The closest anything like that's ever happened is tech villains selling equipment to other villains. I think almost every single genius villain has someone point out how much good they could do with their intellect if they weren't crazy assholes at one point, and it's always met with a variation of:
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Roth posted:That kind of happened in 52. I think as part of the Black Adam plot? I remember that, but they were still working for a supervillain or doing something evil, weren't they? I don't quite remember the resolution of that plot. I'm thinking more like full-on good guys, just with their goal as doing good and doing well at the same time. Lurdiak posted:The closest anything like that's ever happened is tech villains selling equipment to other villains. I think almost every single genius villain has someone point out how much good they could do with their intellect if they weren't crazy assholes at one point, and it's always met with a variation of: I always see that panel pop up on Twitter. It's from that Kalan guy's book, right? Is the whole thing comedic, and is it good?
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Apr 14, 2017 00:32
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Yeah, if I remember right they created some new suoervillains named after the Horsemen of the Apocalypse and had them ruin Bkack Adam's life for some reason. I always felt that was the weakest plot of 52, but at least it had Dr. Sivana carve up a turkey with a chainsaw while laughing maniacally.
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Apr 14, 2017 00:36
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I always see that panel pop up on Twitter. It's from that Kalan guy's book, right? Is the whole thing comedic, and is it good? It's from Spider-Man and the X-Men and yes it's a great book.
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Apr 14, 2017 00:40
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Sounds like they're Nazis but just don't hate the jews because that would be problematic for Cap.
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Aphrodite posted:Sounds like they're Nazis but just don't hate the jews because that would be problematic for Cap. No they're Nazis but they SHOULDNT be Nazis because mumble
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Apr 14, 2017 00:43
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Aphrodite posted:Sounds like they're Nazis but just don't hate the jews because that would be problematic for Cap. Can we make sure Ardian Syaf wasn't solicited as one of the artists on this?
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Apr 14, 2017 00:44
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Aphrodite posted:Sounds like they're Nazis but just don't hate the jews because that would be problematic for Cap. Like the modern white supremacists who are all "Wait a minute. We can team up with Israel to kill Muslims!" I say this as a Jew myself btw.
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Apr 14, 2017 00:53
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X-O posted:The MCU is largely where Hydra and Nazis are indistinguishable. In the comics Hydra goes all the way back to ancient Egypt and has been a foe of SHIELD since then
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Apr 14, 2017 01:05
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Ghostlight posted:I can tell you didn't manage to make it to the later series of Agents of SHIELD. You lucky bastard. You mean the recent series with Deathlok and all? I didn't finish it. Did the retcon something in that? Or do you mean the show? Because that really doesn't have anything to do with the movies and hasn't for a long time. Hydra there was revealed to be centuries old but it ultimately doesn't matter outside the narrative of that show. Also that was a pretty great storyline last season.
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Apr 14, 2017 01:15
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Marvel needs to take a mulligan on a lot of the stuff they've done recently. The next event should establish that Nightmare has been giving everyone nightmares for the past few years, so a lot of the Marvel characters have been kinda sleep deprived. Of course Beast wouldn't normally risk destroying time to make Cyclops feel bad or strand Noh Varr on a planet to die, he had been awake for days before he did that stuff. Iceman is bi, not gay, Iceman being full gay would be dumb, he was just super out of it when he said that stuff. Thor's Hammer isn't sentient, everybody had been up for 36 hours and heard a car radio and thought it was coming from the hammer.
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Apr 14, 2017 01:21
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Roth posted:Yeah, if I remember right they created some new suoervillains named after the Horsemen of the Apocalypse and had them ruin Bkack Adam's life for some reason. I thought it was an awesome plot that went in a direction that I didn't really care for. Initially when introduced it was an island filled with mad scientists given the money and resources to do whatever their crazy brains could think of, which is an awesome concept on it's own. Sadly it ended up being fairly generic, though the result of one of the experiments did provide for a truly shocking scene in the comic. Still the idea of an island just filled with mad scientists is really cool.
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X-O posted:You mean the recent series with Deathlok and all? I didn't finish it. Did the retcon something in that? Guy Goodbody posted:Marvel needs to take a mulligan on a lot of the stuff they've done recently. The next event should establish that Nightmare has been giving everyone nightmares for the past few years, so a lot of the Marvel characters have been kinda sleep deprived. Of course Beast wouldn't normally risk destroying time to make Cyclops feel bad or strand Noh Varr on a planet to die, he had been awake for days before he did that stuff. Iceman is bi, not gay, Iceman being full gay would be dumb, he was just super out of it when he said that stuff. Thor's Hammer isn't sentient, everybody had been up for 36 hours and heard a car radio and thought it was coming from the hammer.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Marvel needs to take a mulligan on a lot of the stuff they've done recently. The next event should establish that Nightmare has been giving everyone nightmares for the past few years, so a lot of the Marvel characters have been kinda sleep deprived. Of course Beast wouldn't normally risk destroying time to make Cyclops feel bad or strand Noh Varr on a planet to die, he had been awake for days before he did that stuff. Iceman is bi, not gay, Iceman being full gay would be dumb, he was just super out of it when he said that stuff. Thor's Hammer isn't sentient, everybody had been up for 36 hours and heard a car radio and thought it was coming from the hammer. What
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Apr 14, 2017 01:58
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Roth posted:What Iceman is gay.
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Apr 14, 2017 02:02
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I know, I don't understand how being gay and not bi is somehow dumb?
