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SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

milk milk lemonade posted:

What's edgy about that?

Slandering every company using Exchange because apparently everyone has to use the butt.

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dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Caught out said HR lady lying, on email about things that were said during the meeting. Said one thing to me, another thing to the bosses I queried it with.

I've asked them about it. No response. I've sent them another email about a meeting room cable, instant reply.

I know you're ignoring me now you fucks.

I'm really angry today

E: gently caress it, walked to his desk, told him i need a meeting now. Told him she's lying to his face. Told him I can't prove it because the person auditing the meeting has to send her notes to the HR person so she can review them (read: edit them) before sending them out to me.

Told him that was also stupid. gently caress lovely HR people man, the worst ones are so goddamn power hungry.

dogstile fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Apr 13, 2017

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

LooKMaN posted:

So i got a job for a Jr. systems admin which required "basic knowledge of Windows server" which I do have but most of my experience comes from being an IT technician and dealing with hardware (which I told them on the interview). Now after I've started they told me I'm supposed to pass 2 MCSE (Exchange, Skype for Bussiness) exams in like 4 months, which seems a bit retarded to me as I've no previous cert in that area or experience with either. This seems hosed up to me, is it considered normal or are they expecting too much?

How hard can it be?

I'm Microsoft CertifiedTM in Skype(R)

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

After seeing all the douches use their standing desks, I'm convinced it's not about posture or not sitting, but feeling superior to others because you're standing up, looking down on them, as they sit at their desks

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
Pissing me off: "IT guys"

"I'm getting an error that the location the shortcut refers to is gone!"
"The mapped drive the link points to is gone. You'll need to remap it."
"How do I do that?"
"Ask your IT to do it"
"I am the IT!"

"This utility's been running slow ever since we installed the new version!"
"The logs show it's been slow since June which is months before the new version came out, but around the time you just told me you got a new server. Have your IT check the network connection."
"I am the IT! Fix it now!"

"One of our users is getting this error!"
"We need to edit a config file in their home folders. Where are their home folders at on this dumb unsupported citrix setup?"
"What's a home folder?"
"...Can I talk to your IT?"
"I am the-"
:suicide:

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
You're not talking to IT guys, you're talking to posers

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

dogstile posted:

E: gently caress it, walked to his desk, told him i need a meeting now. Told him she's lying to his face. Told him I can't prove it because the person auditing the meeting has to send her notes to the HR person so she can review them (read: edit them) before sending them out to me.
Time to start wearing a wire to your meetings with her.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
Application specialist: I can't get this tomcat server to load. What did you do?

Me: I didn't do anything, I delivered the server to you a week ago with a working tomcat, what did you do?

AppSpec: nothing, I had to restart it and now it won't load, you need to fix this

Me: So a week ago, you told me you needed a new tomcat to work on this week, all week you've done nothing, but today you decided to reload the tomcat?

AppSpec: No I haven't done "nothing" but I haven't changed anything that would make the tomcat not start.

Me: So you have done something, show me exactly what file you edited.

AppSpec: I haven't edited any files

Me: what what did you do all week?

AppSpec: worked on the tomcat and webapp

Me: What files did you change?

AppSpec: no files, I didn't do anything.

Me: :psyduck:

Me: * find -mtime -5 you edited server.xml, that's the main tomcat config. What did you change?

AppSpec: nothing

Me: well I have the file in SVN looks like you added these directories.

AppSpec: I deleted those directories since the plugins in them aren't needed any more

Me: so you did do something, you modified this file and deleted directories

AppSpec: no, I told you I didn't do anything to the tomcat.


Me: excuse me while I jump out this window.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

SEKCobra posted:

Slandering every company using Exchange because apparently everyone has to use the butt.

:shrug: O365 is vastly superior in terms of Exchange and SharePoint. I'd never reccomend an on-prem installation of either anymore. And the number of companies running Exchange on prem is dwindling and Microsoft is going to continue pushing organizations of all sizes towards O365 adoption.

BoyBlunder
Sep 17, 2008

Jerk McJerkface posted:

Application specialist: I can't get this tomcat server to load. What did you do?

Me: I didn't do anything, I delivered the server to you a week ago with a working tomcat, what did you do?

