the original full comic with the Sickos "Yes ... ha ha ha ... Yes" line? I love that but don't know the context.

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

Jay Rust posted:

France is wielding a shoe

"Honestly, who throws a shoe?"

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Booyah- posted:

Can anyone link the original full comic with the Sickos "Yes ... ha ha ha ... Yes" line? I love that but don't know the context.


sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
just in case you didn't think that Dees comic was dumb enough reminder that 'Baphomet' was entirely made up to smear the knights templar and then latched onto by losers like Lévi to go 'no he really is real and powerful and my friend DOES THAT SHOCK YOU MOM???'. Like, he might as well say trans kids were invented to serve Sauron, it has as much theological meaning

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004


yesss thank you

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

sexpig by night posted:

just in case you didn't think that Dees comic was dumb enough reminder that 'Baphomet' was entirely made up to smear the knights templar and then latched onto by losers like Lévi to go 'no he really is real and powerful and my friend DOES THAT SHOCK YOU MOM???'. Like, he might as well say trans kids were invented to serve Sauron, it has as much theological meaning

I remember reading at some point that the "Baphomet" wasn't entirely made up, rather, it's a corruption of "Muhammad" and medieval Christians mistakenly believed that it was the name of an idol or demon that Muslims worshiped, so the (made up) accusations against the Knights Templar were essentially that they'd "gone native" and become secret Muslims.

But yeah either way, theologically it means nothing.

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


They also believed Muslims worshipped a god called Termagant, which doesn't even seem to be a misunderstanding so much as made up out of whole cloth. I'm surprised that one hasn't come back.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Pakled posted:

I remember reading at some point that the "Baphomet" wasn't entirely made up, rather, it's a corruption of "Muhammad" and medieval Christians mistakenly believed that it was the name of an idol or demon that Muslims worshiped, so the (made up) accusations against the Knights Templar were essentially that they'd "gone native" and become secret Muslims.

But yeah either way, theologically it means nothing.

yea there's some sources that say it's a hosed up version of the last prophet's name in Islam which of course would be an honored figure and make a bunch of idiots who never saw a Muslim before go "AW poo poo THEY PRAYIN TO THAT????" and it was just some Templars writing about talking to Muslims that sparked it.

Schizotek
Nov 8, 2011

I say, hey, listen to me!
Stay sane inside insanity!!!

Lord Hydronium posted:

They also believed Muslims worshipped a god called Termagant, which doesn't even seem to be a misunderstanding so much as made up out of whole cloth. I'm surprised that one hasn't come back.

Why would you worship a Termagant? They're the second lowest on the food chain. They're so disposable they aren't even built with a digestive tract.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Man, I wish my parents were devil worshippers, would've made coming out as trans/Satan's pal pretty easy.

He also doesn't get trans kid healthcare: you never start estrogen treatment before puberty. What usually happens (for kids and parents who want medical intervention) is puberty blocking drugs until the kid gets older, then start HRT. It's not prepuberty then, it's actually starting puberty the same way any other kid does, just with the right hormones for the kid.

Camel Camus
Jun 16, 2009

Mais, non, je suis fantastique!

Schizotek posted:

Why would you worship a Termagant? They're the second lowest on the food chain. They're so disposable they aren't even built with a digestive tract.

Hooooo boy if ever there were two things that don't ever need to meet they'd be the PolToons Thread and WH40K.

Dimebags Brain
Feb 18, 2013





sexpig by night posted:

just in case you didn't think that Dees comic was dumb enough reminder that 'Baphomet' was entirely made up to smear the knights templar and then latched onto by losers like Lévi to go 'no he really is real and powerful and my friend DOES THAT SHOCK YOU MOM???'. Like, he might as well say trans kids were invented to serve Sauron, it has as much theological meaning

Please don't besmirch the good name of Baphomet. He is cool and on like half my shirts.

Skippy Granola
Sep 3, 2011

It's not what it looks like.

Dimebags Brain posted:

Please don't besmirch the good name of Baphomet. He is cool and on like half my shirts.

What's baphomet? Is that the androgynous goat monster?

That must be real shocking for folks at the mall to see

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!


Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

Wow, the recovery really has begun. After a gigantic three-month stroke, I'm willing to forgive them a very confused and vague metaphor.

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