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Entebbe because why the gently caress not let's see some poo poo go down
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Entebbe this because its too good a crazy plan to give up and gives an amazing scenario for the nutjobs from the other thread on the ground.
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Just a quick question for Yooper: if we do go for the Entebbe option, what exactly are we obligated to tell our employers about? "Hey, so we're going to steal the Dragons for ourselves instead of killing them, kthx" doesn't seem like the greatest pitch. I mean there are worse pitches, but still.
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Apr 11, 2017 06:11
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Ask yourself, what would Charles Bronson do? He would Entebbe.
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Apr 11, 2017 06:19
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Well, India probably cannot just claim the planes for themselves. That would be pushing their involvement too much. But if we steal them, they could certainly get a good look. Enough to better understand how to beat them AND give a boost to any 5th gen program of their own. Worst case, if India wants to keep any stealth fighters we capture, we should either demand a kinds ransom in cash or some other planes. Whatever top of the line stuff India has should be on the table. Also, if we happen to capture the strike force on the ground, there may be some worthwhile airframes. The JH-17 seems like it could make a great addition to our growing force.
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It does... Up until you realise that we are solely dependent on the Chinese for the more advanced munitions for them, and I do not see them selling weapons to the company that 1) sank one of their frigates 2) bombed their airbase and 3) helped free Tibet.
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This all hinges on us successfully taking over a Chinese military air field and they conveniently left the keys in the jets and we brought along pilots who just so happen to know how to fly Chinese fighters. All of this before the local garrison catches wind.
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Quinntan posted:It does... Up until you realise that we are solely dependent on the Chinese for the more advanced munitions for them, and I do not see them selling weapons to the company that 1) sank one of their frigates 2) bombed their airbase and 3) helped free Tibet. except they're back in the warlords era. Theres probably some dude willing to sell some stockpile he isnt going to use, and failing that china is probably triple corrupt by this point so finding some missiles that fall off the back of a truck should be doable for our good friend abramof. therefore Entebble
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Ok, so there are lots of ways to try and pull this off. For the record: they are all bad ideas. And I'm not sure Yooper will even be able to execute them in CMANO. 1. The (marginally) safer option is to use paratroopers instead of landing on the field. We don't have airborne-capable transports. But the Indians have several aircraft that can carry paras. They have Il-76MDs, C-130Js, An-12s, and C-17s. We might be able to set up a deal to escort 2-3 Indian transports to the target. We focus all our efforts on destroying AAA and SAMs. They could drop paras drop directly on the airfield or just outside the airfield. The paras could then assault the airfield. Once we control the air base, we could get some Mandarin speakers to send out a bogus report the para's assault failed -- they can contact the J-20s and vector them onto the field. Once they land, the Indians can grab the entire intact squadron of J-20s. And we'd better get a drat big bonus. 2. We paint the KC-135 in civilian colors and take off the refuelling boom. Pack it full of Indian commandos. We send it along normal commercial flight routes. They contact Lhasa tower with a feigned Mayday call. The plane lands, they Indians pop the escape slides and storm the base. The moment the KC-135 touches down, we send our strike force overhead to hammer the Chinese and support the Indian commandos. Then, we try the same J-20 capture ploy. ...I have no idea if this is even feasible in CMANO.... Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Kriff it, going with Entenbe. If it can be realistically planned I vote we go for it. At the very least, we go out in a blaze of glory and high explosives.
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Apr 11, 2017 06:46
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Entenbe because we might has well cycle through the reserves
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I'm full Entebbe on this. To put my money where my mouth is, I'm willing to accept any risky task: flying Frogfeet or Hawks, piloting the transport, dangling from the transport on a bungee cord and using a BB gun to suppress AAA...