AppSpec: nothing, I had to restart it and now it won't load, you need to fix this

Me: So a week ago, you told me you needed a new tomcat to work on this week, all week you've done nothing, but today you decided to reload the tomcat?

AppSpec: No I haven't done "nothing" but I haven't changed anything that would make the tomcat not start.

Me: So you have done something, show me exactly what file you edited.

AppSpec: I haven't edited any files

Me: what what did you do all week?

AppSpec: worked on the tomcat and webapp

Me: What files did you change?

AppSpec: no files, I didn't do anything.

Me: :psyduck:

Me: * find -mtime -5 you edited server.xml, that's the main tomcat config. What did you change?

AppSpec: nothing

Me: well I have the file in SVN looks like you added these directories.

AppSpec: I deleted those directories since the plugins in them aren't needed any more

Me: so you did do something, you modified this file and deleted directories

AppSpec: no, I told you I didn't do anything to the tomcat.


Me: excuse me while I jump out this window.

gently caress all of this.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
There are still people running critical services on Server 2003, why do you assume everyone is rushing to get on Office 365? There are always people afraid of change who will do whatever they can to keep their old garbage running instead of upgrading.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

Bigass Moth posted:

There are still people running critical services on Server 2003, why do you assume everyone is rushing to get on Office 365? There are always people afraid of change who will do whatever they can to keep their old garbage running instead of upgrading.

Because I'm part of a company that sells it like crazy? And 90% of our inquiries right now are O365 migrations of all shapes and sizes?

Migrating is pretty easy and doesn't cost a lot. Saves most people money over time. It's an easy sell and winds up working much better than on-prem in virtually all cases.

Raerlynn
Oct 28, 2007

Sorry I'm late, I'm afraid I got lost on the path of life.

Jerk McJerkface posted:

Application specialist: I can't get this tomcat server to load. What did you do?

Me: I didn't do anything, I delivered the server to you a week ago with a working tomcat, what did you do?

AppSpec: nothing, I had to restart it and now it won't load, you need to fix this

Me: So a week ago, you told me you needed a new tomcat to work on this week, all week you've done nothing, but today you decided to reload the tomcat?

AppSpec: No I haven't done "nothing" but I haven't changed anything that would make the tomcat not start.

Me: So you have done something, show me exactly what file you edited.

AppSpec: I haven't edited any files

Me: what what did you do all week?

AppSpec: worked on the tomcat and webapp

Me: What files did you change?

AppSpec: no files, I didn't do anything.

Me: :psyduck:

Me: * find -mtime -5 you edited server.xml, that's the main tomcat config. What did you change?

AppSpec: nothing

Me: well I have the file in SVN looks like you added these directories.

AppSpec: I deleted those directories since the plugins in them aren't needed any more

Me: so you did do something, you modified this file and deleted directories

AppSpec: no, I told you I didn't do anything to the tomcat.


Me: excuse me while I jump out this window.

Holy poo poo you have the patience of a saint. I'd have taken a screenshot of your search, sent it to him and his lead and told him to stop wasting your time.

I don't get why people lie to the sysadmins, it's our JOB to figure this poo poo out, and it always, always backfires.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

milk milk lemonade posted:

Because I'm part of a company that sells it like crazy? And 90% of our inquiries right now are O365 migrations of all shapes and sizes?

Migrating is pretty easy and doesn't cost a lot. Saves most people money over time. It's an easy sell and winds up working much better than on-prem in virtually all cases.

I could give a poo poo where the email servers are kept at this point because there is no upside to being a person that administers it.

Saying that, people who want to argue over which place is better to keep the email is pretty boring and rarely has any decent points.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

Sickening posted:

there is no upside to being a person that administers it.



That was my original point anyways. gently caress Exchange, wouldn't waste time getting certified for it.

Stealthgerbil
Dec 16, 2004


the real reason to go with o365 to me is the spam filtering and stuff. its just worth it not to have to worry about it or deal with a third party spam blocking service. also it supports easy encryption for the users which is pretty nice.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Jerk McJerkface posted:

Me: excuse me while I jump throw you out this window.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Jerk McJerkface posted:

Me: * find -mtime -5 you edited server.xml, that's the main tomcat config. What did you change?

AppSpec: nothing

This is why I have every service I've configured codified in puppet. If users need a change, they open a ticket with me to do it otherwise the next time the manifest gets applied, their stupid hacks get blown away.

