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Nitrousoxide posted:Whats a good build for someone who wants to go heavy science/unity but doesn't want to be space hitler? Materialist, egalitarian, pacifist, I guess? Materialism gives you a boost to science output and lets you give robots rights. Pacifism boosts unity production and makes making friends easier. Egalitarian reduces the maintenance of your pops, but lets you make them a lot happier by increasing their maintenance. You can drop egalitarian if you just want to not be Space Hitler and don't mind not being Space communists.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Materialist, egalitarian, pacifist, I guess? Materialism gives you a boost to science output and lets you give robots rights. Pacifism boosts unity production and makes making friends easier. Egalitarian reduces the maintenance of your pops, but lets you make them a lot happier by increasing their maintenance. You can drop egalitarian if you just want to not be Space Hitler and don't mind not being Space communists. Egalitarian also lets you pick the beacon of liberty civic which is just a straight +15% unity bonus.
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Apr 13, 2017 14:19
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I think paradise domes is better of your buffing unity because the happiness boost also boosts the unity produced by your other buildings but, yeah, getting both is even better. You want to get one, then planetary survey corps, finish that tree to grab mastery of nature and knock a bunch of early techs out and get some science boosts, then go for the other building. Idyllic Farmers and Beacon of Liberty are both possible for elegetarian pacifists right? So thats probably a good civis combo. Spiritualist for shroud stuff and more unity or materialist for robots and more science is up to you though. Make sure to build lots of labs!
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Apr 13, 2017 14:25
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Am I misunderstanding? Is there a way to change your governing ethos after starting a game?
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Apr 13, 2017 14:34
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GotLag posted:Am I misunderstanding? Is there a way to change your governing ethos after starting a game? Absolutely. You just adopt a relevant faction
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Apr 13, 2017 14:36
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GotLag posted:Am I misunderstanding? Is there a way to change your governing ethos after starting a game? If 20% of your pops follow that ethic, you can embrace it under factions.
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Apr 13, 2017 14:36
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GotLag posted:Am I misunderstanding? Is there a way to change your governing ethos after starting a game? Yeah just embrace a faction in the faction management menu.
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Apr 13, 2017 14:38
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Sigh, none of my factions except egalitarians have the required 20%, and I'm already fanatic egalitarian. Having to have materialist government to give synths citizen rights wouldn't be so annoying if the xenophile and egalitarian factions weren't locked out of green happiness by the existence of non-citizen synths in your empire. My choices are either purge all synths, or sit here until I die of old age waiting for promotion of the materialist faction to produce tangible results. Edit: oddly enough my materialist faction is simply thrilled that I have synths, but doesn't give a poo poo that they're permanently enslaved 
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Apr 13, 2017 14:50
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You can promote factions and they'll start gaining popularity slowly. Suppression your main faction also speeds it up a bit, but you'll lose a bunch of influence income, obviously.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:07
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I have two separate factions that I'm promoting and I'm suppressing literally every other ethos and have been for over 1500 cheated influence and still can't embrace the other ethos despite it showing up as "25%" at the top of the factions tab. Bug or confusing tooltip? If it's not a bug, they need to tweak that or it's functionally impossible to switch ethos if you're of any size other than micro.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:18
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So is there a way to stop your main species from reproducing? I'm trying to make an all robot-sector and my stupid race keeps migrating to it and making babies. I tried setting population controls but you can't do it for your primary species.