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Crazycryodude posted:Look
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If there were stockpiles, they'd be expended by now. In modern war, munitions expenditure has always been astronomical, far higher than armed forces have planned for. Look at the the Yom Kippur War, for example, where stockpiles of missiles and ammunition were drained so fast both the Soviets and NATO were stripping units in Europe of equipment to supply the Israeli and Arab armies, or the Gulf War, where stockpiles of precision guided munitions were used at a far higher rate than the coalition expected. Even the NATO intervention in Libya had pretty much every European nation involved raiding their reserved NATO war stocks, as well as getting extras from the US in order to keep the campaign going, though that can also be seen as a damming indictment of modern European militaries and their lack of funding. Either way, we would be hard pressed to find any remaining stockpiles and even harder pressed to persuade their owner to sell then to us. There's also the issue of his how we intend to fly aircraft out. Are we intending to replace highly trained commandoes with pilots who barely know how to work a pistol? Aren't we destroying or degrading the runway while we are doing this? Do our pilots know how to start Chinese jets? Starting a jet aircraft is a highly involved, complicated and, most importantly, time-consuming process. All this time, we are waiting for the J-20s to finish off the Indians and come back to deal with whatever the J-16s and J-10s haven't shot down yet. Earlier someone compared this to Operation Mikado, a suicide mission where the SAS would have destroyed Argentine aircraft on the mainland. I think that's doing a disservice to Mikado. At least that wasn't dependent on one transport, at least that was intending to blow up the target aircraft and not steal them, and at least the target airfield was close to the Chilean border so if things went south as they inevitably would, they could have made a run for the border.
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Let's Entebbe! It's the right thing to do, it's the goony thing to do!
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Operation Entebbe The Dragon really needs extra troops inserted via helicopter. India's Mi-17s do have the range to make it to Lhasa from Lakhimpur and Bagdogra.
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Zaodai posted:It seems odd to me that this game is one of those ultra-groggy sims and yet (apparently) artificially caps weapon ranges super hard This, in turn, means that the altitude and speed of the launching aircraft matter a whole lot. quote:and has poo poo damage models. That's an "interesting" assertion. Please elaborate, demonstrating where the Command dev team has made mistakes in the damage modelling.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:49
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Kill the drat airfield, you manaiacs
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Quinntan posted:Earlier someone compared this to Operation Mikado, a suicide mission where the SAS would have destroyed Argentine aircraft on the mainland. I think that's doing a disservice to Mikado. At least that wasn't dependent on one transport My Jimmy Carter-sense is telling that yes, we should try to send more than one plane (helicopter?) to attempt the ground-team insertion.
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I thought about 'Pose as a civvy plane in distress, maybe report being hijacked by the Tibetans that the Chinese don't like to get landing clearance' but then I remembered a whole 747 was shot down for less and scratched that off my list
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gradenko_2000 posted:My Jimmy Carter-sense is telling that yes, we should try to send more than one plane (helicopter?) to attempt the ground-team insertion. They actually had multiple aircraft in Operation Eagle Claw involved in that whole debacle, and a bunch of helicopters got captured by the Iranians. I think there's still a few of them in service there.
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simplefish posted:I thought about 'Pose as a civvy plane in distress, maybe report being hijacked by the Tibetans that the Chinese don't like to get landing clearance' but then I remembered a whole 747 was shot down for less and scratched that off my list The issue here would be getting the plane to appear neutral while still carrying our BLUFOR troops. Then switch to being BLUFOR on landing. And it'd have to simulate the troops taking out ground targets -- which I'm not sure the engine can do. The biggest obstacle to Poor Man's Entebbe is that it might not be doable in-game....
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The 747 was neutral too and wasn't asking to land at a military airbase about to launch a strike... We're going to have to take out the ADS then either land or drop in Indians. Probably land, for numbers. And yeah I don't know that it can be done in engine but hell, we gotta try
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Do you think it's worth offering wild weasel services to civilian airlines? Could be an interesting bonus money-maker. I am torn on this mission. I just can't vote on it, I want to support plan sell-the-rights-to-Hollywood and plan don't-be-loving-idiots, I'm torn.
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Dimitris posted:That's an "interesting" assertion. Please elaborate, demonstrating where the Command dev team has made mistakes in the damage modelling. That might just be the impression because I keep talking about DPs, even though the damage model is more than just "hitpoints." Either that, or I was just complaining that the RK 90 Mjolners seem to be bugged. Both the anti-tank and anti-personnel variants seem to cause nearly no damage to anything. Sorry for not submitting a proper report on the forums.
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I'd like to Entebbe but I haven't seen a plan yet that seems workable. The basic idea is nice and the outcome would be hilarious but we have a perfectly good airfield kill op ready to go so let's kill it.