Best part? Opening a ticket means there's a paper trail so 9 months down the road when their change backfires and they get all "what did you do to our website?? :qq:" I can pull up the ticket and point out how it's exactly what they asked for.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

dogstile posted:

Caught out said HR lady lying, on email about things that were said during the meeting. Said one thing to me, another thing to the bosses I queried it with.

I've asked them about it. No response. I've sent them another email about a meeting room cable, instant reply.

I know you're ignoring me now you fucks.

I'm really angry today

E: gently caress it, walked to his desk, told him i need a meeting now. Told him she's lying to his face. Told him I can't prove it because the person auditing the meeting has to send her notes to the HR person so she can review them (read: edit them) before sending them out to me.

Told him that was also stupid. gently caress lovely HR people man, the worst ones are so goddamn power hungry.

It's time to :yotj:

PremiumSupport
Aug 17, 2015

milk milk lemonade posted:

That was my original point anyways. gently caress Exchange, wouldn't waste time getting certified for it.

Agreed, even managing an on-prem Exchange setup is pretty damned easy these days. No reason to waste time getting the cert.

That having been said, if it's going to be a condition of your employment you should do it anyway. I would make it clear that you will be studying for it on your employer's time and if possible get your employer to pay for test/materials.

DigitalMocking
Jun 8, 2010

Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.
Benjamin Franklin


:mad:

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

dogstile posted:

Caught out said HR lady lying, on email about things that were said during the meeting. Said one thing to me, another thing to the bosses I queried it with.

I've asked them about it. No response. I've sent them another email about a meeting room cable, instant reply.

I know you're ignoring me now you fucks.

I'm really angry today

E: gently caress it, walked to his desk, told him i need a meeting now. Told him she's lying to his face. Told him I can't prove it because the person auditing the meeting has to send her notes to the HR person so she can review them (read: edit them) before sending them out to me.

Told him that was also stupid. gently caress lovely HR people man, the worst ones are so goddamn power hungry.

Jump before she manufactures a reason to push you. Seriously, this is not a healthy work environment, drop to minimum effort and get something else.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

"Sorry, your password must be exactly six characters long."

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Volmarias posted:

It's time to :yotj:


Fil5000 posted:

Jump before she manufactures a reason to push you. Seriously, this is not a healthy work environment, drop to minimum effort and get something else.

Yup, sending out applications now. I like the people at the company so i'm reporting this poo poo as I go in the hopes that maybe it gets better for some of my co-workers.

I have my doubts, but i'm not sticking around to try and get an unlikely change.

duffmensch
Feb 20, 2004

Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem!
Turn on the voice recorder on your phone before interacting with her?

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
A war with HR is a battle you will never win.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

duffmensch posted:

Turn on the voice recorder on your phone before interacting with her?

No phones allowed in meeting rooms. She also made the decision not to have some form of Dictaphone in meetings, preferring to go with the bring in another person and just have them try to keep up with the conversation.

I'm hosed man, I know I am :P I've chatted to both directors at this point, both have done the same "i'll chat with her" non committal bullshit, both have gone "oh there was a misunderstanding about the timekeeping thing" and are ignore that its not about the loving timekeeping, its about HR taking over for my manager on some weird vendetta.

Bigass Moth posted:

A war with HR is a battle you will never win.

Aye aye!

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Collateral Damage posted:

"Sorry, your password must be exactly six characters long."

We've got an exactly 8 characters restriction. Old HP-UX systems have to integrate with Active Directory, so things like that happen.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

8 characters long and can't start with a number here, for our ticketing system, which runs on z/OS. Our source control has a similar restriction (no mainframe though) so to make it more secure, it's behind a special firewall that intercepts all requests unless you telnet in and authenticate with your SSO credentials every 13 hours or so.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Why yes, I would love to move from Colorado to Des Moines for a 6 month field technician contract for your company, who charges 1200 per month for the only decent health insurance plan.

I'm screwing with this guy. It's one thing if you contact me for a lovely role locally, but I guarantee this guy is just spamming everybody with field service technician on their resume.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

PremiumSupport posted:

Agreed, even managing an on-prem Exchange setup is pretty damned easy these days. No reason to waste time getting the cert.

