|
Who is the man?? This poll is closed. |
|||
|---|---|---|---|
| Goku |
|
202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
|
279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
|
208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
|
212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
|
135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
|
90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
|
120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
|
89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
|
71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
|
69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
|
86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
|
62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
|
327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
|
90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
|
104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
|
99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
|
68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
|
53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
|
83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
|
43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
|
112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
|
48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
|
41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
|
42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
|
90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
|
26 | 0.91% |
| Total: | 1326 votes | ||
|
Let's be honest both forms of the tournament were pure garbage. Super only got worth watching when Future Trunks returned.
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 17:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 00:16 |
|
|
Caros posted:the Manga seems to be written by someone who gives slight amounts of fucks about keeping some semblance of order to the power scaling. Wow, that's worse than anything anyone else has said about it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 18:55
|
|
|
Ammat The Ankh posted:Wow, that's worse than anything anyone else has said about it. Yes, because logical consistency in fictional works is terrible. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 19:36
|
|
|
Caros posted:Yes, because logical consistency in fictional works is terrible. Worrying about power scaling in a franchise where power has always fluctuated wildly and success comes not from who is more powerful but the themes of the fight generally does tend to lead to Star Wars EU Syndrome though where there's more focus on the fictional hard numbers than the actual ideas behind it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 19:46
|
|
|
Caros posted:Yes, because logical consistency in fictional works is terrible. DB has never had that really. Power is judged only on the narrative convenience scale.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 19:57
|
|
|
you know what's dumb: Goku saying Trunks and Goten don't think outside the box enough to fight when one of their Fusion's techniques is trapping an opponent in a magical volleyball.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 20:06
|
|
|
sassassin posted:Let's be honest both forms of the tournament were pure garbage. magetto was awesome don't make me fight you
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 20:20
|
|
|
sassassin posted:Let's be honest both forms of the tournament were pure garbage. Frost and Magetta owned.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 20:23
|
|
|
Universe 6 just needs to keep a guard on Botamo's legs and they will win.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 22:14
|
|
|
Kanos posted:Frost and Magetta owned. And so did Cabba. And Hit. Almost like that whole arc was pretty good? Saying SSB drains them of energy is going against the whole point of having god power, which was having total control over yourself so as to not use energy pointlessly. Momomo fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 15, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 23:19
|
|
|
dosn't the manga guy just get an overview of plot points from toriyama and free reign on how to connect the dots? even if something's different, it's not like he's going out of his way to spite the show or w/eStallion Cabana posted:you know what's dumb: I thought he said the problem was that they wouldn't take it seriously and I mean he's right
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 23:29
|
|
|
Manatee Cannon posted:dosn't the manga guy just get an overview of plot points from toriyama and free reign on how to connect the dots? even if something's different, it's not like he's going out of his way to spite the show or w/e Yes. Both manga and show are produced by the same process. Toriyama sends a copy of his outline to both, who expand as necessary for their mediums.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 23:38
|
|
|
sassassin posted:Yes. Not quite. Multiple interviews have stated that contrary to the anime, Toriyama works directly with Toyotaro on the manga. Most of his oversight tends to be making sure the sense of humor is still correct, but he's said a few times he approves of what Toyotaro does, and would love to see more of Toyotaro's own ideas.
|
|
#
?
Apr 15, 2017 23:49
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:DB has never had that really. This isn't really true though. While power scaling tends to advance in ludicrous leaps and bounds, there is always some sort of in setting catalyst for it. Zenkai, super saiyan, kaio ken, whatever. This ability is stronger than that ability, this person is stronger than that one until they aren't as a result of some new twist. The problem is that super tends to just sort of shrug it's shoulders when it comes to strength of various characters, particularly in the Goku black stuff. Trunks fights black at the start of the plot and gets his rear end handed to him by Black in his base form. Twenty episodes later he manages to temporarily hold off black in rose(Before his super saiyan rage thing) despite nothing having changed. Or Black himself. He gets stronger for no adequately explored reason multiple times over the course of the fighting. I guess we are supposed to assume it is a zenkai, but it breaks every rule of that particular power boost so who knows. It would be like piccolo getting back up and fighting semi perfect cell getting wasted by imperfect. Strength in Dragonball is fluctuates, but usually with a reason.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 00:38
|
|
|
Kurui Reiten posted:Not quite. Multiple interviews have stated that contrary to the anime, Toriyama works directly with Toyotaro on the manga. Most of his oversight tends to be making sure the sense of humor is still correct, but he's said a few times he approves of what Toyotaro does, and would love to see more of Toyotaro's own ideas. In the interview I read with both of them Toyotaro was a massive fawning fanboy, it didn't seem like there was a close working relationship. He probably does get a lot more input than Toei due to the slower nature of the production process.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 00:45
|
|
|
Just lol if you don't think SSB Kaioken is cool as balls and is thus canon
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 01:20
|
|
|
Caros posted:Trunks fights black at the start of the plot and gets his rear end handed to him by Black in his base form. Twenty episodes later he manages to temporarily hold off black in rose(Before his super saiyan rage thing) despite nothing having changed. I'm telling you, man - Trunks' new form (yellow and blue aura) runs on the power of "Smug Gods Talking poo poo". Since he had an infinite source of smug, he could have fought anything or anyone, on that day, in that situation. Super Saiyan Give A gently caress is a powerful transformation.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 01:25
|
|
|
Caros posted:This isn't really true though. Nothing changed? He trained with Vegeta. Dragon Ball operates on the "training with/fighting stronger people makes you jump in power by leaps and bounds" logic. Black obviously powers up by fighting Goku in a similar way, and since they have the same body, he unlocks the same stuff. As soon as Goku shows him a new level of ability, he starts picking it up himself.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 01:48
|
|
|
The manga is cool and fun, the anime is cool and fun, this latest episode is cool and fun. Power Levels are bullshit. I'm slightly mad they hid 17's wife and kids, but it was a great episode and I loved the reference to Uub at the start of it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 02:02
|
|
|
Goddammit Kami you were holding out on us.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 02:20
|
|
|
StrifeHira posted:The manga is cool and fun, the anime is cool and fun, this latest episode is cool and fun. Actually, if you look closely you'll find that the manga is cool and fun, the anime is fun and good, and that this newest episode is good and our friend 
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 02:38
|
|
|
I like how 17 is apparently a near top tier fighter now due to training all this time. Nobody just bothered to pay him any attention.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 02:39
|
|
|
this is a way better way to bring 17 back than the Super 17 stuff his personality comes across really well in this episode and feels pretty natural for him to have been off on his own doing his own thing this whole time with how he talks about it. i was worried it wouldn't make any sense
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 02:40
|
|
|
After seeing 17's current level of power after training, can we all take a moment to appreciate how good a scientist Dr. Gero apparently was?
