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Well, that's certainly a way to square the circle and put Errinwright back in the villain's seat. And all while setting up a redemptive arc. Not that this isn't possible, Errinwright betrayed Avasarala in such an open way that if it all goes south, and Earth doesn't get the protomolecule, it will blow back on him (and Mao). And if he succeeds, well, Mars no longer holds the PM over Earth's head. Sure, the Martian ambassador died under suspicious circumstances, but the body was returned and the autopsy shows no signs of foul play, and Earth blew up a Martian warship, but Earth has evidence that Mars was performing illegal biowar research, and oh well, tensions got exacerbated.
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Apr 13, 2017 14:30
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poo poo we aren't gonna get to the kickass ending of book 2
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Apr 13, 2017 14:36
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Oh im sorry I spoiled anyone by saying the ending was kickass
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Apr 13, 2017 14:38
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I mean, I hope you're wrong but I know you're probably right. I still think it would make sense for them to rearrange the order of some things and end with "Hey, we need to talk." I think they'll lose a lot of audience interest and emotional investment in Miller if they wait an entire IRL year+ to bring him back, and Tom Jane is way too good an actor for that to happen to. Swap the Io assault and the Ring activating, leave the season with Prax and Mei still unresolved and end with Proto-Miller as the cliffhanger. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 14:49
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I did have to laugh a bit at Holden threatening the whole blockade. The Roci is a capable ship, but it's still a featherweight as military ships go.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:39
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Yeah, it was a cool moment but the Martian reaction didn't make sense to me. If you're enforcing a blockade and one of your big warships just got destroyed up by Earth, I don't think they'd hesitate to blow up a rogue frigate popping up out of nowhere.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:01
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Bubbacub posted:Yeah, it was a cool moment but the Martian reaction didn't make sense to me. If you're enforcing a blockade and one of your big warships just got destroyed up by Earth, I don't think they'd hesitate to blow up a rogue frigate popping up out of nowhere. He rolled a Nat 20 on his intimidation check  I'm sorryI liked Holden in this episode. "Don't talk down to me, plant man!" lol Of the three subplots happening in this episode, I was finding the space refugee one to be the most boring, but by the end I'd done a total 180 and I'll be damned if I didn't have something in my eye...
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Apr 13, 2017 16:14
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Bubbacub posted:Yeah, it was a cool moment but the Martian reaction didn't make sense to me. He may just be an rear end in a top hat in a boat, but he's an unaligned rear end in a top hat. That's no one to risk WWIII over. Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister are excellent comedies if you dig politics. That scene reminded of this bit about the nuclear deterrent/"Salami Tactics:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y-yyaWCgiQ "...so the Last Resort is also the first-response, is that what you are saying?" Accretionist fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 16:14
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Accretionist posted:He may just be an rear end in a top hat in a boat, but he's an unaligned rear end in a top hat. That's no one to risk WWIII over. He's an unaligned rear end in a top hat in a boat that happens to be obviously Martian-built, which would make him either a defector or a hijacker... Is there some reason why the fleets didn't start shooting at each other when the Karakum went down? Does Earth have stealth torpedoes?
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Apr 13, 2017 16:26
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Bubbacub posted:He's an unaligned rear end in a top hat in a boat that happens to be obviously Martian-built, which would make him either a defector or a hijacker... None. It was a black ops boat but hardly something they can deny.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:29
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Bubbacub posted:He's an unaligned rear end in a top hat in a boat that happens to be obviously Martian-built, which would make him either a defector or a hijacker... The evacuees, you can be confident that it's done in one torpedo. With the Roci, you could lose ships and crew and one stray round into opposing forces could trigger WWIII. Letting him pass is the least risky move, especially when everyone involved probably wants an excuse to let the evacuees go.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:36
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I mean, with the Roci there now, they could replenish the air and go back, run the Roci's scrubbers hard to get it ready, but who know if that actually gets done.
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Probably best not to push their luck, they are clear.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:44
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Accretionist posted:The evacuees, you can be confident that it's done in one torpedo. With the Roci, you could lose ships and crew and one stray round into opposing forces could trigger WWIII. Letting him pass is the least risky move, especially when everyone involved probably wants an excuse to let the evacuees go. Good point, I guess it's easier to let a non-threatening frigate slip through when you're facing down an entire fleet of enemy battleships. I probably should have seen it coming, but Errinwright's betrayal was pretty  . They did a nice job of drawing out how humbled and vulnerable he pretended to be.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:50
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I liked the spirit level they pretended was future sci-fi poison. Surprisingly effective prop. Also did I miss the earlier episode's title card having protomolecule growths all over the planet, or was this episode's the first?
