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I know this has come up before, but it's a long thread: what can I get somebody that is closest to garum? I've done some research but I'm interested to hear if anyone here has an opinion.
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Apr 13, 2017 10:16
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Southeast Asian fish sauce. If you can find some real grody homemade style stuff that still has fish hunks in it that's even better.
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Apr 13, 2017 10:24
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Ancient History: Many People Come to Visit and Bring Wine After I Fell Off My Horse, Drunk
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Apr 13, 2017 10:26
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Grand Fromage posted:Southeast Asian fish sauce. If you can find some real grody homemade style stuff that still has fish hunks in it that's even better. This was my immediate recommendation, but the person I was talking to wanted something else.
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Apr 13, 2017 10:34
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:This was my immediate recommendation, but the person I was talking to wanted something else. Then tell him to make his own fish sauce
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Apr 13, 2017 10:36
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I think my reaction was pretty much well if you don't like that just let some fish rot in the sun and then scrape off the goo that collects on top of them.
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Apr 13, 2017 10:46
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:This was my immediate recommendation, but the person I was talking to wanted something else. Tell em to go suck a cabbage.
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Apr 13, 2017 11:08
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Tias posted:Ancient History: Many People Come to Visit and Bring Wine After I Fell Off My Horse, Drunk Alcohol, the source of and solution to all of life's problems.
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Apr 13, 2017 12:52
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JaucheCharly posted:To alcohol! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems. Tonight a man in my Master's course told my wife she smelled just like Malibu, his favorite drink.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:02
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Tunicate posted:Jello was a similar high end fad that went downscale as it got cheaper. I think there's a website called the 'gallery of regrettable food' with some great pictures. Like 85% of my general knowledge, I first found out that gelatin had cow's hooves in it from Asterix comics. 
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Apr 13, 2017 15:52
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Atlas Hugged posted:Tonight a man in my Master's course told my wife she smelled just like Malibu, his favorite drink. A "man"
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Apr 13, 2017 17:00
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You smell like coconut rum that comes in a plastic bottle, which I loving love
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Apr 13, 2017 17:02
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FAUXTON posted:You smell like coconut rum that comes in a plastic bottle, which I loving love That is the smell of all my bad college memories
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Apr 13, 2017 17:05
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:This was my immediate recommendation, but the person I was talking to wanted something else. Worcestershire sauce.
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Apr 13, 2017 18:27
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Zopotantor posted:Worcestershire sauce. A sound recommendation in general, regardless of its applicability to the question.
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Apr 13, 2017 18:50
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Funny way of spelling garum my trousered friends
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Apr 13, 2017 18:56
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Stop quoting recipes, we carry garum.
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Apr 13, 2017 18:57
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Tunicate posted:Jello was a similar high end fad that went downscale as it got cheaper. I think there's a website called the 'gallery of regrettable food' with some great pictures. Lileks.com - there was also a book. It wasn't high end in the least though 
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Apr 13, 2017 23:29
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Started of high end affectation, then went down to middle america once it became affordable. https://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Jell-0-history.htm Middle america, having no idea what to do with this hoity toity new ingrediant, spammed it everywhere.
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Apr 13, 2017 23:36
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Tunicate posted:Started of high end affectation, then went down to middle america once it became affordable. I think people are speaking past each other. Gelatine - posh once. Jell-O (tm)? Not so much.
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Apr 14, 2017 00:34
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I think my reaction was pretty much well if you don't like that just let some fish rot in the sun and then scrape off the goo that collects on top of them. That's literally your only alternative. Though the goo doesn't actually collect on top! We have serving bottles of garum that appear to have had the fish stuffed inside, and the bottle has a hole on the bottom. The fish would float up to the top and the garum liquid to the bottom, so you dispensed it that way.
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Apr 14, 2017 02:59
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Well, I was pretty close for an off the cuff response. I think I'll buy this person some colatura di alici, I was hoping you all would have a better idea than that. It's Italian and involves fermented fish.
