Josef K. Sourdust posted:Yeah, having heard more about the Bri case I'm definitely out of that. The podcast is good but what happened to her is just too horrible and sad. Superficially it sounded like something comparable to MM but actually it is clearly a drug-related abduction and murder. Even the private investigator who heard the details was shocked. Poor Bri. what about the case makes it seem like that? her wiki article doesn't have much besides the car in the barn & i dont know much about it otherwise.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:what about the case makes it seem like that? her wiki article doesn't have much besides the car in the barn & i dont know much about it otherwise. A number of independent investigators have pieced it together. TLDR is Brianna was a clever but naive girl who got in with a party crowd. She was staying in various squats and hanging out with drug dealers in an attempt to become more independent though her family lived locally. She flirts with a guy at a party and is beaten up by some women. She wants to press charges against the women, who are hardcases. Brianna is warned by someone not to go to work because she's going to get abducted and killed. Brianna is shaken but she goes anyway, guessing it is a bluff. That night after work she was abducted from her car - which it seems she accidentally jammed into the side of an old building while trying to turn round. Reports are 3-13 people (a mix of out of state dealers and some local teenagers, some with police records, who have already killed a girl) conspire to abduct, hold, and murder her. They completely destroy the body by dismembering the body and feeding it through a woodchipper on a local farm The problem is that although it is fairly widely known by cops and locals who was involved, the cops don't have a forensic case as they botched the evidence collection and don't have the body. The police dismissed a single confession that matches the info above for "reasons". All the details are in the podcasts - multiple sources. E: I don't know if the second girl murdered was before or after Brianna. That was an open and shut case with a found body, confessions and convictions. Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 20:52 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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That seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to for a simple snitch beef. She had to have owed money (probably not since they usually don't kill you right away for that) or done something more (stealing from a drug dealer will get you killed in pretty short order, for example). Then again, maybe they were just crazy, but it seems weird that all that detail is "known" but there's nothing about it I can find online besides you saying its buried in some multi hour podcast somewhere. Got a link for the episode at least?
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Solice Kirsk posted:That seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to for a simple snitch beef. She had to have owed money (probably not since they usually don't kill you right away for that) or done something more (stealing from a drug dealer will get you killed in pretty short order, for example). Then again, maybe they were just crazy, but it seems weird that all that detail is "known" but there's nothing about it I can find online besides you saying its buried in some multi hour podcast somewhere. Got a link for the episode at least? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFbXjLx2kx39fYqwxQsnSA Search "Crawlspace podcast" if that link doesn't work. Start with Ep. 1. Tarik's interview is very informative. He says done multiple interviews in Vermont he has 4 public names and 4 undisclosed names out of the potential 13 perpetrators and that overlaps with what the police and investigators know. (I think even Brianna's family know the names.) The four public names are the ones who were involved in the murder of the other girl and given in the confession. There could have been multiple reasons but the assault charges probably contributed. I think that the group thought she was likely to talk. It may have been money related but apparently she didn't deal (and may not even have used). I don't claim to know and the investigators say they don't know the exact reason either. Apparently the girls in the group were jealous and violent and there was a history of her being bullied. TBH I'm not going to be finding out any more because it's super depressing - not just her life and death but the silence of the town and the way her family were taunted by some kids afterwards. Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 22:24 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Yeah, I tried listening to it and found it incredibly amateur. Made it through the first episode and like 10 minutes into the second. I think a good producer could salvage the show, but it's not for me. Not to mention when I skipped ahead a couple episodes to "Stranded" they started out talking about how they want her dad to keep them in check so that they do the right thing...then immediately segway into how much more bonding they would have done if they had dinner with her dad over Blue Apron, and it would have been delicious and more affordable too. Thanks for the link and info though. I'm sure it's in there, but I'm not digging through several hours of that to try and find it.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Yeah, I tried listening to it and found it incredibly amateur. Made it through the first episode and like 10 minutes into the second. I think a good producer could salvage the show, but it's not for me. Not to mention when I skipped ahead a couple episodes to "Stranded" they started out talking about how they want her dad to keep them in check so that they do the right thing...then immediately segway into how much more bonding they would have done if they had dinner with her dad over Blue Apron, and it would have been delicious and more affordable too. Agreed. I like the hosts and I think they are informed but the editing is all over the place, they haven't organised the data/interviews well and that promo slot feels out of place. I don't think you're missing much. Happy to help.
