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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Pissflaps posted:I'd like to see the unphotoshopped original image but only the altered one seems to exist on google. I found one, but it's a bit blurrier.  To be entirely frank, it looks like it's a anti-OO banner (note how it says "their culture", not "our culture". That said, there's an Orange Order in Canada, where it had a lot of overlap with the KKK. Equivocating the two organization is 100% justified and accurate.
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Apr 12, 2017 11:46
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I just realised the green symbol at the top looks a lot like the Sinn Féin logo so it might very well be an anti-OO banner.
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Apr 12, 2017 11:48
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Aye, can't imagine many folk cutting about at Orange marches with pictures of a unified Ireland on their banners of shitebaggery.
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Apr 12, 2017 11:58
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forkboy84 posted:Aye, can't imagine many folk cutting about at Orange marches with pictures of a unified Ireland on their banners of shitebaggery. United under Her Majesty 
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Apr 12, 2017 12:06
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Coohoolin posted:I just realised the green symbol at the top looks a lot like the Sinn Féin logo so it might very well be an anti-OO banner.
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Apr 12, 2017 12:06
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The orange order are hegemonic, supremacist pricks and the only reason folk don't lump them together with fash as a matter of course is because the targets of their campaigns of intimidation and provocation are white and christian. That's my scorching hot take.
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Apr 12, 2017 12:11
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The ugly side of Scottish nationalism: internet abuse directed at a Jim Murphy aide and the long-defunct Siol Nan Gaidheal. The ugly side of British nationalism: internet abuse directed at everyone, elected politicians and media outlets openly calling for violence, institutional British fascists, and the only instance of targeted physical violence in George Square the day after the referendum. *sagely nods head* yep these things are equally as bad as each other.
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Apr 12, 2017 12:15
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TomViolence posted:The orange order are hegemonic, supremacist pricks and the only reason folk don't lump them together with fash as a matter of course is because the targets of their campaigns of intimidation and provocation are white and christian. That's my scorching hot take. Yeah they are vile, and much more dangerous than most of the tiny hate groups that do get banned. It's deeply shameful that they are still allowed to march around intimidating people.
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Apr 12, 2017 12:17
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Coohoolin posted:The ugly side of Scottish nationalism: internet abuse directed at a Jim Murphy aide and the long-defunct Siol Nan Gaidheal. You forgot literally orchestrating a campaign of abuse that led to the suicide of a prominent politician.
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Apr 12, 2017 12:26
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Jedit posted:You forgot literally orchestrating a campaign of abuse that led to the suicide of a prominent politician. Man I know you loving hate the SNP but you've got to stop blaming the SNP for Charles Kennedy, it's offensive to literally everyone involved and makes you look really really bad.
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Apr 12, 2017 12:27
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Coohoolin posted:Man I know you loving hate the SNP but you've got to stop blaming the SNP for Charles Kennedy, it's offensive to literally everyone involved and makes you look really really bad. Yeah he definitely is the one looking bad here 
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Apr 12, 2017 12:55
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Niric posted:After work weekday pint could be a shout. Centre of town ok for that? Next week isn't great besides wednesday, week after is better. Any other glasgow folk fancy it? Just in case you're in town, I'll be off work around 4-4.30 so would be cool then. I was thinking of going to the Ben Nevis later for the trad session but that's not till 9 so I've got the whole afternoon.
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Apr 12, 2017 15:04
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Coohoolin posted:Just in case you're in town, I'll be off work around 4-4.30 so would be cool then. I was thinking of going to the Ben Nevis later for the trad session but that's not till 9 so I've got the whole afternoon. Hey, only just got around to checking the thread the now I'm afraid. Fancy a pint next week? Could potentially do Monday (although out seeing Mr scruff on Sunday night, so may be a wee bit delicate), or Tuesday or Wednesday. Straight from work is best for me (since I have to go through the centre of town anyway), so could meet from about 5ish
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Apr 12, 2017 19:34
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Coohoolin posted:The ugly side of Scottish nationalism: internet abuse directed at a Jim Murphy aide and the long-defunct Siol Nan Gaidheal. I'm pretty sure the "ugly side of Scottish nationalism" is going to be the same as any ugly nationalism. I.E unrepentant tribalism. I'm not saying the SNP is bad or has more "ugly" nationalism than any other movement but I also disagree that it's any friendlier than any other nationalism. There absolutely will be members of the YES movement that don't think of the English as people. These people shouldn't representative of the movement but nor should they be ignored or treated like they're not a problem. "Oh all movements have bad apples but our bad apples are less badderer applelerers than theirs" is not a particularly nuanced position.
