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Per Sony, the Battlefront 2 story mode will be official Star Wars canon. It takes place immediately following ROTJ and you play as an Imperial SpecOps commander. There are missions where you play as Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren, as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngd2d0wrCj0
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Apr 15, 2017 20:08
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What system is it on? All I have is Nintendo64
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Apr 15, 2017 20:51
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UmOk posted:What system is it on? All I have is Nintendo64 I heard it was going to be an Ouya exclusive.
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Apr 15, 2017 21:03
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Gonz posted:Per Sony, the Battlefront 2 story mode will be official Star Wars canon. It takes place immediately following ROTJ and you play as an Imperial SpecOps commander. There are missions where you play as Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren, as well. "official Star Wars canon" is just a marketing ploy to convince you that what happens in the cut scenes of this generic FPS actually matter.
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Apr 15, 2017 21:50
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Gonz posted:Per Sony, the Battlefront 2 story mode will be official Star Wars canon. It takes place immediately following ROTJ and you play as an Imperial SpecOps commander. There are missions where you play as Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren, as well. Finally, we find out what happened to Dash Rendar.
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Apr 15, 2017 21:53
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Jewmanji posted:"official Star Wars canon" is just a marketing ploy to convince you that what happens in the cut scenes of this generic FPS actually matter. E: Just listened to the Rogue One soundtrack by itself, and still not wild about it. The new themes are actually pretty nice, with the exception of the title theme, but most of the non-thematic stuff feels like the dullest of filler action music. There are some exceptions. The ambient music on Jedha is pretty cool, with a unique sound to it. The two Death Star destruction scenes also stand out, with each having a very different mood - the first more bombastic and the second more elegiac. Lord Hydronium fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 21:54
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Jewmanji posted:"official Star Wars canon" is just a marketing ploy to convince you that what happens in the cut scenes of this generic FPS actually matter. These are the words that summon jivjov.
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Apr 15, 2017 21:56
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Jewmanji posted:"official Star Wars canon" is just a marketing ploy to convince you that what happens in the cut scenes of this generic FPS actually matter. They matter exactly as much as the scenes in each of the live action films do. What exactly that means to you personally can vary.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:05
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Gonz posted:Per Sony, the Battlefront 2 story mode will be official Star Wars canon. It takes place immediately following ROTJ and you play as an Imperial SpecOps commander. There are missions where you play as Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren, as well. loving youtube, I love how right after the amazing Star Wars music it's all SCOOBEH DOOBEH DOO! BOOP BEE BOOP BEE WOO
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Apr 15, 2017 22:06
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dublish posted:These are the words that summon jivjov. jivjov posted:They matter exactly as much as the scenes in each of the live action films do. What exactly that means to you personally can vary. What have you done, Jewmanji?!
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Apr 15, 2017 22:06
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Kart Barfunkel posted:They're not spelling out Luke's whole arc in the teaser. Obviously having him lose his academy and seeing another Sith-y establishment take root is going to take the starch out of your ideology. Surely training Rey is going to involve re-igniting whatever Jedi love he has so he can be a good guy again. I agree. It's a decent story hook. But if they do end up actually going the route of "The Jedi really are bad on a fundamental level and need to go away" then that would be a pretty awful betrayal of what the series stands for. And I still find the fundamental concept behind the new trilogy--that the galaxy is in disarray again essentially because the heroes of the OT hosed up in similar ways to their counterparts in the PT--to be incredibly undermining to the story of the original six, which was a two-part saga about children learning from the mistakes of the previous generation and thereby redeeming their parents. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 22:10
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jivjov posted:They matter exactly as much as the scenes in each of the live action films do. What exactly that means to you personally can vary. I just can't get invested in new canon after all of those bowls of Kellogg's C3PO's I ate as a child were rendered non-canon.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:13
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berserker posted:loving youtube, I love how right after the amazing Star Wars music it's all SCOOBEH DOOBEH DOO! BOOP BEE BOOP BEE WOO It's hilarious. Alternatively, here's the trailer without the skeebop de dada bop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kae-JjbLsgA
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Apr 15, 2017 22:14
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FYI before Luke catches up with Obi-Wan R2 runs off and this happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqDzeVKGgbI
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Apr 15, 2017 22:14
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Cnut the Great posted:I agree. It's a decent story hook. But if they do end up actually going the route of "The Jedi really are bad on a fundamental level and need to go away" then that would be a pretty awful betrayal of what the series stands for. I disagree - if anything I think that "the Jedi are bad" could be done in way consistent with the previous six movies, as long as it doesn't act like the Sith are misunderstood or some poo poo. There's enough in the prequels to support the idea that an institutional Jedi Order is a bad idea, and it's only outwith that order that Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin and Luke succeed.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:21
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Luke: ... And that's how my dad killed the Emperor and Lando blew up the other Death Star. Rey: Wow! Did any Imperial death squads hunt you down after that? Luke: Maybe? I dunno. Who gives a poo poo?
