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 So this gets a card that's in the next set, right?
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Yeah this is good.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:15
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 This is undoubtedly the most disappointing real card from a fake spoiled card I've ever seen.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:16
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The two cards that really stand out to me at uncommon are the 3/2 flying deathtouch that only cost B if a creature died, and the 3/2 that ads +1/+0 when it attacks to your team at R/W.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:19
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TheMaestroso posted:
I was looking for it in this spoiler and couldn't find it either. Wouldn't be the first time they did this, even recently.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:24
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^^ I like those two as well The 3/3 1RG with trample that gives everything else you have trample seems great for limited too
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Apr 14, 2017 16:24
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It doesn't look like enough good cards that put -1/-1 counter on opposing creatures were spoiled to hurt winding constrictor decks. One mana deathtouch bird goes directly into those decks, probably as a 4-of, since they already run like eight cheap removal spells.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:26
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  red cant have nice things  new toy for living end, it's almost a strict upgrade to carabid. there's also a 7/7 but two mana cycling might be a dealbreaker  gravedigger is back. seems a little poorly positioned for limited, since with embalm everyone is going to have access to 2-for-1 creatures  what a nightmare to play against in limited
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uninverted posted:It doesn't look like enough good cards that put -1/-1 counter on opposing creatures were spoiled to hurt winding constrictor decks. One mana deathtouch bird goes directly into those decks, probably as a 4-of, since they already run like eight cheap removal spells. Pretty sure that bird is going to see modern play.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:27
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The B Delver of Secrets will see play in a lot of formats. It's considerably worse than Delver of Secrets, but it's still really good.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:27
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 Oh hey the last land was Wilds. That's fixing, I guess.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:29
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Sickening posted:Pretty sure that bird is going to see modern play. What deck wants that in modern that is going to be easily able to turn it on?
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Apr 14, 2017 16:31
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InterrupterJones posted:
Why is it a "wurm" when it's obviously a snake head?
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Apr 14, 2017 16:31
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I feel like there's too many decks that dodge it for Bone Picker to be good in modern/legacy. Maybe you can hedge a bit by playing it as a 1-of but the card is super embarassing against tron, scapeshift, ad nauseam, control, etc. Or just take out all the removal with discard spells and leave the card stranded in your opponent's hand.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:32
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mcmagic posted:What deck wants that in modern that is going to be easily able to turn it on? Grixis Delver
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Apr 14, 2017 16:32
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I'd play that in limited even without the cost reduction ability.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:32
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Sampatrick posted:The B Delver of Secrets will see play in a lot of formats. It's considerably worse than Delver of Secrets, but it's still really good. It's not like Delver's ubiquitous. I'm skeptical - against a lot of decks it's a very embarrassing card.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:32
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What are the odds of Dread Wanderer making its way into Mardu?
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Apr 14, 2017 16:33
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Sampatrick posted:Grixis Delver Only against certain matchups. It's also a more defensive body and Delver is probably just in the market to play a Tasigur on T3 over this.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:34
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 you might not care but others do
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Apr 14, 2017 16:34
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mcmagic posted:What deck wants that in modern that is going to be easily able to turn it on? Grixis Delver easily. Sure its crap against decks with little/no early creatures, but thankfully the format is full of poo poo that dies to fatal push. 4 delver, 4 bonepicker, 4 snap, 4 push, 4 bolt, 4 serum visions, then the normal spells snares, remands etc, couple anglers/tasigurs for late game. It won't make grixis delver t1 but it is much better than young pyro in most cases because you play it for B and it is a 3/2 flying deathtouch.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:34
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This card is sick for limited: all the multicolor uncommons are sweet.
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Rinkles posted:It's not like Delver's ubiquitous. I'm skeptical - against a lot of decks it's a very embarrassing card. At least in Modern, there aren't really many decks that don't have creatures and of those they're almost entirely tier 2. There are a lot of matchups where this is bad, you're right, but there are also a lot of matchups where this is really good. I would honestly be shocked if it didn't see play.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:35
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Barry Shitpeas posted:you might not care but others do
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Apr 14, 2017 16:35
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Drafting a U/B/x cycling deck is going to be sweet
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Apr 14, 2017 16:36
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jassi007 posted:Grixis Delver easily. Sure its crap against decks with little/no early creatures, but thankfully the format is full of poo poo that dies to fatal push. 4 delver, 4 bonepicker, 4 snap, 4 push, 4 bolt, 4 serum visions, then the normal spells snares, remands etc, couple anglers/tasigurs for late game. It won't make grixis delver t1 but it is much better than young pyro in most cases because you play it for B and it is a 3/2 flying deathtouch. Grixis Delver is a aggro deck. This is a defensive card and it's a complete crap topdeck later in the game. I don't see it. If you think Tasigur is for later in the game you haven't been playing Grixis Delver. That deck wants a T2/T3 Tasigur to do it's thing.
