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Concerned Citizen posted:if the race is (as previously projected) a double digit blowout then the dnc is right that there is nothing they can do to impact that, and they shouldn't get involved. but if it ends up being a 1 point race they sure are going to look stupid They could show they have a 50 state strategy and vaguely care about winning seats. got any sevens posted:I wish someone would hack the warhammer mmo to host a server for it, i remember it was cool but didn't play it long :/ The goblin witch doctor from W:AR was one of the most fun classes I've ever played. Didn't really care for most of the rest of the game, but swinging between heals and blasts was pretty fun
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SKULL.GIF posted:November 9, 2016 idk what you're trying to say here, bottom line is party doesn't have unlimited money or even remotely have the capacity to spend in every district. spending in uncompetitive districts fattens consultant wallets but it doesn't make win races. like i said, they'll look pretty dumb for missing the boat if the race ends up being a 1 pointer, but some people are just really mad about the dnc not throwing money into fire pits even if it would cost us a seat in 2018.
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Not a Step posted:They could show they have a 50 state strategy and vaguely care about winning seats. even when we had a 50 state strategy, we did not spend in ks-04. you can't spend in every district. it's not possible.
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punk rebel ecks posted:The Supreme Court would be reasonable if it had terms limits so that a president is guarantee to select a justice every four years once they are (re)elected. No, that would make corporate influence in government even worse, this idea is really really bad
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Concerned Citizen posted:even when we had a 50 state strategy, we did not spend in ks-04. you can't spend in every district. it's not possible. How many districts are having special elections right now though? Could you spend there?
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got any sevens posted:I wish someone would hack the warhammer mmo to host a server for it, i remember it was cool but didn't play it long :/ Someone did. It's a bit rusty, last I checked most of the PQs straight didn't work.
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Not a Step posted:How many districts are having special elections right now though? Could you spend there? turns out that money you have now can also be spent next year, and the party will already face a shortfall trying to fund enough seats to win back the house.
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Concerned Citizen posted:even when we had a 50 state strategy, we did not spend in ks-04. you can't spend in every district. it's not possible. Lol the district asked for $20k. There are 435 congressional districts. That's a whopping $8.7mil to spend $20k in every district in the us. Reminder that Clinton spent $1 billion to loving lose to orange pissbaby.
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Bernie could literally get on TV and drop his pants and take a huge coiled poo poo on the podium and ask everyone to pay $2 if that's what they thought of the Democrats and would have that fundraiser done in like a week.
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Concerned Citizen posted:and the party will already face a shortfall trying to fund enough seats to win back the house. If only they could get behind meaningful candidates and a strong left message to match the GOP's gently caress you got mine mantra. Nah, Tom Perez just needs to schmoozing those Tech and Finance lobbyists to start up HVF 2.0
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Lol the district asked for $20k. HRC posted:What kind of genius loses a billion dollars in a single year?
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Lol the district asked for $20k. the dude asked the kansas democratic party for a $20k mailer they couldn't afford, not the dnc/dccc. they wanted a lot more than $20k from national dems. regardless, $8.7 million is a lot of money for the dccc. they could found a couple house races for $8.7m. the fact that clinton spent $1 billion and lost should probably clue you in that spending can't win races by itself, and sending good money into bad areas is a waste of time. everyone would lol at hillary spending money in wyoming, so there would be no reason not to lol at dccc for spending money in some wyoming at large special election. that doesn't mean the dems are always right about what races will be competitive (and when they're wrong, it's almost always that they funded a race that ended up not being competitive) but it does mean the dems can't throw around money like they have an infinite bag of cash.
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Always Sunny title card: "Hillary loses a billion dollars in a single year"
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Bernie could literally get on TV and drop his pants and take a huge coiled poo poo on the podium and ask everyone to pay $2 if that's what they thought of the Democrats and would have that fundraiser done in like a week. bernie's coiled turds form perfect Fibonacci spirals
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Concerned Citizen posted:the fact that clinton spent $1 billion and lost should probably clue you in that Concerned Citizen posted:sending good money into bad areas is a waste of time. everyone would lol
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HiHo ChiRho posted:If only they could get behind meaningful candidates and a strong left message to match the GOP's gently caress you got mine mantra. so which of jon ossoff and james thompson are you describing as "meaningful candidates with a strong left message?"
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Joementum posted:good morning the groundbreaking zero-state strategy
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I don't think the DNC putting some money into one or two very close high-profile races with serious national messaging implications necessarily means they have to pour money into every race that happens everywhere, CC
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loquacius posted:I don't think the DNC putting some money into one or two very close high-profile races with serious national messaging implications necessarily means they have to pour money into every race that happens everywhere, CC no poo poo, but no one believed (and perhaps dems still don't believe) that ks-04 is a high profile close race. if you fund a special you can't win now, that means reduced funding for winnable seats. the whole logic of "well what's one more seat worth of funding" ignores that dems can only really fully fund like 30-40 seats a year.