That having been said, if it's going to be a condition of your employment you should do it anyway. I would make it clear that you will be studying for it on your employer's time and if possible get your employer to pay for test/materials.

Considering how many games MS plays on their exams and how much bullshit you have to remember I don't think getting an MSCE in poo poo is going to be realistic in 4 months from zero.

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice

dogstile posted:

No phones allowed in meeting rooms. She also made the decision not to have some form of Dictaphone in meetings, preferring to go with the bring in another person and just have them try to keep up with the conversation.

I'm hosed man, I know I am :P I've chatted to both directors at this point, both have done the same "i'll chat with her" non committal bullshit, both have gone "oh there was a misunderstanding about the timekeeping thing" and are ignore that its not about the loving timekeeping, its about HR taking over for my manager on some weird vendetta.


Aye aye!

Why is she after you anyway?

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

A Pinball Wizard posted:

Why is she after you anyway?

I told her I wasn't coming back in when I went home ill. She thought my illness was something that'd resolve itself in half an hour, pulled up a wiki article on it. I laughed at her and asked her if her wiki article beat my doctors note. Thus the story begins.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

Inspector_666 posted:

Yuuuup, I had it in the back of my mind but made the foolish, idiot mistake of assuming if our building was included somebody would tell us in a timely fashion.

Thankfully we switched everybody over to laptops in the past couple of weeks and we don't have too much on-prem stuff to deal with, but I just know somebody from the finance department is going to throw a shitfit about being unable to access stuff over the weekend even though they are going to be explicitly told about this.

I know how you feel! In downtown LA, every building above a certain height has to have this fire marshal testing once per year, and the building tests their emergency power at the same time. Long story short, we have people in five different locations downtown that all do this at different random times throughout the year. All the servers and poo poo have to be shut down by the time they begin the testing, so this means I usually go in there on a Saturday and shut down, come back on Sunday and power up. Sometimes they do the testing on Friday night, but it's always over a weekend.

Every single time it comes to me having to tell people who were planning on being in the office working late over the weekend, or remoting in from Citrix, "Just shut down your machine by XX PM, if you don't you'll be cut off from all network resources, your phone won't work, and you won't have internet. This is not optional and the building managment and LA Fire Marshal don't care about your deadline" (everyone is working on a deadline 365 days a year as best as I can tell)

Best part is when one of these companies says at like 8 AM Friday that one of the buildings is having their annual power testing that night, or the next day. Always seems to happen when I have an out-of-town trip or something like that planned.

Zamboni Apocalypse
Dec 29, 2009

dogstile posted:

I told her I wasn't coming back in when I went home ill. She thought my illness was something that'd resolve itself in half an hour, pulled up a wiki article on it. I laughed at her and asked her if her wiki article beat my doctors note. Thus the story begins.

Oh, one of those kind of people. Mine was a direct supervisor who decided that, since my horrible allergic congestion hadn't stopped me from coming in on Friday, that meant the straight-up lung infection it'd developed into over the weekend was something I could just work with on Monday. When I got over to both HR and the overall department supervisor (at about five-steps-and-stop-to-wheeze speed), it was decided above her head that yeah, I really could call out sick.

(Direct from work to the doc, who didn't even take a sputum sample, just five seconds on the stethoscope and GO GET ANTIBIOTICS NOW and he was already calling the pharmacy himself.

(She was also the one that got pissy when I had to leave early for what turned out to be kidney stones, sorry I couldn't call in from the ER where I was told my bladder was full of gravel. :stonk:)

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Buh buh buh you need to be at work what if someone can't print!

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

dogstile posted:

No phones allowed in meeting rooms. She also made the decision not to have some form of Dictaphone in meetings, preferring to go with the bring in another person and just have them try to keep up with the conversation.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Voice-Recorder-SK-858-Dictaphone/dp/B00OL1ADIS

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

If you were an employee that cared you would work through your biological frailties. loving kids these days, no respect for bootstraps!

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat
Our CMS has an issue with a webcache where the cache doesn't check for new content, so our dev team wrote a script that rotates through the cache and invalidates them every few minutes while they review the system and figure out the problem.

I named the script "The INVALIDATOR". I'm really proud of myself.

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The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


I'm having a hard time grasping why anyone in HR has direct authority over employees in other departments.

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