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Apr 12, 2017 20:00
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Niric posted:Hey, only just got around to checking the thread the now I'm afraid. Fancy a pint next week? Could potentially do Monday (although out seeing Mr scruff on Sunday night, so may be a wee bit delicate), or Tuesday or Wednesday. Straight from work is best for me (since I have to go through the centre of town anyway), so could meet from about 5ish Aye Monday should work, or Tuesday, or Wednesday. Tell you what, why don't you email me at elias dot Eiholzer at gmail.com and I'll send you my number.
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Apr 12, 2017 20:50
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Regarde Aduck posted:I'm pretty sure the "ugly side of Scottish nationalism" is going to be the same as any ugly nationalism. I.E unrepentant tribalism. I'm not saying the SNP is bad or has more "ugly" nationalism than any other movement but I also disagree that it's any friendlier than any other nationalism. There absolutely will be members of the YES movement that don't think of the English as people. These people shouldn't representative of the movement but nor should they be ignored or treated like they're not a problem. It's not so much that as it is the frequency of abuse and the level of institutional support it has. One side has examples across the media and elected political members (also see the tory council candidate suspended today) and the other has an egg and a defunct group.
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Apr 12, 2017 20:51
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Coohoolin posted:It's not so much that as it is the frequency of abuse and the level of institutional support it has. One side has examples across the media and elected political members (also see the tory council candidate suspended today) and the other has an egg and a defunct group. All nationalism is bad and all nationalists think their nationalism is exceptional. You're wrong.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:38
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Coohoolin posted:It's not so much that as it is the frequency of abuse and the level of institutional support it has. One side has examples across the media and elected political members (also see the tory council candidate suspended today) and the other has an egg and a defunct group. Once I was a junior Lib Dem staffer. I got called a traitor at parliament every so often but election nights in particular really seemed to rile some people up. The night that the Alex Salmond won re-election in Scotland, displacing a popular (at the time) Lib Dem I was chatting with Tommy Sheridan on a couch with a.few other political staff at the BBC in Glasgow. Everyone together, except the SNP. When the Salmond result was announced about six SNP staffers sprinted over to shake their fists and give the finger about two inches in front of my face. I'm almost 100% sure of them are elected now. I also used to have a screenshot of a sitting SNP MSP telling someone to 'gently caress off back to England' on a St Andrews uni forum. We decided just to leave it because really who cares? it's just what some people in the party are like. This was 2007. Hopefully some of those kids will have sounded out now they are parliamentarians, however using intimidation to back up your political view is a big problem common to nationalists. The SNP have it in spades. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Apr 12, 2017 23:06
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Jedit posted:You forgot literally orchestrating a campaign of abuse that led to the suicide of a prominent politician. Kennedy also didn't kill himself. Well, unless you count his drinking problem as suicide but I think that's rude, even for SA. Did a wee Fife roadtrip today. On the way into Anstruther, saw a house flying a saltire and a Wings flag. Immediately articulated a need to let Pissy know. (The fish supper was incredible. The St Andrews rahs, less so)
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Apr 13, 2017 01:12
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Zalakwe posted:Once I was a junior Lib Dem staffer. I got called a traitor at parliament every so often but election nights in particular really seemed to rile some people up. It's terrible that constant abuse isn't the norm for Liberal Democrats.
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Apr 13, 2017 01:30
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forkboy84 posted:It's terrible that constant abuse isn't the norm for Liberal Democrats. Edgy socialist is edgy... In all seriousness though it's fine for you to say that here, it's not a suitable attitude for a future parliamentarian at a TV studio. We don't let Bojo off the hook for acting like a child, why others? Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 06:38
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In the continuing story of quote:Scotland's Education Secretary John Swinney told the Good Morning Scotland programme that since the establishment of the Scottish Futures Trust in 2007, the construction methods used to build schools had changed and that no school built since then had suffered the defects associated with the previous system. * it's not very clear if these building schemes are "just" PPP or also included a PFI component. Since one was my old school I paid more attention than usual and I'm fairly sure I recall PFI being mentioned at the time of building, but a quick search doesn't give me anything concrete. Just going by this very old (14 years!) BBC article PPP is just a very broad umbrella term for any form of collaboration, so it doesn't really tell us much. The cynic in me suspects that the Scottish Government and the various councils are keen to avoid using the term PFI because it's got negative connotations and they think it might make them look bad, but that's just a guess.
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Apr 13, 2017 14:24
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Ruth Davidson says it would be grossly hypocritical of Nicola Sturgeon if she didn't mitigate the effects of the rape clause. https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/852506473712234496 It's good that the mask is coming off and Ruth is losing that "cool" perception she had.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:54
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I'm confused does that mean the SNP will do something or not?
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Apr 13, 2017 15:56
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Assuming complaining about it doesn't count as something, no, I'd imagine not.
