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Fasdar posted:If we make it to 2050 and aren't facing a massive global refugee crisis Is this not already happening? Maybe not in the Americas but pretty much everywhere else.
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Death to Canada.NewForumSoftware posted:Is this not already happening? Maybe not in the Americas but pretty much everywhere else.
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Apr 11, 2017 18:58
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Yes, I am referring to basically the entire bottom decile of humanity (~ 700,000,000 to a billion people by 2050) having a powerful and compelling reason to flee in any direction from wherever they are. What we have no is around a few million people with a reason to leave, a few reasonable destinations, and maybe, someday, a plan to move back home.
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Apr 11, 2017 19:11
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Yeah, the potential for things to get worse quickly is huge. The current state of the Middle East should be proof that you don't need to literally create a post-apocalyptic hellhole for systems to rapidly break down.
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Apr 11, 2017 19:14
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And people say geoengineering is unrealistic 
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Apr 11, 2017 20:07
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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So buying a motorcycle to double my gas mileage would be a moot point, huh? I really should focus that money into learning a medieval trade skill for when society collapses and we enter the After Times. Maybe we should link the DIY/Hobbies forum in the OP.
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Apr 11, 2017 20:31
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vermin posted:So buying a motorcycle to double my gas mileage would be a moot point, huh? I really should focus that money into learning a medieval trade skill for when society collapses and we enter the After Times. No, buying a motorcycle is a good idea because it is fun and distracts you from the fact that major, permanent, painful societal upheaval is probably less than a generation away.
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Apr 11, 2017 20:44
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vermin posted:So buying a motorcycle to double my gas mileage would be a moot point, huh? I really should focus that money into learning a medieval trade skill for when society collapses and we enter the After Times. Buying a motorcycle is good because it can get you a lot further with a given amount of fuel, which everyone knows will be extremely limited once we're in a Mad Max type setting. The downside of course is that it doesn't offer shelter against the elements when you're camping in the post-apocalyptic wilderness, whereas you can sleep in a car... So it's a tough decision.
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Apr 11, 2017 20:58
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And if zombie movies and the stand are any indication, the stopped/broken down cars all over the roads and highways will be easier to navigate with a motorcycle
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Apr 11, 2017 21:01
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Edit: You know what. This is a bad post.
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Apr 11, 2017 21:02
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So I should go find a remote mountain lake/valley or something and start building my self-sustaining survivalist compound within the next decade or so, right?
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Apr 11, 2017 21:07
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Crazycryodude posted:So I should go find a remote mountain lake/valley or something and start building my self-sustaining survivalist compound within the next decade or so, right? Nah, you're much better off saving money and trying to buy one of these http://www.missilebases.com/properties
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Apr 11, 2017 21:12
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The best bet would be to form a seemingly harmless cult. People need people.
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Apr 11, 2017 21:14
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I make this post all the time, but the serious answer is to just live within your means as best you can and save what you can. If we reach a point where the economy has collapsed and money no longer acts as a cushion then we're so hosed that nothing you do now will help you. Things aren't going to get that bad in the US or other developed nations, though. The worst case scenario is just going to be a grinding decline where you're really sure that things used to be better, and for the first time in human history you'll probably be right. edit- basically it's always crazy to be a prepper. don't become a prepper. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Paradoxish posted:I make this post all the time, but the serious answer is to just live within your means as best you can and save what you can. If we reach a point where the economy has collapsed and money no longer acts as a cushion then we're so hosed that nothing you do now will help you. Things aren't going to get that bad in the US or other developed nations, though. The worst case scenario is just going to be a grinding decline where you're really sure that things used to be better, and for the first time in human history you'll probably be right.
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Apr 11, 2017 21:28
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call to action posted:No, buying a motorcycle is a good idea because it is fun and distracts you from the fact that major, permanent, painful societal upheaval is probably less than a generation away. Plus you have a better chance of being an organ donor!
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eNeMeE posted:Plus you have a better chance of being an organ donor! I actually opted out of organ donor status when I started riding just to spite people that make jokes like this, to ensure that I'll have the last laugh
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Apr 11, 2017 21:56
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call to action posted:I actually opted out of organ donor status when I started riding just to spite people that make jokes like this, to ensure that I'll have the last laugh Good, your irrational thinking fits right into the society that created this completely ridiculous fate. Also lol at that chart and report saying the last two years showed "unprecedented" emissions. Anything that happens with climate change that is negative should be by law required to be referred to as "Completely Precedented".
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Apr 11, 2017 22:44
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TildeATH posted:Good, your irrational thinking fits right into the society that created this completely ridiculous fate. The rate of shittiness is unprecedented though. We're hitting the gas pedal right now.
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Apr 11, 2017 22:47
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Salt Fish posted:The rate of shittiness is unprecedented though. We're hitting the gas pedal right now. Literally the same rate of shittiness. We've been hitting the gas pedal as long as things have had gas pedals.