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I had dropped this game after launch because there were a lot annoying things that were obvious fixes for Paradox. I got back in with Utopia and am enjoying it a lot. Thoughts in no particular order: If you have plantoid types, then the whole pollen pheromone world event chain is really rapey, like Jessica Jones/Purple Man level. Giving your species Nomad and Slow Breeders is a recipe for frustration. I colonized a Gaia world 2nd and 50 worlds later it's still not full because these drat jungle plant people keep on packing up and moving to tiny balls of ice. Curse your Extremely Adaptive bodies! Question: At two points, I got events where other Plantoid refugees (no previous contact) from a Fanatic Purifier settled on my colonies. I'm Fanatic Egalitarian and Xenophile. I don't know the game's .txt files well enough to be able to tell: did these species actually exist before the event fired? If so that is an amazing bit of responsive/emergent game, otherwise it's still a cool event. Is there an easy way to scroll between the spaceports of planets in your sectors? I've been clicking through my outliner but that's only for my core systems and I know I'm missing out on capacity/responsiveness. Overall the game is even more balls-out awesome and hasn't pissed me off at all. I especially like how the game is now more reasonable and informative about what special projects freeze your research, and gives that stuff a cost you can pay down faster with better teching, when I'm pretty sure it didn't before.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:I have two separate factions that I'm promoting and I'm suppressing literally every other ethos and have been for over 1500 cheated influence and still can't embrace the other ethos despite it showing up as "25%" at the top of the factions tab. It would really make more sense for building synths to be locked out from anyone other than materialist and full rights being available to anyone, but then the AI rebellion would pretty much never happen so  Something that struck me about hive mind purging, the fluff is that the singletons die because they can't survive in hive mind infrastructure. But if you gain an entire planet of singletons, and presumably the existing completely normal infrastructure already built on it, they still start dying immediately. Apparently out of spite.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:26
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Truga posted:Power nexus as unity building is arguably even better than paradise domes tbh, especially as a materialist, since you'll be spamming robots. No reason not to get both, obviously, but I'd go for that first. I also like this because Prosperity is a good tree in general to invest in early. Harmony, not as much.
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thatdarnedbob posted:I had dropped this game after launch because there were a lot annoying things that were obvious fixes for Paradox. I got back in with Utopia and am enjoying it a lot. Thoughts in no particular order:
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Magil Zeal posted:I also like this because Prosperity is a good tree in general to invest in early. Harmony, not as much. I almost wish unity trees rewarded spreading out picks instead of going all in, because I love the Harmony adoption bonus and I'd dip one point into the tree for that alone if it didn't screw with my ascension perks. Happy pixelmen are productive pixelmen.
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Conskill posted:I almost wish unity trees rewarded spreading out picks instead of going all in, because I love the Harmony adoption bonus and I'd dip one point into the tree for that alone if it didn't screw with my ascension perks. Happy pixelmen are productive pixelmen. I'd like the ascension perks to be unlocked every 5 unity picks and just making the bonus for filling out a particular tree better.
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Conskill posted:I almost wish unity trees rewarded spreading out picks instead of going all in, because I love the Harmony adoption bonus and I'd dip one point into the tree for that alone if it didn't screw with my ascension perks. Happy pixelmen are productive pixelmen.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:40
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This is strange. Sometimes, when I load in, I can't jump to systems from the galaxy map. I can if I reload though. Weird, am I right?
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Apr 13, 2017 15:43
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Splicer posted:Kitchner posted a neat idea of locking you into four traditions max, but letting each tradition unlock additional ascension slots by completing tasks. Like if you have Expansion unlocked but not necessarily completed and hit a certain number of colonies/pops you unlock another slot. That sounds like the exact opposite of what I'd want. I'd prefer more flexibility, not less.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:44
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whats a good set up if I want to be super evil murder beasts for civics/gov
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Apr 13, 2017 15:51
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So I went full synth as a Fanatic Materialist/Egalitarian Megacorp, and everyone got turned into sentient robots... except my CEO, who stayed a cyborg for whatever reason. She just got re-elected, and is now heading up a Xenophobe faction? This almost feels like some kind of cult, given she's literally the last remaining member of the pre-synthetic race. At least she's Charismatic so I still get the +15 diplo bonus with other empires.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:57
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Doorknob Slobber posted:whats a good set up if I want to be super evil murder beasts for civics/gov what flavor of evil we talking here the standard issue ravening purge-beast AI is a Spiritualist Xenophobe, but an Authoritarian Xenophobe gives you the most nuanced ways to do awful things to the alien monstrosities
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Doorknob Slobber posted:whats a good set up if I want to be super evil murder beasts for civics/gov Purifier, Hive Mind, or Normal Evil?
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Apr 13, 2017 16:01
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Doorknob Slobber posted:whats a good set up if I want to be super evil murder beasts for civics/gov Hive Mind. You're not evil, you're just different.
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Magil Zeal posted:That sounds like the exact opposite of what I'd want. I'd prefer more flexibility, not less.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:12
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Ze Pollack posted:what flavor of evil we talking here standard purge-beast is fanatic purifier, which requires militant/fanatic xenophobe but apparently it's broken atm?
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Splicer posted:Oh, thought you were talking about making early splashes better. What I object to is "four traditions maxed". Traditions are already pretty limiting and encourage monolithic specialization on the empire-level (I like specialization at the planet-level, not as much on the empire-level).