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Apr 13, 2017 17:08
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Also lol at the St. Germain bottle they used for the hundred-year-old Scotch whiskey in the (awesome) Errinwright scene.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:22
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Also did I miss the earlier episode's title card having protomolecule growths all over the planet, or was this episode's the first? You mean the halo of blue stuff that's floating around the last planet in the opening credits? That's been there since the first season, though it got bluer in the second season's version.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:24
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Whiskey doesn't age in bottles though. The alcohol is too high for anything to change after it is sealed, so it isn't like wine where it ages post bottling. Unless a barrel was somehow travelling by sea and went down with the ship, but that would only happen if Scotland was sending a barrel overseas for blending.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:27
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Open Source Idiom posted:You mean the halo of blue stuff that's floating around the last planet in the opening credits? That's been there since the first season, though it got bluer in the second season's version. Huh, guess I never noticed it.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:32
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crazypeltast52 posted:Whiskey doesn't age in bottles though. The alcohol is too high for anything to change after it is sealed, so it isn't like wine where it ages post bottling. Unless a barrel was somehow travelling by sea and went down with the ship, but that would only happen if Scotland was sending a barrel overseas for blending. Yeah, my issue isn't with the age, just thought it was funny that they thought a St. Germain bottle looked fancy and exotic enough for a future Scotch. (St. Germain is an elderflower liqueur, and on an unrelated note, it is delicious.)
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Apr 13, 2017 17:47
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Accretionist posted:The evacuees, you can be confident that it's done in one torpedo. With the Roci, you could lose ships and crew and one stray round into opposing forces could trigger WWIII. Letting him pass is the least risky move, especially when everyone involved probably wants an excuse to let the evacuees go. Yeah, if they'd let one unarmed refugee ship break the blockade that'd be some martian officer's getting court-martialed for disobeying orders the next day. However, Holden's posturing gave them a legitimate excuse to break orders as it was above everyone involved's paygrade to call his bluff and thus they let them pass. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 17:47
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Don't engage in small talk with Christjen.
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Apr 13, 2017 18:01
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How come Naomi can speak clearly and use real words while most belters all talk in their heavy dialect? Is she code shifting when around real humans vs belters? There were a few scenes where she was trying to relate to some lower class belters and suddenly she adopted all their accent and slang but around the Rocci she talks properly.
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Baronjutter posted:How come Naomi can speak clearly and use real words while most belters all talk in their heavy dialect? Is she code shifting when around real humans vs belters? There were a few scenes where she was trying to relate to some lower class belters and suddenly she adopted all their accent and slang but around the Rocci she talks properly. Yes. Belter Creole is heavily tied to class.
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Baronjutter posted:How come Naomi can speak clearly and use real words while most belters all talk in their heavy dialect? Is she code shifting when around real humans vs belters? There were a few scenes where she was trying to relate to some lower class belters and suddenly she adopted all their accent and slang but around the Rocci she talks properly. Probably from her time on the Cant. Her workmates probably got sick of it and got her some elocution lessons.
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Apr 13, 2017 18:15
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Yeah it's a code shifting/class based thing. She talks like an inyalowda when she's around the Roci crew (and 90% of the major characters, really) because they're all Earthers/Martians. When we do get to see her around other Belters, especially later on in the books, she speaks the creole. E:f,b
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https://fat.gfycat.com/InsidiousRepulsiveJaeger.mp4 I love Bobbie’s expression here.
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Also prax is a belter but he talks like a standard issue polite stem nerd. Aslo, plant guy.
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Bubbacub posted:Good point, I guess it's easier to let a non-threatening frigate slip through when you're facing down an entire fleet of enemy battleships. I thought it was telegraphed by his exceptionally firm "yes, I will" in response to Avasarala's "you'll survive this" in the last(?) episode.
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Apr 13, 2017 18:59
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Demiurge4 posted:'I was just making sure they didn't lose our luggage' This. Yes.
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Hewlett posted:Yeah, my issue isn't with the age, just thought it was funny that they thought a St. Germain bottle looked fancy and exotic enough for a future Scotch. (St. Germain is an elderflower liqueur, and on an unrelated note, it is delicious.) Ooh, I'll have to add some to my bar.
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Apr 13, 2017 19:26
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crazypeltast52 posted:Ooh, I'll have to add some to my bar. You should, it's great stuff. It's too sweet to drink much of it on its own, but it is/was a really trendy item for a minute, so there are lots of good cocktails out there that call for it.
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Apr 13, 2017 19:34
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drat if I didn't tear up during the boarding scene
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Apr 13, 2017 20:29
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The boarding scene was bad because what calmed the crowd was an appeal to their sense of space nationalism. e: future NYC  Similar contemporary view: 
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Apr 13, 2017 20:36
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crazypeltast52 posted:Ooh, I'll have to add some to my bar. It can make champagne more than just tolerable.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:03
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crazypeltast52 posted:Ooh, I'll have to add some to my bar. We've made a few St. Germain cocktails for my podcast, for movies like Robot Jox and Ichi the Killer. It's one of my favorite cordials.
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Apr 13, 2017 22:18
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Platystemon posted:The boarding scene was bad because what calmed the crowd was an appeal to their sense of space nationalism. Here's almost the exact same angle on google. 
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Edit: They avoided continuity errors by having the drop image cut off north of that shot.
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Please Eat A Vegetable posted:It can make champagne more than just tolerable. I haven't tried a St Germain in champagne in a while, but I think I remember the elderflower kind of getting lost. I dunno, for my money it's hard to top a French 75 for champagne cocktails. It's like a John Collins in a tux. My favorite St Germain cocktail so far is probably the Meadow Mule. 1.5 oz gin, 1 oz apple cider, 0.5 oz St Germain. Stir with ice and top with ginger ale. poo poo, right, this isn't the cocktail thread. So, has appealing to the better nature of an already panicking crowd ever worked in real life? It seems like a minor miracle that just opening that airlock didn't immediately create a meat grinder.
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