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Apr 14, 2017 08:46
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Do we have an idea of how garum tasted? "similar to south east asian fish sauce"? Actually, in general, what sort of food did romans or greeks eat? And what was olive oil used for? Did the romans start italian pasta tradition or did that come later? I just realized I know basically nothing of roman food tradition except bread, wine, and rich fat men on palanquins being fed grapes. Did they even eat grapes or were they used only for wine?
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Apr 14, 2017 14:49
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Do we have an idea of how garum tasted? "similar to south east asian fish sauce"? We have a late Roman cookbook.
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Apr 14, 2017 14:53
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Do we have an idea of how garum tasted? "similar to south east asian fish sauce"? The two things I remember is that they used an amount of salt that we would find repulsive (as the cuisine of most seafaring, salt as a preservative societies would taste to us now) and that only barbarians would have their wine undiluted. I think some recipes even survive? efb
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Apr 14, 2017 14:55
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the romans posted:179 Gruel and Wine sounds delicious. Who doesn't love a good gruel?
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Apr 14, 2017 15:41
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If you drink a bunch of vodka, smoke a cigarette, eat a ton of pizza and fries, then vomit into a flush toilet, you've just had an evening of delights that were not available to even the mightiest of the ancient Romans.
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Apr 14, 2017 21:34
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If you drink a bunch of vodka, smoke a cigarette, eat a ton of pizza and fries, then vomit into a flush toilet, you've just had an evening of delights that were not available to even the mightiest of the ancient Romans. Don't forget to contract syphilis during your gently caress you Caesar bender.
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Apr 14, 2017 21:48
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Pontius Pilate posted:Don't forget to contract syphilis during your gently caress you Caesar bender. Is syphilis new?
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Apr 14, 2017 21:59
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Ainsley McTree posted:Is syphilis new? First definitely-attested case was in 1493 or 1494. It's a popular but unproven theory that it was the sole major disease to jump from the new world to the old world, as opposed to vice versa. e: It apparently used to be way nastier too--modern syphilis produces genital sores and even untreated takes years to kill its victim. Old syphilis produced sores all over the body, made your flesh slough off, and killed in months.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:00
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cheetah7071 posted:First definitely-attested case was in 1493 or 1494. It's a popular but unproven theory that it was the sole major disease to jump from the new world to the old world, as opposed to vice versa. Huh. I just assumed it was always around. I had a similar revelation about the origins of potatoes
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Apr 14, 2017 22:03
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It's true, both potatoes and syphilis sprouted from the ether in 1493
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Apr 14, 2017 22:06
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Koramei posted:It's true, both potatoes and syphilis sprouted from the ether in 1493 I meant to say "was always around in the old world" but was imprecise with my language thank you for pouncing on it
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Apr 14, 2017 22:11
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:sounds delicious. Who doesn't love a good gruel? Jokes aside, it is pretty awesome that we have an actual cookbook from all that time ago.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:13
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Ainsley McTree posted:Huh. I just assumed it was always around. I had a similar revelation about the origins of potatoes Potatoes I knew about but not syphilis, it would make sense with the heightened lethality if it was a new disease to most of the old world. Though I cannot imagine a society that could function without the potato.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:14
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cheetah7071 posted:First definitely-attested case was in 1493 or 1494. It's a popular but unproven theory that it was the sole major disease to jump from the new world to the old world, as opposed to vice versa. Curing syphilis was a worth a nobel prize. Despite the fact the cure was literally malaria.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:22
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OwlFancier posted:Though I cannot imagine a society that could function without the potato. Or Italian cuisine without the tomato.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:36
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Pontius Pilate posted:Or Italian cuisine without the tomato. Or Thai cuisine without chili peppers
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Apr 14, 2017 22:39
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Basically every animal we eat is old world, and the majority of good-tasting vegetables are new world. Fruit and fish seem to be about evenly split from what I can tell.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:39
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It actually took a while for Italians (this is Italy so obvious caveat of it varies greatly by region) to catch onto the tomato. It wasn't until the 19th century that it became common in cooking despite being introduced hundreds of years ago and grown as ornamentation.
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Apr 14, 2017 22:45
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