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Psawhn posted:That might just be the impression because I keep talking about DPs, even though the damage model is more than just "hitpoints." (There are in fact different types of damage: Effects from direct impact and/or penetration [also covers internal detonation], proximity blast [further divided to air/water/ground-transmitted shock], cluster weapons, EMP pulse, fragmentation, incendiary, nuclear fireball [ <-- the only way to physically remove a runway BTW], short-range neutron wave, thermobaric etc. One damage effect missing that we'd like to add is the immediate thermal pulse from nuclear detonations.) quote:Either that, or I was just complaining that the RK 90 Mjolners seem to be bugged. Both the anti-tank and anti-personnel variants seem to cause nearly no damage to anything. Sorry for not submitting a proper report on the forums.
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I gotta say, Killing is what we are good at and that's how we are going to roll. Leave the Entebbe redux for when we have some Hinds and extra transports to conduct truly astounding shenanigans. If you want some suggestions to what our ground forces do, they'd better learn chinese and put on some captured uniforms for some rhodie poo poo. Triple A fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Kill too risky to, steal them: I'm just going to take our $150 million and run.
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 Operation Hollywood (Aka Operation Entebbe the Dragon) To safely land the commando transport, we need to send both Su-25s hunting around airfield with a full load of Vikhr missiles and let them shoot up anything they see that looks vaguely threatening. I also task a Gripen with loitering around the area with LGBs, waiting to pop any concealed SAMS or MANPADS that stick their heads up. To try to maintain surprise, I’m setting a lot of planes to keep their radars off until it’s time to get the show started. I've also timed things, so planes start preparing to take off at the listed time. Other than that, planes should try to depart airfields in the order I've listed them. Goons voting for this plan must also choose a sub-vote. Do we tell the Phantoms to degrade the airfield, or use their 2000 lb Paveways to delete buildings? Anti-Runway Phantoms: Drop bombs on both runways to degrade each by 40%. Each anti-runway cluster bomb carried by the Phantoms will degrade the runway by about 20% (As long as they drop it along the runway, not across it.). As far as CMANO is concerned, planes can still take off and launch when the runway has taken 40% damage, but I think Yooper has said he'll GM rule this as the runway is out of operation? But if regular planes can't take off, how will our commando transport plane land? Bomb Truck Phantoms: Drop 2000 lb Paveways on things instead. That's a lot of boom. Each bomb can be used to blap a command building, or an infantry pillbox, or accidentally an entire tank platoon. But if the commando operation fails, nothing stops the Chinese from launching their bombing mission and taking their revenge on everybody. === Map:  ==== Aircraft: Option Anti-Runway Phantoms: 1 Flight of 2x F4-E Phantom II from Lakhimpur. Equipment: DWS.39 AFDS Anti-runway cluster bombs. (2xDWS.39, 2xAMRAAM, DECM Pod, 3x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Degrade Lhasa Airport Runway. 1.1. Each Phantom attacks one Runway. 1.2. Remember to set up the attack PARALLEL to the runway! 2. Engage air targets of opportunity. 2.1. Remain near Lhasa airbase to provide CAP until fully Winchester or RTB Bingo. Flight Plan: -Take off from Lakhimpur. Head to Gorsam Pass. Radar OFF. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas: Raise altitude to maximum. DECM ON. Radar ON. Proceed to IP California. -At IP California, ensure attack run is parallel to the runways.  -Proceed to engage runways as briefed. -After bombs are expended, remain near Lhasa airbase to provide CAP, until Bingo fuel or fully winchester. Option Bomb Truck Phantoms: 1 Flight of 2x F4-E Phantom II from Lakhimpur. Equipment: GBU-24A/B (2x GBU-24, 2x AMRAAM, 1x Litening Pod, 1x DECM Pod, 3x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Attack targets in vicinity of Lhasa Airport (1 Paveway each), with priority: 1.1. Command/Control buildings 1.2. Administrative Buildings 1.3. Infantry pillboxes 1.4. Armored Vehicles 1.5. Other targets of opportunity 2. Engage air targets of opportunity 2.1. Remain near Lhasa airbase to provide CAP until RTB Winchester or RTB Bingo. Flight Plan: -Take off from Lakhimpur. Head to Gorsam Pass. Radar OFF. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas: Raise altitude to maximum. DECM ON. Radar ON. Proceed to mission area and engage targets as briefed. -After bombs are expended, remain near Lhasa airbase to provide CAP, until Bingo fuel or fully winchester. 1 Flight of 1x S 100B Argus AEW from Lakhimpur Mission: Provide AEW&C from a safe position. Flight Plan: Depart Lakhimpur. Radar OFF. Head to a location covered by friendly or allied SAMs. T+00:12:00 Radar ON. Provide airborne early warning and control. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “High CAP” Equipment: Meteor, Max Intercept. (4x Meteor, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: Provide air cover to strike package. If hostile J-16s are bearing straight for High CAP, pilots are allowed to "kite" them by launching longer-range Meteors at max range, then turning tail. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Proceed with anti air patrol over mission area. -At the Tibet/Indian border, Radar ON. -Continue to provide air cover for strike package until mission success, RTB Winchester, or RTB Bingo. 3 Flights of 2x SK 60Bs from Yonphula. Equipment: Rockets Mission: 1. Destroy targets of opportunity in the vicinity of Lhasa Airport, with priority: 1.1. OCCUPIED Runway Access Points 1.2. Soft Targets Flight Plan: -Depart from Yonphula. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas, head to IP Montana -Muster at IP Montana until SEAD and Hammer flights are winchester. -Increase throttle to full military power. Raise altitude to AUTO. Proceed with BAI as briefed. -RTB Winchester. 1 Flight of 2x Su-25T Frogfoot from Yonphula. Equipment: 9M120 Vikhr-M (16x Vikhr, 2x R-60TM, 2x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. SEAD and BAI the Lhasa Airport vicinity, with following priority: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs 1.2. High-Threat AAA 1.3. OCCUPIED Runway Access Points. 1.4. All other AAA 1.5. Armored Vehicles 1.6. Soft Military Targets -Pilots are AUTHORISED to use GUNS on ground targets. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas, head to IP Montana -Wait at IP Montana until SEAD and Hammer flights are Winchester. -Proceed to mission area and engage targets as briefed. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Yonphula, “SEAD” Equipment: RB 65 Heavy (4xAGM-65B, 2xIRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Conduct SEAD along flight path and in vicinity of Lhasa Airport. Target priority is: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs. 1.2. High-Threat AAA. (Radar-cued AAA) 1.3. Low-Threat AAA. (Optically-tracked 23 and 25 mm AA guns) 2. Attempt to bait hidden SAM and MANPADS threats for flight “Popper.” 3. Engage air targets of opportunity. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas: Raise altitude to maximum. DECM On. Radar On. Proceed to mission area and perform SEAD as briefed. -Do not RTB when Winchester. Withdraw to IP California and wait until “Popper” is on station. -Change doctrine to “Jettison ordinance when under attack.” -When “Popper” is on station, make a few passes of of Lhasa airbase at full afterburner and medium altitude (less than 12,000 feet AGL), to try to bait hidden missiles sites. -RTB when JOKER fuel. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Yonphula, “Hammer” Equipment: GBU-49, Heavy (4x GBU-49, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Pod) Mission: 1. Destroy mission targets in vicinity of Lhasa airbase. Priority: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs 1.2. High-Threat AAA 1.3. OCCUPIED Runway Access Points 1.4. All other AAA 1.5. Armored Vehicles 1.6. Soft Military Targets Flight Plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas: Raise altitude to maximum. DECM On. Proceed to mission area and perform SEAD and BAI as briefed. -Do not RTB Winchester. Withdraw to IP Montana. -Provide CAP for follow-on strike forces. -RTB when Bingo fuel or fully Winchester. 1x JAS 39C Gripen from Yonphula, “Popper” Equipment: GBU-49, Heavy (4x GBU-49, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Pod) Mission: Search and destroy hidden SAM and MANPADS threats in vicinity of Lhasa airbase. Use available sensors to search for camouflaged SAM and MANPADS. Be prepared to counter-engage missile threats as they expose themselves by firing at friendly air assets. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas: Raise altitude to maximum. DECM On. Proceed to mission area and perform SEAD as briefed. 