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Because the premise is solid (group of survivors navigate post-apocalyptic world) but the writing, acting, narrative, casting, filming, budget and source material are all quite bad.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I don't know why anyone thinks a change of setting would help this show when Fear the Walking Dead is even worse. Well a cooler climate would keep Rick from drowning in his own sweat all the time
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Apr 11, 2017 19:46
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DC should be cold in the winter
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Apr 11, 2017 19:50
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Bigass Moth posted:Because the premise is solid (group of survivors navigate post-apocalyptic world) but the writing, acting, narrative, casting, filming, budget and source material are all quite bad. Well yeah if you change everything about the show it would be different. The awful writing and pacing are the issues, the setting and plot would not be a problem with a creative team that was actually good.
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Apr 11, 2017 19:53
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I want rick and pals to sail to Atlantis. Or the Bermuda Triangle.
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Apr 11, 2017 21:22
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When the show either outpaces the comic or it's time for show to be taken out to pasture, I hope they don't try to shoehorn in a reason/explanation or cure for the zombie problem. God, I don't even want to imagine... Episode 1: a mysterious stranger is seen lurking around Rick's group! Episode 2: a deadly game of cat and mouse! But who's hunting whom?! Episode 3: Daryl or someone gets injured/impossibly trapped by walkers during the search! It'll be Daryl. Episode 4: They finally catch the man, who claims to be a scientist! He has all the information on the disk... only it's a 3.5" floppy! Episode 5: The team debates trusting the man, particularly the data format. Everyone wonders where Daryl is to send him on a trip to find it. Morgan and Ezekiel go. Episode 6: Bottle episode; we get to see Daryl wince and cry as he struggles to rejoin the group. Episode 7: on a dangerous adventure, Morgan and Ezekiel have to venture into an underfunded inner-city school in search of a suitably old computer. Episode 8: All storylines converge, and the new arrival seems nervous when the appropriate computer arrives. After setting it up, he hesitates, until Rick pulls his gun, threateningly. Right after he inserts the floppy, but before anything can be shown on the screen, Eugene appears. Shocked, he asks: 'Marcus?' *tense musical stinger*
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Apr 11, 2017 22:47
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Barbed Tongues posted:Do they actually whisper all the time in the comics? Cause that's hard to film. Oh god, you're probably right.
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Apr 12, 2017 01:25
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Boy I wish people would keep openly talking about the comics in here. Not that from what I gather, anything really happens after Negan
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Apr 12, 2017 01:34
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Fog Tripper posted:Boy I wish people would keep openly talking about the comics in here. That's something I think they really should deviate from, as it shows Rick's testicles are absolutely missing now.
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Apr 12, 2017 01:37
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I kept thinking more interesting things would happen, like a shift in focus from the original group toward people on the front lines or on the exploration frontier as people from the original group died off or took on leadership roles that would realistically be boring most of the time. Kirkman said in the "letters to the editor" section that there would be more exploration of things like setting up a post-apocalypse judicial system. It looked like the feud between Rick and Maggie over hanging Gregory after he tried to poison Maggie or things like Rick embracing "SILENCE THE WHISPERS" propaganda tactics could lead to someone walking the villain path and a civil war. Instead the the Saviors are attacking again, which makes sense for them but is boring.
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Apr 12, 2017 02:05
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galenanorth posted:I kept thinking more interesting things would happen, like a shift in focus from the original group toward people on the front lines or on the exploration frontier as people from the original group died off or took on leadership roles that would realistically be boring most of the time. Kirkman said in the "letters to the editor" section that there would be more exploration of things like setting up a post-apocalypse judicial system. It looked like the feud between Rick and Maggie over hanging Gregory after he tried to poison Maggie or things like Rick embracing "SILENCE THE WHISPERS" propaganda tactics could lead to someone walking the villain path and a civil war. Instead the the Saviors are attacking again, which makes sense for them but is boring. Just watch Z Nation
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Apr 12, 2017 04:15
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Barreft posted:Just watch Z Nation Z Nation is somehow better than an AMC show despite being made by The Asylum. Also it has a lot more cute dogs than The Walking Dead.
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Apr 12, 2017 05:13
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Has it been speculated what the gently caress Daryl said when he was storming Alexandria with Maggie? Watched some clips to figure out if the latter half of the season is worth anything and from what I can see they finally gave Eugene something to do and it's all really good. The rest just looks like the usual garbage though.
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Apr 12, 2017 09:27
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The Eugene episode really was the best one.
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Apr 12, 2017 09:41
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I still can't believe the trash crew mcpoyles are the only ones smart enough to use bicycles
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Apr 12, 2017 13:21
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Space Crabs posted:Well a cooler climate would keep Rick from drowning in his own sweat all the time But instead we just get entire seasons of weird, badly-written faction vs. faction drama, which has been done to death at this point. melon cat fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Apr 12, 2017 15:29
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They do at least start wearing fashionable jackets at the end of every season.
