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Vince MechMahon posted:Clearly the next movie will have Cypher bringing Cyber Han back as a villain. Same as the trailer song. It loving ruled. I love Bassnectar so that combined with the fight choreography in that scene made me even more hype than Dom's prep montage in 7 set to Deftones' Tempest.
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Charlize Theron owns and Cipher is really well-written: She has the whole "family relations/love/morality is a biological lie and I am above it!" thing that tons of villains have, but she also believes that she has ascended beyond this anyway and can operate on the level of nation-states, super powers, and empires (That she and her organization are interchangeable puts this idea quite nicely). Her entire goal in the film is to bring "accountability" to otherwise unaccountable actors. She is the proverbial crocodile in the watering hole, and plans to put Russia/USA/France/UK/China on notice. In brief, she's Ozymandias meets Agent Smith. She is pretty much the perfect counterpoint to the Family's idealized, globe-trotting, multi-color liberalism. The Family could be agents of revolutionary change, but are happy enough with the status quo of fast cars, expensive villas, and occasionally doing the bidding of the American Deep State if it means getting out of a jam and seeing their family. She loses because she doesn't understand the redemptive power of family.
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The way Theron plays it is perfect, too. The near whisper, level headedness makes the moment when she finally loses it way more powerful. She doesn't even slip that much, she yells once, but it works because she's been so calm the entire time.
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The part on the ice lake is also a flip of Guardians of the Galaxy where now Vin Diesel's friends surround him to save his life.
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My review: The rock does a Samoan dance in a scene that feels like it's from a different Dwayne Johnson movie. I like how Scott Eastwood's character just gets dunked on all the time. There's a Paul Walker shaped hole for sure but when this one popped off it was real good stuff and I'd love a Fnine e: Also I love these movies' ridiculous commitment to always put in a few cameos of past characters. It has such a respect for its characters. NO LISTEN TO ME fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 14, 2017 |
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That movie kicked rear end. My only real issue was the end bit when he named the baby Brian. I mean, yeah, it's the obvious choice, but Brian is still alive, and should've probably been invited to the rooftop party. Since parenthood is such a strong theme in this movie, I'm surprised they didn't give a scene where Dom talks about losing his father and wanting to be there for his kid, leading to him naming the kid after his late dad.
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Friend posted:That movie kicked rear end. My only real issue was the end bit when he named the baby Brian. I mean, yeah, it's the obvious choice, but Brian is still alive, and should've probably been invited to the rooftop party. I feel like the rooftop party was probably done on the fly on the way back to LA. Also Brian's son is named Dominick, so it makes sense.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I feel like the rooftop party was probably done on the fly on the way back to LA. Also Brian's son is named Dominick, so it makes sense. No Brian's son is called Jack, you might be thinking of Vince's son from Five
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I thought it was the third-worst film behind 4 and 2. Some of the sequences were great but I don't know, I thought it was kind of lame compared to a lot of the films. A huge gripe I had was that they're all just kind of cool with Jason Statham after he mass murdered a hospital in the last film. Regarding the ending, I thought naming his son Brian was very predictable and I think it would have been much stronger if he named him Paul.
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Tim Whatley posted:Regarding the ending, I thought naming his son Brian was very predictable and I think it would have been much stronger if he named him Paul.
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The entire series makes no goddamn sense.
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Tim Whatley posted:The entire series makes no goddamn sense.
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Tim Whatley posted:A huge gripe I had was that they're all just kind of cool with Jason Statham after he mass murdered a hospital in the last film. You mean they were cool with the dude that murdered Han and blew up Dom's house with his nephew outside but who cares it's Fast & Furious and F8 owned
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There were a lot of things that dragged down this movie for me, including the stuff mentioned above, but after Elena got tied up and executed to teach a Dom a lessson I was basically checked out until some of the reveals at the end. That was both too grimdark and lazy writing for a series that has given its characters more credit and agency than that poo poo
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:There were a lot of things that dragged down this movie for me, including the stuff mentioned above, but after Elena got tied up and executed to teach a Dom a lessson I was basically checked out until some of the reveals at the end. That was both too grimdark and lazy writing for a series that has given its characters more credit and agency than that poo poo
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:There were a lot of things that dragged down this movie for me, including the stuff mentioned above, but after Elena got tied up and executed to teach a Dom a lessson I was basically checked out until some of the reveals at the end. That was both too grimdark and lazy writing for a series that has given its characters more credit and agency than that poo poo Not sure what credit and agency means but I think that was needed to raise the stakes and yeah if you're going the supervillain route they need to be threatening and do mean stuff
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And I think going the supervillain route was not a good choice. I don't usually like Tropes-type stuff but what happened fit the definition of Fridging to a T except for an actual refrigerator. I get the review that compared this film to the Die Another Day of the series, especially because Cipher feels like a villain straight out of the lower-tier Brosnan bonds. I loved the previous films, even the ones that were jankier, because in between the crazy poo poo the character interaction and banter was just fun to watch and heartfelt. With Fate, the cool parts are still cool, but the rest of the film feels like filler to get to the cool parts in a way that the previous ones never did
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I feel like if they wanted to rehabilitate Deckard Shaw's character, he should have had to die to save the baby or something. The way it is now I still feel uneasy with him being around.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:And I think going the supervillain route was not a good choice. I don't usually like Tropes-type stuff but what happened fit the definition of Fridging to a T except for an actual refrigerator. I get what you mean but at this point the crazy is being upped with each film, it's inevitable and I think Charlize as a bond villain is pretty enjoyable considering. In terms of the banter and character interactions, I thought was fine this time, in particular Tyrese was funny as ever, and Michelle Rodriguez did a great job with her character with all the Dom betrayal and whatnot. The Rock and Statham was fun too despite the awkwardness of his murderous history. The very end still bothered me a little bit no matter what justifications can be made.