1 Flight of 2x Hawk 209 from Yonphula. Equipment: AGM-65G (2xAGM-65, 2xSidewinder-P, 2x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Destroy targets in the vicinity of Lhasa Airport with the following priority: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs 1.2. High-Threat AAA 1.3. OCCUPIED Runway Access Points 1.4. Occupied A/C Tarmac Spaces 1.5. All other AAA 1.6. Armored Vehicles 1.7. Soft Military Targets 2. Engage air targets of opportunity Flight Plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas, head to IP Montana -At IP Montana: Increase throttle to full military power. Raise altitude to AUTO. Proceed with BAI as briefed. -After all AGM-65s are expended, withdraw to a safe distance from Lhasa, and engage air targets if they attempt to take off. -RTB when Bingo fuel or fully Winchester. Scheduling info. High CAP should be ready to begin counter-air operations immediately when I-SPY goes active. This should be early enough to let High CAP clear the ingress corridor (Gorsam-Texas-Montana) before the strike planes. SEAD and Hammer should arrive far enough apart to deconflict targets. The Phantom's targets should not overlap with SEAD/Hammer, so it may begin its offensive any time after or simultaneous with SEAD. The SK 60s, Su-25s, and Hawks may begin offensive operations after SEAD and Hammer flights have destroyed all known high-threat SAMs and AAA. Extra ROE: -When flying low, remember to set altimeters to AGL. (Check “Terrain Following” in the F2 menu). -When engaging air targets, ensure that both speed and altitude are at pilot discretion. (Auto) -SEAD strikes are conducted at high altitude (36,000 feet) and military throttle. -High CAP station altitude is at the maximum for a Gripen (45,000 feet). -When engaged defensive, speed is at pilots discretion. (Auto) -If a plane is spotted on a runway access point, somebody has to engage it ASAP with any available weapons (including guns). -Engage BVR combat with 1.5 Meteors/AMRAAMs per hostile plane, rounded down. (Engage single bandits with 1 missile at a time. Engage pairs of bandits with 1 missile each, then send a third missile. ) -If a hostile plane manages to take off, engage it with heaters first (Sidewinders or IRIS-Ts) unless nearing bingo fuel. They’ll be low and slow just after taking off, so easy pickings. Save the Meteors or AMRAAMs for scary-looking planes that are already in the air. -Engage High-Threat SAMs/AAA with 2x Mavericks or 1x LGB. Engage other ground targets (including low-threat AAA) with 1x Maverick or 1x LGB. Psawhn fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Kill the airbase, there is just no real chance of successfully pulling off a capture and we can't risk our transport.
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Perhaps we can compromise/cover ourselves: attempt the airstrike to knock the runway out, but if the runway isn't degraded enough then we drop in the ground troops to try to Entebbe it? I really don't want anything taking off from that airbase, whatever happens.
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Saros posted:Kill the airbase, there is just no real chance of successfully pulling off a capture and we can't risk our transport. Yeah this is my vote too
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Operation Strict Parenting The objective is to disable the airbase by bombing its runways with anti-runway bombs. It's much less risky than any Entebbe mission, but still exposes the Su-25s to some risk. Goons voting for this plan most also choose a sub-vote: Light Attackers Yes, or Light Attackers No. The tradeoff is being able to hit lots of planes on the ground, but putting our light attack planes at more risk than otherwise. === Map: ==== Aircraft: 1 Flight of 2x F4-E Phantom II from Lakhimpur. Equipment: DWS.39 AFDS Anti-runway cluster bombs. (2xDWS.39, 2xAMRAAM, DECM Pod, 3x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Degrade Lhasa Airport Runway. 1.1. Each Phantom attacks one Runway. 1.2. Remember to set up the attack PARALLEL to the runway! 2. Engage air targets of opportunity. Flight Plan: -Take off from Lakhimpur. Radar OFF. Head to Yonphula using terrain masking. -Head to IP Texas -At IP Texas: Raise altitude to maximum. Raise throttle to maximum military power. Radar ON. Proceed to IP California. -At IP California, ensure attack run is parallel to the runways. -Proceed to engage runways as briefed. 1 Flight of 1x S 100B Argus AEW from Lakhimpur Mission: Provide AEW&C from a safe position. Flight Plan: -Depart Lakhimpur. Radar OFF. Head to a location covered by friendly or allied SAMs. -Radar On when on station. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “High CAP” Equipment: Meteor, Max Intercept. (4x Meteor, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: Provide air cover to strike package. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Begin offensive counter air operations. -Radar on only after crossing the Indian-Tibetan border. -Continue to provide air cover for strike package on egress. 1 Flight of 2x Su-25T Frogfoot from Yonphula. Equipment: BetAB-500SP Anti Runway Bomblets (8x BetAB-500SP, 2x R-60TM) Mission: 1. Degrade Lhasa Airport Runway. 1.1. Each Frogfoot attacks one Runway. 1.2. Remember to set up the attack PARALLEL to the runway! Flight plan: - Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Proceed IP Montana using terrain masking. - Wait at IP Montana as needed, until SEAD and Hammer flights are Winchester. - At IP Montana: Altitude to maximum. Thrust to maximum military power. Head to IP California - At IP California, ensure attack run is parallel to the runways. - Proceed to engage runways as briefed. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “SEAD” Equipment: RB 65 Heavy (4xAGM-65B, 2xIRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Conduct SEAD along flight path and in vicinity of Lhasa Airport. Target priority is: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs. 1.2. High-Threat AAA. (Radar-cued AAA) Flight plan: -Depart Lakhimpur . Radar OFF. -Muster at Lakhimpur for operations. -Proceed to mission area and perform SEAD as briefed. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “Hammer” Equipment: GBU-49, Heavy (4x GBU-49, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Pod) Mission: 1. Provide additional SEAD and target localization using targeting pods. Prioritize: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs 1.2. High-Threat AAA Flight Plan: -Depart Yonphula. -Muster at Lakhimpur for operations. -Proceed to mission area and perform SEAD as briefed. 1 Flight of 1x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “Secondary CAP” Equipment: Meteor, Max Intercept. (4x Meteor, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: Provide air cover to friendly assets. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF -Radar ON when crossing India-Tibet border. -Provide CAP for friendly assets. OPTIONAL: Light Attackers Yes 3 Flights of 2x SK 60Bs from Yonphula. Equipment: Rockets Mission: 1. Destroy targets of opportunity in the vicinity of Lhasa Airport, with priority: 1.1. Occupied Runway Access Points 1.2. Occupied A/C Tarmac Spaces Flight Plan: -Depart Yonphula. Proceed to IP Montana using terrain masking. -Muster at IP Montana -Increase throttle to full military power. Raise altitude to AUTO. Proceed with strike as briefed. OPTIONAL: Light Attackers Yes 1 Flight of 2x Hawk 209 from Yonphula. Equipment: AGM-65G (2xAGM-65, 2xSidewinder-P, 2x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Destroy targets in the vicinity of Lhasa Airport with the following priority: 1.1. Occupied Runway Access Points 1.2. A/C Hangars 1.3. Occupied A/C Tarmac Spaces 1.4. Other targets of opportunity. Flight Plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Proceed to IP Montana using terrain masking. -Muster at IP Montana -Increase throttle to full military power. Raise altitude to AUTO. Proceed with strike as briefed. Scheduling: Phantoms head to Yonphula, to follow their waypoints. They perform their strike with no mustering. First flight of Gripen CAP begin anti air operations immediately. SEAD and Hammer only muster for each other at Lakhimpur, then proceed to the airfield together. Su-25s wait at IP Montana until the AA is suppressed, then proceed with strike. Hawks and SK 60Bs muster at IP Montana, and then strike over the mountains together. Extra ROE: -When flying low, remember to set altimeters to AGL. (Check “Terrain Following” in the F2 menu). -When engaging air targets, ensure that both speed and altitude are at pilot discretion. (Auto) -When engaged defensive, speed is at pilots discretion. (Auto) -SEAD strikes are conducted at high altitude (36,000 feet). -When on station, SEAD/Hammer "Automatic Evasion" doctrine is No. Yes, those are scary-looking missiles, but they're trying to shoot down your missiles, not you. But if you drop below 36,000 feet they will keep shooting missiles at you until you're killed to death. -High CAP station altitude is at the maximum for a Gripen (45,000 feet). -Use default WRA for A2A combat. (Default is 2x Meteors on Generation 4 planes like the J-16). -Engage Ground targets with 2x Mavericks and 2x LGB at a time. (WRA) Psawhn fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Apr 11, 2017 11:19
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I'm kinda worried that you're leaving us without adequate air cover, Psawhn.