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Apr 11, 2017 22:48
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TildeATH posted:Good, your irrational thinking fits right into the society that created this completely ridiculous fate. Not really, I kinda got tired of people laughing at my prospective death, and nobody is entitled to my organs (sorry I believe in bodily autonomy Mr. Pro Life)
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Apr 11, 2017 22:49
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call to action posted:Not really, I kinda got tired of people laughing at my prospective death, and nobody is entitled to my organs (sorry I believe in bodily autonomy Mr. Pro Life) You're a dummy using mystical thinking to try to exercise property rights on your fleshy bits after death. It doesn't matter. I doubt the ecomutants of Cursed Earth are going to check your ID before they start chowing down on your liver, anyway.
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Apr 11, 2017 22:52
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TildeATH posted:You're a dummy using mystical thinking to try to exercise property rights on your fleshy bits after death. Sorry I don't agree that bodily autonomy is mystical thinking, feel free to keep the screeching derail going tho
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Apr 11, 2017 22:53
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I'm a strong and independent corpse and no ecomutant is going to tell ME what seasonings belong on my liver!
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call to action posted:Sorry I don't agree that bodily autonomy is mystical thinking, feel free to keep the screeching derail going tho You better pray the ecomutants have gotten to the point where they're ritualistically sharpening their teeth or it's going to hurt like hell when they start eating you.
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Apr 11, 2017 22:55
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I'm gonna take your kidneys from your corpse. What are you gonna do about it?
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Apr 11, 2017 23:15
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You don't get bodily autonomy after you're dead. How are you gonna enforce it? Go ahead, haunt me, I'll be enjoying your heart all the same. Well, as long as the eco-mutants don't get to it first.
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call to action posted:I actually opted out of organ donor status when I started riding just to spite people that make jokes like this, to ensure that I'll have the last laugh Congratulations on being an awful person, I guess?
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eNeMeE posted:Congratulations on being an awful person, I guess? yea but as long as he doesn't *believe* he is its all good
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Crazycryodude posted:You don't get bodily autonomy after you're dead. How are you gonna enforce it? Go ahead, haunt me, I'll be enjoying your heart all the same. Well, as long as the eco-mutants don't get to it first. The ecomutants are evolved enough that they don't mind if you get a few years of use out of a dumb guy's heart before they kill you and eat it along with your original organs.
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TildeATH posted:The ecomutants are evolved enough that they don't mind if you get a few years of use out of a dumb guy's heart before they kill you and eat it along with your original organs. So are these mutants ecological ones or economical ones
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Apr 12, 2017 00:23
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Oxxidation posted:So are these mutants ecological ones or economical ones Given that they cite Hornberg and Crumley's "The Earth System and the World System" I gather they're enlightened enough to not think of that as two distinct entities.
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Is CO2 extracted per capita a meaningful measure of anything? Resource exporting countries would naturally expected to produce more of said resource per capita than their net importing buyers.
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Paradoxish posted:I make this post all the time, but the serious answer is to just live within your means as best you can and save what you can. If we reach a point where the economy has collapsed and money no longer acts as a cushion then we're so hosed that nothing you do now will help you. Things aren't going to get that bad in the US or other developed nations, though. The worst case scenario is just going to be a grinding decline where you're really sure that things used to be better, and for the first time in human history you'll probably be right. What makes you think it won't get that bad in the US? There are already places in the US that are miserable hellholes not much different from poor third world countries. There are already tens of millions of Americans living in poverty. There are millions of Americans one step away from living in the street (and millions that do live in the street, usually 3-4 million experiencing homelessness a year). About half the population of the US is classified as poor or low income. There are places in the USA that have the worst life expectancy in the western hemisphere outside of Haiti. The US has a horrific dysfunctional government and a lot of very vulnerable coastlines. This doesn't sound like a place well equipped to deal with the worst effects of climate change.
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Kenzie posted:There are already places in the US that are miserable hellholes not much different from poor third world countries No there aren't you're being a dummy.
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Apr 12, 2017 03:33
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TildeATH posted:No there aren't you're being a dummy. lol you seen midwest rural life?
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Grognan posted:lol you seen midwest rural life? lol you been to a Mumbai slum?
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Conspiratiorist posted:Is CO2 extracted per capita a meaningful measure of anything? It can be used to tell which countries are being jerks and which other ones are being total jerks and which are actually somewhat decent. Compare resource exporting countries with other resource exporting countries. Compare first world countries with other first world countries. USA, 16.1 tonnes per capita, France 5.1. Basically USA is a big jerk head. Australia is even a bigger jerk head at 18.6. I am Australian. Our government is a very very hateful government.
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TildeATH posted:lol you been to a Mumbai slum? Yeah. The only thing that distinguishes Mumbai slums from Native American Reservations in the Dakotas is scale. Other than that though, you wouldn't be able to tell which is which by looking at these photos for example:   
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TildeATH posted:No there aren't you're being a dummy. The people of Flint, Michigan might like a word with you on that point. Or any sufficiently abandoned, deindustrialized city. Or any native American reservation. Or.... You get the idea.
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