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Apr 13, 2017 17:10
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Coohoolin posted:Ruth Davidson says it would be grossly hypocritical of Nicola Sturgeon if she didn't mitigate the effects of the rape clause. Wouldn't it ?
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Apr 13, 2017 19:12
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How much gall does it take for a Tory to try and take a moral high ground on this issue? Jeeeeez...
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Apr 14, 2017 01:14
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Another day, another Tory candidate mired in controversy. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15224625.Tory_candidate_denies_BNP_link_despite_details_in_database/ It's a shame that, under the laws of the endless Scottish culture war, all people who happen to share his constitutional position are now also responsible for his views and actions.
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Apr 14, 2017 11:04
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neillrfc1690nosurrender@hotmail.co.uk I wonder if he uses that one on job applications
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Apr 14, 2017 11:11
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Cerv posted:neillrfc1690nosurrender@hotmail.co.uk A Glasgow employment agency CC'd one of its circulars to me and about a hundred other locals. I can confirm that a significant number of people have email addresses like this and do send them to employers. I suppose it is a sword which cuts two ways. Meanwhile what's everyone's best guesses on the SNP masterplan? They promised to retaliate to the British government's referendum rejection this week, but have already ruled out court action or a snap election. Maybe all of their Westminster MPs will resign, or use obstruction tactics in the House (which would quickly bring Parliament to a halt since it's all about precedent and gentlemen's agreements). I am looking forward to whatever strategical nonsense they have to offer.
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Apr 16, 2017 12:20
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Juliet Whisky posted:Meanwhile what's everyone's best guesses on the SNP masterplan? They promised to retaliate to the British government's referendum rejection this week, but have already ruled out court action or a snap election. Maybe all of their Westminster MPs will resign, or use obstruction tactics in the House (which would quickly bring Parliament to a halt since it's all about precedent and gentlemen's agreements). I am looking forward to whatever strategical nonsense they have to offer. 
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Apr 16, 2017 13:24
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Juliet Whisky posted:Meanwhile what's everyone's best guesses on the SNP masterplan? Moan a lot, have good rhetoric but gently caress all in the way of substance. Usual SNP stuff. Stir up some discontent, but not much more than that.
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Apr 16, 2017 13:41
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So. General election. There's no way this doesn't become all about a referendum. Can the snp replicate or better their success of 2015? Even one dropped seat would be extremely difficult for them.
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Apr 18, 2017 11:27
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The SNP are surely going to drop a few seats, quite a few of their MPs have absolutely hosed It since 2015, people will want them gone
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Apr 18, 2017 11:28
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Cat Machine posted:The SNP are surely going to drop a few seats, quite a few of their MPs have absolutely hosed It since 2015, people will want them gone Probably, but lets be fair, the fact that they won't do as well as they did in 2015 doesn't mean that much since it'd be pretty drat hard to do as well as/better than 56 out of 59 to begin with. The latest Scotland specific poll of GE voting intentions still has the SNP on 47%, which is pretty close to the 50% they got in the last election.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:04
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It's not about being fair - it's totally gently caress the already spluttering nationalist momentum. I think it's going to be extremely difficult to predict what'll happen though. I do think Labour could be wiped out.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:08
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The SNP will do incredibly well but still lose seats because their 2015 result was out of this world. Ian Murray might lose his seat, but I can see a couple of new Tory MPs alongside Mundell as they have done well at coalescing the unionist support behind them. Maybe Moray and one or two more in the borders? Guess time will tell and we'll be able to guess slightly better after the May elections.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:13
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The Tories probably won't make ground in Scotland under FPTP, especially after Davidson's defense of the rape clause. Edinburgh West is 100% going to the Lib Dems at the very least, and Ian Murray will probably retain. Otherwise, I can see Black, Wishart, Sheppard, Robertson and Salmond definitely keeping their seats, but a fair few SNP folks will lose their seats to the Lib Dems. I'm guessing they'll have about 42 seats, something around that scale. Definitely the majority party in Scotland.
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Apr 18, 2017 13:18
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That would be a nightmare result for the SNP.
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Apr 18, 2017 13:21
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Pissflaps posted:That would be a nightmare result for the SNP. I'm not sure it'd be a nightmare, it's still a very good performance considering how many MPs they had this time 2 year years ago, but it would be a solid confirmation that there's gently caress all chance of ScotRef passing. They were always going to lose MPs because this isn't held 6 months after the first independence referendum, though I do think Venomous's view is an extreme result. There's been no boundary reform as of yet, and while getting 49.97% nationally is not happening again and never would, the SNP losing 13 MPs seems...I don't see it personally. But I've not looked at any Scottish polling recently so maybe the Lib Dems really are having an incredible resurrection and will force Labour into 4th place. I'm pretty sceptical of that but I'm also entirely biased against the Lib Dems so I'm probably underestimating their chances.
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