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Apr 14, 2017 02:04
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He dated a woman in some comic somewhere, therefore
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Roth posted:I know, I don't understand how being gay and not bi is somehow dumb? Young time displaced Iceman was outed, older Iceman has never identified as gay and has dated women. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but I sorta understand why others are all "uh, what?" Doesn't help that just before the outing older Bobby was dating Kitty Pryde.
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Apr 14, 2017 02:12
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Iceman will be bi when they merge.
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Like, I get it, but one of my best friends is a gay man who has dated and had sex with women before so it always weirds me out when people equate dating girls in the past to meaning that person is always going to be into women. The outing scene was really lovely though
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Roth posted:Like, I get it, but one of my best friends is a gay man who has dated and had sex with women before so it always weirds me out when people equate dating girls in the past to meaning that person is always going to be into women. I just think it's hilarious Bobby and Kitty dated and it's Bobby that was in the closet.
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Roth posted:I know, I don't understand how being gay and not bi is somehow dumb? For real humans, being gay and not bi is not dumb. It's dumb for Iceman. The dude had a whole story about dealing with prejudice against interracial dating when he was involved with a Japanese woman. Making him full gay kinda fucks with that, because hey, turns out his parents were right, if he had married that woman it would've been unfulfilling and wouldn't have worked out. Iceman in the movies had that great coming out scene. To turn that into "oh yeah and also literally" is just bad writing If Iceman was bi, you can still do a really good story about Iceman dealing with the fact that he was repressing a part of himself that his younger self doesn't have to because of the times they grew up in.
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But that is dumb as gently caress and loses a lot of the impact if you just make him bi. Also lol that making him gay somehow justifies anti interracial dating. You are reaching hard Just say you want him bi, don't try and rationalize it or make it the objectively correct choice.
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CharlestheHammer posted:But that is dumb as gently caress and loses a lot of the impact if you just make him bi. Clearly you've never seen the hostility bi people encounter from some parts of they gay community
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Clearly you've never seen the hostility bi people encounter from some parts of they gay community For example, our very own Three Olives
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Clearly you've never seen the hostility bi people encounter from some parts of they gay community I meant for the story being told. There are problems that bi men face but they are a completely different thing and you just can't switch them without it being lovely writing on its own.
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CharlestheHammer posted:But that is dumb as gently caress and loses a lot of the impact if you just make him bi. Who gives a poo poo about impact? Hydra Cap had a lot of impact, that doesn't mean it was good.
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Skwirl posted:Young time displaced Iceman was outed, older Iceman has never identified as gay and has dated women.  Wolverine and the X-Men 34, after they'd been dating for ten issues and several in-universe weeks, if not over a couple of months. And that was written before they decided he was gay.
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How old are Iceman and Kitty now? mid-30s for Iceman and mid-20s for Kitty?
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Guy Goodbody posted:How old are Iceman and Kitty now? mid-30s for Iceman and mid-20s for Kitty? How dare you, everyone in Marvel is exactly 21 years old forever.
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CapnAndy posted:Very, very badly. Like, look at this poo poo. Seems like that's one of those you know, jokes.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Who gives a poo poo about impact? Hydra Cap had a lot of impact, that doesn't mean it was good. Stories having points and themes are good. Hydra Cap so far does not have either of those things.
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Lightning Lord posted:Pretty sure Nick Spencer is gonna do some stupid poo poo that's a hamfisted metaphor for all the political nonsense going on in the world today that he thinks is a super, super clever reversal of all the Nazi Cap stuff and he'll be all "Now wasn't that payoff worth it guys?" and everyone will be "gently caress no" and in response Marvel will launch an X-Men Gold/Blue style back to basics meat and potatoes Captain America where he's punching Nazis. Funny thing is, Captain America did just that for the last two years. Only he was black and that's not good enough apparently. Skwirl posted:I just think it's hilarious Bobby and Kitty dated and it's Bobby that was in the closet. Let's not kid ourselves, both were in the closet then, Bobby just was forced to step out of it. I wish they just get over it with Kitty too, she has had terrible chemistry with every male romance (aka Peter something-or-other) they put her with. Decius fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Apr 14, 2017 |
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I'm really glad Nick Spencer continues to prove I was right when I kept insisting he's a lovely writer when everyone was loving Superior Foes of Spider-man.Decius posted:Let's not kid ourselves, both were in the closet then, Bobby just was forced to step out of it. That's because the people writing her are all in love with her and can't bring themselves to write her having true chemistry with another man. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Apr 14, 2017 |
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Decius posted:Let's not kid ourselves, both were in the closet then, Bobby just was forced to step out of it.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Claremont's gone on record Kitty/Rachel is canon, even if Marvel never did. That's all well and good but that's just his fan fiction unless it's in a book someday.
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I was surprised to learn that Kitty/Rachel was Claremont's (for want of a better word) vision; it's hardly implausible, but based on the comics I've read, I would have said that Kitty and Magik was what he was aiming at. 
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Guy Goodbody posted:How old are Iceman and Kitty now? mid-30s for Iceman and mid-20s for Kitty? Iceman is eternally not-quite-30 and Kitty is eternally early-to-mid-20s.
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I know that there's no point in thinking about it, but I do wonder sometimes, like, from Cyclops' point of view, how long ago was it that he was retired and living happily with his wife and child?
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Endless Mike posted:Iceman is eternally not-quite-30 and Kitty is eternally early-to-mid-20s. Kitty is kinda Marvel's Dick Grayson in this regard, where they both started as tweens and gradually aged semi-realistically until they hit legal drinking age and stopped.
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