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Been marathoning Forensic Files based on the recommendations a few pages back and HOLY COW is it my imagination or do 90% of all of the criminals on that show have a moustache? Like, the same exact cop moustache? Did everyone look like that between 1980-2000 and I just never noticed, or was it just mostly rapists, molesters, murderers, arsonists, and cops? Anyway, I knew I remembered the story of Howard Unruh's rampage from somewhere in my childhood. A little Google reveals that it was because there was a comic book depiction of it in an issue of Dark Horse Presents. It has some fun artwork by Gary Barker.
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xoFcitcrA posted:Been marathoning Forensic Files based on the recommendations a few pages back and HOLY COW is it my imagination or do 90% of all of the criminals on that show have a moustache? Like, the same exact cop moustache? Did everyone look like that between 1980-2000 and I just never noticed, or was it just mostly rapists, molesters, murderers, arsonists, and cops? A mustache is basically a balaclava for your upper lip.
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I love Forensic Files but after watching a lot of them you can kind of see how 80% of the cases didn't need forensic investigators at all. Like they'll make a big deal out of the meticulous footprint analysis they uncovered as the killer left the scene but then in the last five minutes reveal the guy googled "how to kill wife" and took out a $100,000 life insurance policy on her three days before she was murdered under mysterious circumstances.
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The show usually details the first time a certain technique was used or some wild circumstances of crime, which doesn't tend to coincide with crimes that were all that hard to solve.
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I like watching Cold Case files, with Bill Kurtis's soothing voice. The worst ones are when they have pretty good drat idea who did it, then have to wait a decade for technology to catch up to find DNA or somebody to talk before they can make an arrest.
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Best Forensic File case: man murders his wife. At the autopsy it is found that she had undiagnosed incurable cancer. He gets jailed for life even though all he had to do was wait 3 months for her to die.
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whiteyfats posted:I like watching Cold Case files, with Bill Kurtis's soothing voice. The worst ones are when they have pretty good drat idea who did it, then have to wait a decade for technology to catch up to find DNA or somebody to talk before they can make an arrest. I miss American Justice. It's on some channel I don't get now.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I miss American Justice. It's on some channel I don't get now. Second that. "Dominick Dunne's Power Privilege and Justice", "Dr G Medical Examiner", "Vanity Fair Confidential" are some pretty good crime related shows.
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City Confidential had the best narrator of all the crime shows, and I'm sad there aren't more of them.
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FrozenVent posted:City Confidential had the best narrator of all the crime shows, and I'm sad there aren't more of them. Paul Winfield or Keith David?
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FrozenVent posted:City Confidential had the best narrator of all the crime shows, and I'm sad there aren't more of them. This was my favorite of all the crime shows. You got a little bit of history along with a famous (or not so famous) murder case.
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Thanks for the recommendations!
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xoFcitcrA posted:Been marathoning Forensic Files based on the recommendations a few pages back and HOLY COW is it my imagination or do 90% of all of the criminals on that show have a moustache? Like, the same exact cop moustache? Did everyone look like that between 1980-2000 and I just never noticed, or was it just mostly rapists, molesters, murderers, arsonists, and cops? Not-so-funny story: I had two friends over the years who grew that same kind of mustache. One guy later had a rape charge dropped down to something lesser because they couldn't prove it, but it definitely involved a drunk woman and suspicious circumstances, and the other one is currently in prison for actually molesting a kid.
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pookel posted:I don't know about the '90s, but there's a particular kind of scraggly little mustache that all sex offenders seem to have. We used to joke about it at the newspaper where I worked, that you could tell which mugshots were sex offenders. When I was in HS in the 80s, we used to say people with mustaches like that were either serial killers or fast-food restaurant managers.