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 02:55
|
|
|
AndwhatIseeisme posted:After seeing 17's current level of power after training, can we all take a moment to appreciate how good a scientist Dr. Gero apparently was? Dr. Briefs/Bulma might as well be as smart as Goku
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:00
|
|
|
AndwhatIseeisme posted:After seeing 17's current level of power after training, can we all take a moment to appreciate how good a scientist Dr. Gero apparently was? They should wish Dr. Gero back and have him turn Mr. Buu into an android. Wait! He should turn Frieza into an android while in Hell.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:04
|
|
|
AndwhatIseeisme posted:After seeing 17's current level of power after training, can we all take a moment to appreciate how good a scientist Dr. Gero apparently was? i just love how Dr. Gero had around what 3 back up plans? He really wanted to kill Goku.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:08
|
|
|
17 pwns
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:09
|
|
|
Shindragon posted:i just love how Dr. Gero had around what 3 back up plans? Remember too, when he was building all these cyborgs and androids that range in power from "Stronger than the Galactic Tyrant who has terrorized and enslaved countless warrior species" to "Capable of trading blows with the gods", he was doing it to counter Goku's pre-namek level of strength. The man does not half-rear end his experiments.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:12
|
|
|
Darko posted:I like how 17 is apparently a near top tier fighter now due to training all this time. Nobody just bothered to pay him any attention. If you guys want to know how humourless power levels can make people folks on reddit have been complaining about the last five episodes and how everyone so far should have been instantly killed by SSB Goku. Also that 17 could trained enough to get this strong.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:27
|
|
|
'hey 17, whacha doing' 'saving animals from poachers' Suddenly SPACE poachers! I love DBSuper.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:28
|
|
|
I wonder why 17 is a nihilist now.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:43
|
|
|
Rutibex posted:I wonder why 17 is a nihilist now. Getting eaten alive by an insect's rear end would have that effect on anyone
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:49
|
|
|
Kithkar posted:Goddammit Kami you were holding out on us. I wonder if he even knew his house could move, his Dragon Balls were weak poo poo if you remember
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:51
|
|
|
pik_d posted:I wonder if he even knew his house could move, his Dragon Balls were weak poo poo if you remember Super Buu destroyed the original lookout. The one they have now with a fly mode must have been created by Dende
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:54
|
|
|
wait, the Lookout can move?!
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:57
|
|
|
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait... #17 has a family. They live on another nearby Island. He has one biological child and two adopted children. Uub is a child. Lives on an island. Nearby to #17's reserve ... No!
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:59
|
|
|
AndwhatIseeisme posted:After seeing 17's current level of power after training, can we all take a moment to appreciate how good a scientist Dr. Gero apparently was? He put an infinite energy engine inside them so it sorta kinda makes sense that they'd get stronger eventually!
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 03:59
|
|
|
Caros posted:This isn't really true though. No, it's absolutely true. You're paying attention to the big power ups and ignoring all the other power ups that people get to remain remotely relevant. Recall that in a year of training Krillin went from being weaker to Goku who was weaker than Raditz to being able to oneshot several Raditz-level enemies with a single attack. Dr. Gero went from making earth-level Androids to making ones that could effortlessly kill the omnipotent galactic tyrant. The reason why it stands out with Saiyans and such is because they ate the show and the other characters got way fewer fights, not because they also didn't get bullshit power ups that put them on the eternal level of 'close to strong enough." Dragon Ball has always allowed characters to catch up in power. They're never as strong as Goku or Whoever Is The Most Relevant As The Moment (Gohan/Piccolo/Vegeta/etc) but they're always close behind. Tien and Krillin are never Goku level but they still expanded in power absurdly quickly by any means. The post-Raditz power bloat isn't just for Goku, it is for everyone in the series who ever gets into a fight or gets near a fight. Also Android 17 ooooowns. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Apr 16, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 04:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 00:16 |
|
|
AndwhatIseeisme posted:After seeing 17's current level of power after training, can we all take a moment to appreciate how good a scientist Dr. Gero apparently was? Dr Gero created Cell, who has the most OP training powers imaginable. If he just blew himself up a five or six more times he would have unlocked his golden form and become more powerful than Zeno or something.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 04:04
|
|