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Apr 15, 2017 22:25
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 If you're telling me that this moment from Shadows of the Empire is no longer canon I no longer wish to live. Just look at it. Tell me that isn't the greatest moment of these, our shared Star Wars. e: UmOk posted:What system is it on? All I have is Nintendo64 ^^^^Let us hope the canon gods are kind to us this day, friend, so you can share in this bounty^^^^ Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 22:30
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21 Muns posted:By the fourth trilogy, the Bad Guys will be making a Death Star knockoff about once per scene. The Death Star Clone Wars
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Apr 15, 2017 22:37
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There's a big hidden secret that a thousand generations ago the Jedi and Sith were totally harmonious but the Jedi double-crossed the Sith in their lust for power, or something similarly dumb.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:49
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cargohills posted:I disagree - if anything I think that "the Jedi are bad" could be done in way consistent with the previous six movies, as long as it doesn't act like the Sith are misunderstood or some poo poo. There's enough in the prequels to support the idea that an institutional Jedi Order is a bad idea, and it's only outwith that order that Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin and Luke succeed. An institutional Jedi Order isn't any more of a bad idea than an institutional democracy. The point of the prequels is that institutions inevitably ossify and become corrupted over time and must periodically go through a process of destruction and renewal. That doesn't mean the Jedi fundamentally shouldn't exist as an institution. Institutions can have their downsides, but there's a reason why they spring up, and it's because they serve a valuable purpose. There's utility in bringing individuals together within an organized structure with standards and guidelines directed towards a unified goal. There's also utility in encouraging individuality and the idea of being willing to challenge institutions when they start to lose their way. I don't know why the choice always has to be between total anarchy and total authoritarianism. Star Wars isn't against organized religion. It's against the bad parts of organized religion.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:54
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Cnut the Great posted:An institutional Jedi Order isn't any more of a bad idea than an institutional democracy. The point of the prequels is that institutions inevitably ossify and become corrupted over time and must periodically go through a process of destruction and renewal. That doesn't mean the Jedi fundamentally shouldn't exist as an institution. Institutions can have their downsides, but there's a reason why they spring up, and it's because they serve a valuable purpose. There's utility in bringing individuals together within an organized structure with standards and guidelines directed towards a unified goal. There's also utility in encouraging individuality and the idea of being willing to challenge institutions when they start to lose their way. I don't know why the choice always has to be between total anarchy and total authoritarianism. I feel like an interpretation of Star Wars that is both against liberal democracy and the Jedi Order isn't too far fetched.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:59
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Cnut the Great posted:Star Wars isn't against organized religion. It's against the bad parts of organized religion. Yeah. GOOD: The Force surrounds us all, binds us together. BAD: You're forbidden to marry and have children.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:00
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Detective No. 27 posted:Yeah. GOOD: The Force surrounds us all, binds us together. BAD: You're forbidden to marry and have children. I don't see why you'd need organised religion for that first one.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:01
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Cnut the Great, do you think there's something to the fact that the Jedi resemble the marriage between the medieval concepts of chivalry and Christianity, which are in contradiction with one another? From the book Sapiens: "... in medieval Europe the nobility believed in both Christianity and chivalry. A typical nobleman went to church in the morning, and listened as the priest held forth on the lives of the saints. "Vanity of vanities" said the priest, "all is vanity. Riches, lust and honor are dangerous temptations. You must rise above them and follow in Christ's footsteps. Be meek like Him, avoid violence and extravagance, and if attacked- just turn the other cheek". Returning home in a meek and pensive mood, the nobleman would change into his best silks and go to a banquet in his lord's castle. There the wine flowed like water, the minstrel sang of Lancelot and Guinevere, and the guests exchanged dirty jokes and bloody war tales. "it is better to die" declared the barons, "than to live with shame. If someone questions your honor, only blood can wipe out the insult. And what is better in life than to see your enemies flee before you, and their pretty daughters tremble at your feet?" The contradiction was never fully resolved. But as the European nobility, clergy, and commoners grappled with it, their culture changed. One attempt to figure it out produced the Crusades". Perhaps in this analogy, Luke isn't being a true heretic and swearing off the Jedi/Christianity, but is merely proposing a new ecumenical mode of thought, akin to something like the pacifist, non-evangelizing Quakers. So he's calling for an end to chivalry/the crusades only.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:04