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Kind of like there are two kinds of cops: bald cop with Oakleys or mustache cop.
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:Kind of like there are two kinds of cops: bald cop with Oakleys or mustache cop. Jacked up black dudes.
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pookel posted:I don't know about the '90s, but there's a particular kind of scraggly little mustache that all sex offenders seem to have. We used to joke about it at the newspaper where I worked, that you could tell which mugshots were sex offenders. The infamous "pedostache".
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https://youtu.be/qZ7e8Zhcv4k
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Anyone listening to the Shittown podcast? It is from TAL/Serial crew and deals with small town stuff. Kind of like Exit Through the Gift Shop, it starts in one direction and veers off abruptly.
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Jesus. You couldn't pay me enough money to be a white farmer in South Africa right now: http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...ate/news-story/ quote:According to the TAU, last year there were 345 attacks resulting in 70 deaths — the highest death toll since 2008. In 2015 there were 318 attacks resulting in 64 deaths, and the year before there were 277 attacks resulting in 67 deaths.
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I honestly can't bring myself to feel bad for Boers.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:Anyone listening to the Shittown podcast? It is from TAL/Serial crew and deals with small town stuff. Kind of like Exit Through the Gift Shop, it starts in one direction and veers off abruptly. Just listened to it on an OR-CA round trip, kept us pretty engaged for 7 hours.
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Phanatic posted:Jesus. You couldn't pay me enough money to be a white farmer in South Africa right now: Tch, we're supposed to be eating the rich, not burying them alive. The glaringly uneven balance of power that had persisted since the first slaves were put to work on the farms remained largely intact. “The spatial geography of apartheid has proved very resilient to change in the Cape Winelands,” Weeder says. “Land, land ownership, and the wealth associated with that are still firmly entrenched within white capital. For black people, moving out of the cycle of poverty is still very difficult without access to land.”
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my rear end in a top hat has a moustache and it's a cold hard criminal
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Grand Gigas posted:I honestly can't bring myself to feel bad for Boers. What the hell? quote:LAST month, British woman Sue Howarth and her husband Robert Lynn were woken at 2am by three men breaking into a window of their remote farm in Dullstroom, a small town in the northeast of South Africa, about 240km from the nearest capital city. They were British and had lived there for 20 years, which means they weren't even *there* at a time when the ANC didn't run the country. Where do you get "Boer" out of that? Even if they were Boers, that's monstrous.
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Don't let your stupid white guilt lead you to thinking that brutal attacks on anyone, especially people completely un-re-loving-lated to the political issue, are meritorious.
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Solice Kirsk posted:A mustache is basically a balaclava for your upper lip. Doesn't explain the thick early 80s glasses they all seem to wear, though. Even the ones too young to have had adult spectacles in the 80s have them, so they must come in some sort of welcome pack.
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Grand Gigas posted:I honestly can't bring myself to feel bad for Boers. I honestly can't bring myself to feel bad for Grand Gigas
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Mercury Ballistic posted:Anyone listening to the Shittown podcast? It is from TAL/Serial crew and deals with small town stuff. Kind of like Exit Through the Gift Shop, it starts in one direction and veers off abruptly. I loved it. It's a short series but I was totally engrossed throughout. "JOHN DESPISES HIS ALABAMA TOWN AND DECIDES TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. HE ASKS a reporter to investigate the son of a wealthy family who’s allegedly been bragging that he got away with murder. But then someone else ends up dead, sparking a nasty feud, a hunt for hidden treasure, and an unearthing of the mysteries of one man’s life." https://stownpodcast.org/
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Avshalom posted:my rear end in a top hat has a moustache and it's a cold hard criminal Hey, Avshalom, you know when you're getting a tattoo and the artist spritzes you with that bottle? You're that. I'm still coping with my PTSD over egg.
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The "Buried Alive" episode of Vanity Fair Confidential is the most horrific episode of any of these crime shows I've ever seen.
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Pick posted:The "Buried Alive" episode of Vanity Fair Confidential is the most horrific episode of any of these crime shows I've ever seen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lunsford
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