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Apr 11, 2017 11:25
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Quinntan posted:I'm kinda worried that you're leaving us without adequate air cover, Psawhn. The way I was figuring it, the Phantoms have 2 AMRAAMS each, though, and we've got lots of heaters. That's a total of 8 Meteors and 4 AMRAAMS, which can kill about 6 J-16s if they take 2 missiles each. I figure that after that we'll have closed the range and can use IRIS-Ts. I don't think we have the spare airframes for an extra CAP fighter in the Entebbe plan, though. We need to be absolutely sure that we've scoured Lhasa airbase at anything that can even look at us funny, which means maximum targeting pods and maximum A2G ordnance. But I think you're right. I'll swap over 1 of the LGB armed Gripens to a secondary CAP for each of the Kill-The-Airfield missions. Operation Surprise, Motherfuckers! The objective is to disable the airbase by taking out its key infrastructure: The ammo storage and fuel tanks. It exposes our aircraft to the least risk. Goons voting for this plan most also choose a sub-vote: Light Attackers Yes, or Light Attackers No. The tradeoff is being able to hit lots of planes on the ground, but putting our light attack planes at more risk than otherwise. === Map: ==== Aircraft: 1 Flight of 2x F4-E Phantom II from Lakhimpur. Equipment: GBU-24A/B (2x GBU-24, 2x AMRAAM, 1x Litening Pod, 1x DECM Pod, 3x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Attack mission target in vicinity of Lhasa Airport: 1.1. 200 kL Underground fuel tank 2. Engage air targets of opportunity Flight Plan: -Take off from Lakhimpur. Radar OFF. Altitude to 1000 feet AGL. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -Muster at IP Texas if needed for time on target. -Raise altitude to maximum. Throttle to maximum military power. Radar ON. Proceed to mission area and engage target as briefed. 1 Flight of 1x S 100B Argus AEW from Lakhimpur Mission: Provide AEW&C from a safe position. Flight Plan: Depart Lakhimpur. Radar OFF. Head to a location covered by friendly or allied SAMs. T+00:12:00 Radar ON. Provide airborne early warning and control. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “High CAP” Equipment: Meteor, Max Intercept. (4x Meteor, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: Provide air cover to strike package. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Begin offensive counter air operations. -Radar on only after crossing the Indian-Tibetan border. -Continue to provide air cover for strike package on egress. 1 Flight of 2x Su-25T Frogfoot from Yonphula. Equipment: Kh-29L. (Laser-guided variant, NOT the EOTV variant) (2x Kh-29L, 2xR-60TM, 2x Drop Tanks) Mission: 1. Attack mission target in vicinity of Lhasa airbase: 1.1. 200 kL Underground Fuel Tank -Remember to maintain laser guidance to target. Flight plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas, head to IP Montana -Muster at IP Montana -Proceed to mission area and engage targets as briefed. 1 Flight of 2x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “SEAD” Equipment: RB 65 Heavy (4xAGM-65B, 2xIRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) 1 Flight of 1x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, "Anvil: Equipment: GBU-49, Heavy (4x GBU-49, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Pod) Mission: 1. Conduct SEAD along flight path and in vicinity of Lhasa Airport. Target priority is: 1.1. High-Threat SAMs. 1.2. High-Threat AAA. (Radar-cued AAA) Flight plan: -Depart Lakhimpur . Radar OFF. -Muster at Lakhimpur for operations. -Proceed to mission area and perform SEAD as briefed. 1 Flight of 1x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “Hammer” Equipment: GBU-49, Heavy (4x GBU-49, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Pod) Mission: 1. Destroy mission targets in vicinity of Lhasa airbase: 1.1. 2x LGB at the 750 kL Tank Farm 1.2. 2x LGB at the Ammo Storage Shelter Flight Plan: -Depart Lakhimpur. Radar OFF. -Proceed to mission area and engage targets as briefed. 1 Flight of 1x JAS 39C Gripens from Lakhimpur, “Secondary CAP” Equipment: Meteor, Max Intercept. (4x Meteor, 2x IRIS-T, 1x Drop Tank) Mission: Provide air cover to friendly assets. Flight plan: -Depart Lakhimpur. Altitude to mission height immediately. Radar Off. -Radar On when crossing the India-Tibet border. -Provide CAP for egressing friendly assets. OPTIONAL: Light Attackers Yes 3 Flights of 2x SK 60Bs from Yonphula. Equipment: Rockets Mission: 1. Destroy targets of opportunity in the vicinity of Lhasa Airport, with priority: 1.1. Occupied Runway Access Points 1.2. Occupied A/C Tarmac Spaces Flight Plan: -Depart from Yonphula. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas, head to IP Montana -Muster at IP Montana -Increase throttle to full military power. Raise altitude to AUTO. Proceed with strike as briefed. OPTIONAL: Light Attackers Yes 1 Flight of 2x Hawk 209 from Yonphula. Equipment: AGM-65G (2xAGM-65, 2xSidewinder-P, 2x Drop Tank) Mission: 1. Destroy targets in the vicinity of Lhasa Airport: 1.1. A/C Hangars Flight Plan: -Depart Yonphula. Radar OFF. Fly at 1000 feet AGL. Proceed to Gorsam Pass. -At Gorsam Pass, head to IP Texas -At IP Texas, head to IP Montana -Muster at IP Montana -Increase throttle to full military power. Raise altitude to AUTO. Proceed with strike as briefed. Scheduling: Phantoms head to Yonphula, to follow their waypoints. Muster at IP Texas if needed for TOT. First flight of Gripen CAP begin anti air operations immediately. SEAD Flights only muster for each other at Lakhimpur, then proceed to the airfield together. All strike aircraft should schedule for simultaneous time on target, arriving at the airfield a minute or two after SEAD flights. Extra ROE: -When flying low, remember to set altimeters to AGL. (Check “Terrain Following” in the F2 menu). -When engaging air targets, ensure that both speed and altitude are at pilot discretion. (Auto) -When engaged defensive, speed is at pilots discretion. (Auto) -SEAD strikes are conducted at high altitude (36,000 feet). -When on station, SEAD/Anvil "Automatic Evasion" doctrine is No. Yes, those are scary-looking missiles, but they're trying to shoot down your missiles, not you. But if you drop below 36,000 feet they will keep shooting missiles at you until you're killed to death. -High CAP station altitude is at the maximum for a Gripen (45,000 feet). -Use default WRA for A2A combat. (Default is 2x Meteors on Generation 4 planes like the J-16). -Engage Ground vehicles with 2x Mavericks and 2x LGB at a time. (WRA) Psawhn fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Apr 11, 2017 11:47
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Voting is Closed The Entebbe is possible mechanics wise. I can absolutely make a script to swap the airbase from one side to the other. Though this is going to need testing. I'm not entirely sure what happens to enemy planes on the ground. We can't carry enough dudes in our CN235. This would be a coordinated op with the Indian's for sure. Bac is correct, we don't have any good way to model ground success. I'd probably say that if all the transports got on the ground it'd be a success. IF we did succeed we'd not get to keep any of the jets. It'd be a nice bonus, and that's it. The J-20 isn't far beyond a fancy prototype in many regards. No spares. No manuals laying around. Lemme tally the votes and see how it shakes out. We might just Kill it and I'll run the Entebbe as a "simulation".
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Apr 11, 2017 12:15
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Quinntan posted:I'm kinda worried that you're leaving us without adequate air cover, Psawhn. Agreed. Psawhn posted:
I like this plan, and am voting for it with the light strike option. A couple of notes. 1. I don't think this plan gives us enough CAP birds. We've been briefed that there's a wing of J-16s guarding Lhasa airbase. We need at least three or four Gripens with Meteors doing dedicated CAP work to keep our strikers safe. Would you add 1-2 more CAP birds? 2. I'd consider giving the Hawks 4x Rockeye cluster bombs instead of the Mavericks. If they are overflying the field at the same time as the Su-25s and the SK 60s, it'll help split up the fire of the AAA batteries -- which gives our vulnerable Su-25s better odds of survival. 3. Given the SK 60s rocket debacle last turn, let's set the rocket release range to 1 to 1.5 km. This will give them better odds of landing hits. Can we work this into the plan? 4. All the aircraft here have different cruising speeds -- do you think we'll run into an issue where they get too strung out and don't arrive together? Should we give them some kind of keep formation or throttle setting order?
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Apr 11, 2017 12:19
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Aw man, just a little bit to late for the vote  In case a tiebreaker is needed, I vote to kill. Entebbing would be too drat risky.
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Apr 11, 2017 12:31
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  We're not committed to an Entebbe yet. I need to test a few things out. The biggest sticking point is the "Volunteers" need to push back a line of Chinese troops in mountain passes all the way to Lhasa Gonggar Airport. 571 km away. They can take the road through Lhasa, knock 140 km off, but now they have to fight through a city. All the while those Indian troops on the ground need to hold out against the Chinese pounding them with everything they got, including what's likely to be long range bombers from China itself. This is like everything that was a bad idea about Operation Market Garden but without Germans. edit Mikl's vote takes it to 21/23. I'll get back to you on this once I do some testing. For now assume it's a KILL mission.
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