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Firebatgyro posted:Drafting a U/B/x cycling deck is going to be sweet
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mcmagic posted:Grixis Delver is a aggro deck. This is a defensive card and it's a complete crap topdeck later in the game. I don't see it. If you think Tasigur is for later in the game you haven't been playing Grixis Delver. That deck wants a T2/T3 Tasigur to do it's thing. I don't agree that its a defensive card. It also triggers off your creatures dying, which will be a thing that happens against even the creature light decks. It is a downgrade in a lot of situations to delver and won't replace it, but the rate and deathtouch are big upsides that are hard to ignore.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:40
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mcmagic posted:Grixis Delver is a aggro deck. This is a defensive card and it's a complete crap topdeck later in the game. I don't see it. If you think Tasigur is for later in the game you haven't been playing Grixis Delver. That deck wants a T2/T3 Tasigur to do it's thing. a 3/2 flier for 1cmc is a defensive card? I can't even man. I know that I always hold my flipped delvers back for defense too. loving bomb rear end blocker against Death Shadow and Goyf. /s
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mcmagic posted:Grixis Delver is a aggro deck. This is a defensive card and it's a complete crap topdeck later in the game. I don't see it. If you think Tasigur is for later in the game you haven't been playing Grixis Delver. That deck wants a T2/T3 Tasigur to do it's thing. You can t2 cast the bird way more consistently than t2 Tasigur. The card might be mediocre late game, but that's also true of Delver of Secrets. Tasigur is pretty weak in Modern nowadays, being able to get aggressive earlier on seems much better. It's certainly worth testing at the very least.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:42
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Siivola posted:
I like this art, gonna replace the ones in my edh decks with it
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Apr 14, 2017 16:42
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Sampatrick posted:You can t2 cast the bird way more consistently than t2 Tasigur. The card might be mediocre late game, but that's also true of Delver of Secrets. Tasigur is pretty weak in Modern nowadays, being able to get aggressive earlier on seems much better. It's certainly worth testing at the very least. Tasigur is not weak in modern. Its a big card in grixis death shadow and it currently battle the jund version for the best deck in modern.
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Sampatrick posted:You can t2 cast the bird way more consistently than t2 Tasigur. The card might be mediocre late game, but that's also true of Delver of Secrets. Tasigur is pretty weak in Modern nowadays, being able to get aggressive earlier on seems much better. It's certainly worth testing at the very least. I think, T2 this and T2 Tasigur are about equally possible and Tasigur is better. You need to have your T1 play killed on your turn 2 OR have a Bolt/Push and they play a one drop. I don't think that will happen very often.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:44
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Yeah, saying that the bird is "way better than Young Pyro most of the time" kinda tells me you haven't played much Delver
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jassi007 posted:a 3/2 flier for 1cmc is a defensive card? I can't even man. I know that I always hold my flipped delvers back for defense too. loving bomb rear end blocker against Death Shadow and Goyf. /s if your opponent has early targets for fatal push, then you are probably in the control role as grixis delver Sickening posted:I don't agree that its a defensive card. It also triggers off your creatures dying, which will be a thing that happens against even the creature light decks. It is a downgrade in a lot of situations to delver and won't replace it, but the rate and deathtouch are big upsides that are hard to ignore. Keep in mind that it has to be done on your turn, and exile effects don't work. these are huge downsides and there's already incentive against U/B to use removal on your opponents turn while they're tapped out
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Apr 14, 2017 16:46
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Barry Shitpeas posted:
What the gently caress?
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Apr 14, 2017 16:47
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Is Aristocrats a deck in modern?
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jassi007 posted:a 3/2 flier for 1cmc is a defensive card? I can't even man. I know that I always hold my flipped delvers back for defense too. loving bomb rear end blocker against Death Shadow and Goyf. /s You can't play it on T1 and attack with it on T2 as a 3/2 like you can with delver. Also the card Delver sucks in modern and you should never play it but that is a whole nother issue.
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Apr 14, 2017 16:47
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Barry Shitpeas posted:
 Diegetic arguments are the worst.
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mcmagic posted:You can't play it on T1 and attack with it on T2 as a 3/2 like you can with delver. Also the card Delver sucks in modern and you should never play it but that is a whole nother issue. Ah man I was on your side till this post
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