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Apr 12, 2017 15:35
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melon cat posted:That's one thing this show's really missing- showing the challenges of survival during seasonal weather changes. Or the weird things that happen when the wilderness takes over human living areas unabated. Telltale's TWD game actually did a great job showing this- people getting cold, hungry, and trying to keep their sanity during the non-growing seasonal months. They kind of touched upon this back in the prison when that killer flu was going around. Not that I'm trying to insert realism into this series (LOL), but I'm pretty sure that starvation, sickness, and death from exposure would be bigger issues during societal collapse than a baseball-wielding guy who arches his back a lot. That's the thing - the appeal of the apocalypse genre basically boils down to exploring and back-to-basics problem solving. TWD doesn't really do either anymore. Surviving in the TWD universe entails growing a vegetable patch. Water supply is solved, somehow and power for heating and cooking is not an issue. Like they don't have to make an episode about chopping wood or whatever but seeing how you solve some of those problems is interesting. Wouldn't you try to build a DIY windmill? What about a watch tower? There's dead cannibal herds lumbering around so maybe seeing them ahead of time would be useful. It's something they could just do 5 min. per episode or just have going on in the background and it would make the universe a little fuller. The extent of their existence is growing cantaloupes, killing each other because of cantaloupes and being sad about all the killing.
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Apr 12, 2017 16:45
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Bates posted:That's the thing - the appeal of the apocalypse genre basically boils down to exploring and back-to-basics problem solving. TWD doesn't really do either anymore. Surviving in the TWD universe entails growing a vegetable patch. Water supply is solved, somehow and power for heating and cooking is not an issue. Like they don't have to make an episode about chopping wood or whatever but seeing how you solve some of those problems is interesting. Wouldn't you try to build a DIY windmill? What about a watch tower? There's dead cannibal herds lumbering around so maybe seeing them ahead of time would be useful. It's something they could just do 5 min. per episode or just have going on in the background and it would make the universe a little fuller. The extent of their existence is growing cantaloupes, killing each other because of cantaloupes and being sad about all the killing. The problem is at a certain point civilisation stops being a zombie apocalypse survival thing and starts being a Western (with zombies).
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Apr 12, 2017 17:18
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cosmically_cosmic posted:The problem is at a certain point civilisation stops being a zombie apocalypse survival thing and starts being a Western (with zombies). That doesn't sound like a problem, unless you aren't willing to wholeheartedly make that shift. Oh wait.
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Apr 12, 2017 17:39
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Are children with roller skates a staple of Westerns...?
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Apr 12, 2017 17:42
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Bates posted:That's the thing - the appeal of the apocalypse genre basically boils down to exploring and back-to-basics problem solving. TWD doesn't really do either anymore. Surviving in the TWD universe entails growing a vegetable patch. Water supply is solved, somehow and power for heating and cooking is not an issue. Like they don't have to make an episode about chopping wood or whatever but seeing how you solve some of those problems is interesting. Wouldn't you try to build a DIY windmill? What about a watch tower? There's dead cannibal herds lumbering around so maybe seeing them ahead of time would be useful. It's something they could just do 5 min. per episode or just have going on in the background and it would make the universe a little fuller. The extent of their existence is growing cantaloupes, killing each other because of cantaloupes and being sad about all the killing. Hey they do have watch towers (that people routinely abandon). Remember when the Kingdom were amazed that Carol killed a couple zombies outside their gates, and they offered no help and made no attempts to keep the immediate area around their base clear?
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Apr 12, 2017 17:44
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Bigass Moth posted:Hey they do have watch towers (that people routinely abandon). Maybe she was holding their very last sign post?
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Apr 12, 2017 19:16
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It seems to me that Alexandria (and I guess maybe the Saviours) are the only communities that DON'T have their poo poo together farming wise. Like, I literally have no idea what the non-main character Alexandrians do all day. Bake cookies and do laundry?
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Apr 12, 2017 19:22
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Bucswabe posted:It seems to me that Alexandria (and I guess maybe the Saviours) are the only communities that DON'T have their poo poo together farming wise. Like, I literally have no idea what the non-main character Alexandrians do all day. Bake cookies and do laundry? The fact that plenty of properties around here have metal fences around fields, yet nobody in the zombie apocalypse can figure that out how to do the same boggles the mind. I guess the yield on a couple tire-bound tomato plants must be high enough.  Are there no Home Depots or Lowes in TWD universe?edit: I guess they managed to do such at the prison but then fences (PRISON FENCES of all fences) suddenly became flimsy as hell, being able to be pushed over.
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Apr 12, 2017 19:29
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Fog Tripper posted:The fact that plenty of properties around here have metal fences around fields, yet nobody in the zombie apocalypse can figure that out how to do the same boggles the mind. I guess the yield on a couple tire-bound tomato plants must be high enough. Just as the soviet union proves communism can't work, the prison proved concrete structures surrounded by fences are deadly places doomed to be assaulted by crazy assholes with tanks. I'm pretty sure that's the show's premise but I'm not sure I've been hatewatching for a few years now.