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I will say that the most joy I got out of this film is any time the Rock or Jason Statham did anything, especially that sequence that was basically Mile High Club from Modern Warfare except with a baby. I would not be opposed to an Odd Couple-style action spinoff with those two
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I will say that the most joy I got out of this film is any time the Rock or Jason Statham did anything, especially that sequence that was basically Mile High Club from Modern Warfare except with a baby. I would not be opposed to an Odd Couple-style action spinoff with those two It was to the point that the Rock-Statham relationship was by far the most interesting one to watch, where in most of the previous movies the most important relationship was Vin-Paul Walker.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I will say that the most joy I got out of this film is any time the Rock or Jason Statham did anything, especially that sequence that was basically Mile High Club from Modern Warfare except with a baby. I would not be opposed to an Odd Couple-style action spinoff with those two I'd watch the hell out of The Big And The Strongest
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F7 has a Bond villain, complete with attack helicopter, that just doesn't realize he's in a f&f movie. Not sure why another Bond villain is particularly strange.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I will say that the most joy I got out of this film is any time the Rock or Jason Statham did anything, especially that sequence that was basically Mile High Club from Modern Warfare except with a baby. I would not be opposed to an Odd Couple-style action spinoff with those two Supposedly there was a cut scene that was supposed to set up a spin-off involving the two.
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God drat this was hilarious. Remember when they tried to make Jason Statham an intimidating villain? Rageaholic Monkey posted:Have you rewatched them recently? They're faithful as gently caress to the continuity they've established. They bring back loving everyone who even had a minor role in previous movies. Usually in doing so they make even less sense. stev fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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So are the Rock's lines at the end of the movie implying that he's not coming back for 9? Or are they just putting that line in to give them an excuse if he can't come back for 9 for whatever reason?
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:So are the Rock's lines at the end of the movie implying that he's not coming back for 9? Or are they just putting that line in to give them an excuse if he can't come back for 9 for whatever reason? I assumed he will be no longer part of the main cast but might still show up for third act cameos.
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Scyantific posted:Supposedly there was a cut scene that was supposed to set up a spin-off involving the two. Yeah, there were reports that they did a post credits stinger with them officially teaming up but apparently it was done without Diesel's knowledge or something like that and he made them pull it. I kind of felt that this movie suffered a little too much from them trying to make it the Vin Diesel show but every time Statham was on screen he just kind of stole the picture.
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There's beef between Vin and the Rock, right? I remember seeing a tweet that points out there are basically only like a half dozen shots where the two are physically in the same frame
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muscles like this! posted:When it was filming there was news that they were fighting but then it was supposedly fake? No, The Rock has been saying since 5 how much Vin Diesel disappoints him. Their publicists always come out afterwards and say it's nbd, but he keeps saying it.
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Bloomberg did a stats breakdown of the series 1-7 in advance of the new one, and there's interesting trends shown in there, especially when you take into account the changes in directors across the series. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-fast-and-furious/
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I'd love to see a full breakdown of the deaths caused by Dom "Fambly" Toretto and his psychopath friends. Including estimates of how many innocent civvies would definitely have been killed by that safe and the skyscraper incident regardless of how many times they show people not being killed. That pileup in 8 must've killed hundreds at the very least. A lot of broken famblies there. Totally worth it Dom.
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Yeah, it was kind of weird how they specifically showed people in those cars but never really followed up on it in any way.
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Steve2911 posted:That pileup in 8 must've killed hundreds at the very least. A lot of broken famblies there. Totally worth it Dom. 
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I like how they attempted to avoid that in 7 since no one is in downtown LA at night. But that happening in the middle of the day in New York would be catastrophic
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I like how they attempted to avoid that in 7 since no one is in downtown LA at night. But that happening in the middle of the day in New York would be catastrophic Tbf if they were moving a Russian person with the nuclear football they would have locked all of those street's down forever. Before the trip.
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:I feel like if they wanted to rehabilitate Deckard Shaw's character, he should have had to die to save the baby or something. The way it is now I still feel uneasy with him being around. Well he also implied he was framed/thrown under the bus, like the Rock was for the emp at the start. This was the best ff since 5. It rules
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got any sevens posted:Well he also implied he was framed/thrown under the bus, like the Rock was for the emp at the start. Yeah but that's definitely not true.
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Steve2911 posted:Yeah but that's definitely not true. I mean, it very well might be as it regards to whatever made him enemy of the state prior to FF7. But he did definitely murder Han. So
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