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Faction priorities are super weird right now, they want things that seem barely related to the ethos, and it seems like you only get one faction per ethos and they always want the same thing? Is that correct? Like I would love to have different factions from the same ethos with different desires which is sort of something we already have but... only for Xenophobes? Splicer posted:It would really make more sense for building synths to be locked out from anyone other than materialist and full rights being available to anyone, but then the AI rebellion would pretty much never happen so Only Eagleterian and those with the technological ascension perk should be able to offer synths full citizenship. Having Materialists offer full citizenship and also be the ones most likely to build robots is kinda dumb if you ever want the AI rebellion to actually happen.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:standard purge-beast is fanatic purifier, which requires militant/fanatic xenophobe AFAIK only the armageddon bombing doesn't work.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:18
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GlyphGryph posted:Only Eagleterian and those with the technological ascension perk should be able to offer synths full citizenship.
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What mods are worth using at the current version?
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Fanatic purifiers are  as hell. I've got a race of squamous squid monsters murdering their way across the galaxy and it's the most fun I've had in ages. A race of friendly mushroom dudes were the first neighbour I picked off and hell yeah I made a soup out of them. A purifier empire makes for an interesting game, 'cos while you get big buffs your economy's on a knife edge since you can't trade with anyone and everybody's constantly stepping to you whenever they can get an advantage, plus your empire expands and contracts as territory is conquered and the pops are all slaughtered or worked to death. You can quite easily overextend your fleet off the back of a swathe of conquered turf, then 30 years later your economy tanks as the slaves/cattle die off, your people end up starving and you're running a deficit so you need to go to war again to begin the process anew. And meanwhile an ever-expanding buffer of dead space grows around you, littered with worlds you occupied only long enough to liquidate and rename with the epitaph of the luckless resident species you extinguished.This game has made me a monster.
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Magil Zeal posted:What I object to is "four traditions maxed". Traditions are already pretty limiting and encourage monolithic specialization on the empire-level (I like specialization at the planet-level, not as much on the empire-level). specialisation on the empire level is the point, specialisation on the planet level doesn't do much to give variety between different playthroughs. this is why all the other empire customisation stuff is explicitly set up so that you can't just choose everything Truga posted:AFAIK only the armageddon bombing doesn't work. someone was saying that the unity for purging/no unity cost for alien pops thing is broken too
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Splicer posted:Stick Xenophile in there and we have a deal! Xenophile could offer it, but weakly - suppressed by spiritualist or authoritarian or xenophobe. "We love aliens and new things but... yeah, no, you definitely do not count, artificially created servant beings!" But xenophile pacifists, xenophile militarists and xenophile materialists are all at least willing to give it a shot. Eagletarian should allow even spiritualists to offer equal rights - "We may not like what you are or recognize you as real human beings, but we will give you these rights just the same and hope that perhaps in doing so you can someday find yourself a soul again somehow."
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TomViolence posted:This game has made me a monster. Paradox.txt, I can feel my alignment shifting every time I finish a campaign.
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ulmont posted:Egalitarian also lets you pick the beacon of liberty civic which is just a straight +15% unity bonus. lol reading this reminded me i never picked a third civic after i got the tech, around 200 years ago rip me i guess
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Pierson posted:Is there any way to force a war? Half my galaxy right now is split between two blocs wrapped up in defensive pacts, and I'm pretty sure in a fight we can take them, but I need the other bloc to declare on me for my allies to join me, and just insulting them hasn't worked so far. They're at -400 rep but even this pure loathing isn't enough for them to declare I guess. You could try to encroach on their borders by spamming frontier outposts right next to them. In my experience, many star nations tend to get really angry if you slowly steal their territory "peacefully" like this.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:specialisation on the empire level is the point, specialisation on the planet level doesn't do much to give variety between different playthroughs. this is why all the other empire customisation stuff is explicitly set up so that you can't just choose everything Not being able to choose everything is fine, but being permanently locked into one-time choices is stifling. It's my least favorite thing about the Traditions system, though overall I am okay with it. It's much more satisfying to be flexible and being able to shift my focus as the strategic situation changes.
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GlyphGryph posted:Xenophile could offer it, but weakly - suppressed by... ...xenophobe.  Probably more straightforward would be to allow Fanatic Xenophiles and Egalitarians to give full rights, and any flavour of Materialist. Mild Xenophiles/Egalitarians want rights for all people, but unless they're also materialist Synths don't really count as people. If they're fanatical about it though then they do count Synths as people, if only out of principle.
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