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This entire discussion just reminds me of KOTOR 2 and how most non-force users didn't give a poo poo about whether the Jedi or Sith are in power, because to them they're both just groups of religious fanatics.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:13
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Whether he would be right or wrong to do so, I don't believe Luke is going to successfully end the Jedi Order, or at least end the concept of Jedi. Disney payed $4 billion for lightsabers, and goddammit you're gonna get lightsabers up the rear end nonstop for the next 50 years.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:24
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Yeah, but you don't need a Jedi Order to have lightsabers and people with force powers.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:25
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General Dog posted:lightsabers up the rear end They're really taking things in a bold new direction
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Apr 15, 2017 23:26
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Roth posted:This entire discussion just reminds me of KOTOR 2 and how most non-force users didn't give a poo poo about whether the Jedi or Sith are in power, because to them they're both just groups of religious fanatics. KotOR 2 is really bad Star Wars, written by people who admitted to only having a pop culture understanding on what Star Wars was actually about.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:34
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sassassin posted:KotOR 2 is really bad Star Wars, written by people who admitted to only having a pop culture understanding on what Star Wars was actually about. And that was where?
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Apr 15, 2017 23:39
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I have as much knowledge of KotOR2 as the writers of KotOR2 are alleged to have about Star Wars, and as a result, my impression of the game is that it's an effective critique of an incorrect interpretation of the main idea.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:52
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KOTOR 2 owned. The bad guy turned out to be the old lady in your party who spend the whole game saying evil poo poo, and her goal is she hates the Force and wants it gone.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:51
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The line is only there so Rey and possibly Like, can use some sick force choke and other violent force powers in the third act. And I can't wait.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:58
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PostNouveau posted:KOTOR 2 owned. The bad guy turned out to be the old lady in your party who spend the whole game saying evil poo poo, and her goal is she hates the Force and wants it gone. It was fun and interesting but apart from superficial elements had little in common with the Star Wars films. As a hot take on KotOR 1 it's fairly insightful.
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Apr 16, 2017 00:37
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Luke went back to the first Jedi temple and seems to have found a book (notably something missing from the series so far). Likely he wants to end the Jedi to correct a mistake that lead to the Jedi/Sith split, probably something to do with the existence of non-Jedi Force traditions.
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Apr 16, 2017 00:40
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Hodgepodge posted:Luke went back to the first Jedi temple and seems to have found a book (notably something missing from the series so far). Likely he wants to end the Jedi to correct a mistake that lead to the Jedi/Sith split, probably something to do with the existence of non-Jedi Force traditions. Which EU novel was this? Was it the planet of witches?
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Apr 16, 2017 00:51
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Cnut the Great posted:I agree. It's a decent story hook. But if they do end up actually going the route of "The Jedi really are bad on a fundamental level and need to go away" then that would be a pretty awful betrayal of what the series stands for. These new movies retroactively ruined the old movies!!!!!! This is the same poo poo people said about the prequels dude.
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Apr 16, 2017 01:44
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Luke's just being whiny, Rey will win him over. When hasn't Luke been whiny?
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Apr 16, 2017 02:09
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Luke's just being whiny, Rey will win him over. Perhaps the same could be said of all force users.
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sassassin posted:KotOR 2 is really bad Star Wars, written by people who admitted to only having a pop culture understanding on what Star Wars was actually about. A pop culture understanding of...pop culture? Isn't a pop-culture understanding of a collection of films kind of exactly what everyone has?
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