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Apr 13, 2017 02:51
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Z-Nation is funner to watch than this grimace-themed show, but it actually sucks pretty hard and there's a million things better to watch. Hell there's at least two programs currently airing new episodes weekly on AMC that are leagues and leagues ahead of either. Unless your primary show criteria is "zombies", in which case watch z-nation i guess
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Apr 13, 2017 07:08
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Watch z nation after watching Ash Vs Evil dead in that case.
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Apr 13, 2017 07:32
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z nation is not on amazon prime, so that rules out my viewing.
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Apr 13, 2017 12:49
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Letting Dwight go was stupid no?
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Apr 13, 2017 16:14
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CarlosTheDwarf posted:Letting Dwight go was stupid no? No. Daryl looked deep into his eyes. Daryl did that.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:06
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Yeah, he's fine. Daryl gave him an ocular pat-down. He cleared him.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:41
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moist turtleneck posted:I still can't believe the trash crew mcpoyles are the only ones smart enough to use bicycles If McPoyle ever leaves Westworld he should totally join the trash people cast, as McPoyle. Suddenly they'd make a lot more sense. The trash people are the McPoyles after the apocalypse. Bates posted:That's the thing - the appeal of the apocalypse genre basically boils down to exploring and back-to-basics problem solving. I legitimately think we need a Fallout TV show.
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Apr 13, 2017 20:47
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Gortarius posted:Has it been speculated what the gently caress Daryl said when he was storming Alexandria with Maggie? "Phalanx Out!" LadyPictureShow posted:When the show either outpaces the comic or it's time for show to be taken out to pasture, I hope they don't try to shoehorn in a reason/explanation or cure for the zombie problem. I have a feeling that's why they kept Judith alive. My personal pet theory is that children born in this world, with their parents being infected, will inherit immunity from the zombie plague. Therefor they have an easy way to quick end the series with a flash forward to some statue of Rick and her talking about how he kept their world together, yadda yadda, she then goes and talks to Glenn/Maggie's now grown child, the end. A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I don't know why anyone thinks a change of setting would help this show when Fear the Walking Dead is even worse. You're not kidding. Fear is so bad it makes regular WD look like Breaking Bad. Bigass Moth posted:Also any time someone has an easy wide open chance of killing Negan they do not take it, except one time his magic wood bat stops a bullet fired at close range. This was the #1 thing that made this season unwatchable to me. Sure there were a lot of other problems but this.. this was just maddening. loving maddening. And they kept rubbing salt in the wound with plot after plot to kill Negan and I knew they'd all end the same way. ED: Oh and seriously screw that bullshit line to try to justify this Dwight had of "Oh they're all Negan!" Sure they all SAY that but come the gently caress on, the only person we've seen that would continue Negan's legacy and might organize the place is Simon, and that is it. I have a feeling if the Kingdom run guy got put in charge he'd just sound annoyed and call for a truce to get back to legit trading, now 100% less picky about poo poo because he isn't afraid of a bat to the face. Ego-bot posted:I thought the negotiation between Negan and trash woman was for the number of Alexandrian slaves they got to keep. Maybe I misheard. Hey now! She needed those slaves, who else is going to re-teach them English!? Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 20:50
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I don't know why anyone thinks a change of setting would help this show when Fear the Walking Dead is even worse. Oh one more note about this.. Fear was far and away it's most interesting, and it's most competent, when they were just sailing around on a boat being assholes. That really should have been the whole series. They got to visit places, get involved, then get right back on their boat and sail away (usually after absolutely loving everything up 100% because the Fear crew are psychopaths that I don't think AMC realizes are psychopaths). It was like a zombie Star Trek, with a boat. The minute they lost the boat it crashed and burned all over again. Whoever said they did the farm plot if the farm plot was 2 episodes long and Shane burnt the whole thing down while Rick murdered Herschel wasn't really wrong. ED: I love how the really dumb Sasha Coffin thing was probably done because the actual bag on the head trick was done on Fear, by the "good guys."
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Apr 13, 2017 21:10
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At least the pycho kid got shotgunned in the face last season after helping a group of strangers kill their barely hurt member of the group so he could join this group.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:14
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As soon as I saw that boat, I was loving pumped for Fear to be about apocalypse pirates. I don't know why I thought they would do something good.
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Apr 13, 2017 21:18
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Everyone was like "nah this will be cool they'll show the first days of the outbreak" *skips forward three weeks and all zombies have disappeared*
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Apr 13, 2017 21:24
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My favorite pre-series poo poo-talking about Fear was someone saying "They finally listened to that producer that keeps asking 'Why can't we make the zombies sexy?'" with a picture of the young woman zombie from the beginning.
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Blazing Ownager posted:If McPoyle ever leaves Westworld he should totally join the trash people cast, as McPoyle. There's a bizarro version of that teamup in the first season of Hap and Leonard (it's up on Netflix). Jimmi Simpson plays a gun runner and Pollyanna McIntosh is his girlfriend/bodyguard. And they're loving ridiculous. But the whole time I just kept thinking 'McPoyle and Trashlady!' LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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