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Shear Modulus posted:at least people are starting to realize that the dnc is clueless and are giving money to him directly yeah but he got money like 4 days out, which is kind of a waste
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Concerned Citizen posted:no poo poo, but no one believed (and perhaps dems still don't believe) that ks-04 is a high profile close race. if you fund a special you can't win now, that means reduced funding for winnable seats. the whole logic of "well what's one more seat worth of funding" ignores that dems can only really fully fund like 30-40 seats a year. i think you'll find that the dnc is literally scrooge mcduck and just hordes money in it's bin and never gives it to anyone ever
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Concerned Citizen posted:i mean i wouldn't really blame them :thinkingfaceemoji:
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the headline is unfortunate, but the text of the article is Extremely Correct Concerned Citizen posted:the dude asked the kansas democratic party for a $20k mailer they couldn't afford, not the dnc/dccc. they wanted a lot more than $20k from national dems. regardless of whether spending money there is a good investment or not, can we agree that publicly tweeting "it's great that you're enthusiastic and poo poo but you're not getting a single cent from us" is extremely bad messaging, especially when the Dems have been having big voter enthusiasm problems lately? imo, pouring outside money into that race won't meaningfully affect the result and would probably be a waste of money in the short-term. but on the other hand, money isn't everything, and trying to ultra-optimize spending like this is a lot of what got the Dems into trouble in the first place. the DNC would probably be better off giving at least a token amount and thinking of it as an investment in the long-term viability of Kansas Democrats
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Remember last year when the circle of life was explained as 'donors max out to the state parties, the state parties turn all that over to the national party, then the national party gives back to the states where needed' and a lot of people said that sounded really complicated and mostly like a way to funnel money into the HRC campaign rather than help states and they were told thats just how it works? Welp.
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Bernie's coiled turd is the most popular piece of poo poo in America. *extreme partisan baby* Umm, that's because his turd was never exposed to the elements. Like let his turd sit out in the sun and see how much you like it 
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Frijolero posted:Bernie's coiled turd is the most popular piece of poo poo in America. The outer layer dries up and blows away in the wind revealing the solid 30 karat diamonds born from his 40 years of rear end-clenching hatred for the neo-libs.
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Main Paineframe posted:the headline is unfortunate, but the text of the article is Extremely Correct it's not unfortunate, white people are garbage
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Not a Step posted:Remember last year when the circle of life was explained as 'donors max out to the state parties, the state parties turn all that over to the national party, then the national party gives back to the states where needed' and a lot of people said that sounded really complicated and mostly like a way to funnel money into the HRC campaign rather than help states and they were told thats just how it works? Basically every bad and shady thing the Hillary campaign was accused of last year has been confirmed to be true.
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Thoguh posted:Basically every bad and shady thing the Hillary campaign was accused of last year has been confirmed to be true. I can't believe she sold 20% of our uranium to Russia and had Chris Stevens killed on purpose to cover up their secret gun smuggling from Benghazi to noted geographically close location, Syria.
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Concerned Citizen posted:yeah but he got money like 4 days out, which is kind of a waste (Not a question, a statement)
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The national dems control the democratic party There will be practically no democratic party if they don't help democrats get elected in more places than the safe spot national seats that are influenced by local populous' votes and direction the local demographic is leaning. In other words just as planned by the national dems. Cus gently caress the people, lobbyists are where it's at.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Democrats: Why even try. Not seeing how you can consistently say Dems were bad for spending resources in TX/AZ/GA and also say the Dems are bad for not spending resources in KS and.... GA.
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zegermans posted:Not seeing how you can consistently say Dems were bad for spending resources in TX/AZ/GA and also say the Dems are bad for not spending resources in KS and.... GA.  energyRead my posts and troll me based on my points. Don't be an idiot. Unless you're too low energy, which then: Why even try.
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zegermans posted:it's not unfortunate, white people are garbage yeah, but black people are garbage, brown people are garbage, yellow(?) people are garbage, etc turns out the problem is that people are garbage and skin color doesn't really play into it
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Also it's bad messaging that if the local Dem party can't even afford a measly 20k and the national Dem party doesn't care about the local Dems. What use is the national Dem party for the local Dems? Especially if in areas like that the messaging of the national party is garbage. Don't just let them choose between Republican and Unviable. The Dems need to kick the Republican's teeth in in every race. Our Revolution is stepping in to support them, how long before the local Dems realise that they might get better messaging by disassociating themselves with a selfish party that tells them to gently caress off. The Democratic party is almost a party of opposition in name only, with no real opposition power as a party on the levels where it matters. Maybe they should try to avoid that? Or yanno. Why even try. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 18:27 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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