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logikv9 posted:is antifa that organized anyway
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i can't believe that the antifa national committee refused to contribute funds to this easy Berkeley protest
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logikv9 posted:i can't believe that the antifa national committee refused to contribute funds to this easy Berkeley protest hahahaha
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lol Standing around Heil-ing like a loving Neanderthal is the same as 'sacking' ok you stupid poo poo.
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Yeah it's really weird how hand-wringers ITT are freaking out when 1. Alt-right bussed in or flew in bunch of people to get their numbers this high 2. Plenty of right-wingers got their asses beat 3. Alt-right claims of victory appear to be because a very small man punched a woman with dreadlocks
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"Rome got totally sacked", the Alaric stated as he stood around in a busy market in central Rome. "We're going after Nola next."
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SunAndSpring posted:Yeah it's really weird how hand-wringers ITT are freaking out when Some people are going to be shaken as long as Trump is still in office. Remember what D&D was like before Trump's incompetence cascade and Milo getting sacked? Suicide watch was a kind word for it. Today hasn't been great, but even if this was a victory for the MAGA-heads, this comes after a long string of defeats for them, up to and including Trump giving the cold shoulder to their boy Bannon. People should not be so worried.
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SunAndSpring posted:Yeah it's really weird how hand-wringers ITT are freaking out when This thread is about the new right's media... And today they just organized a violet political action in the home of American progressivism and won. And yes, they won - they held the streets while Antifas ran away. Unfortunately not every interaction with the alt-right will be as hilarious as Richard Spencer encounters. Maybe the antifas will come out again later tonight and strike while the MAGA men are drunk on victory and bad beer. Or maybe the goon squad will just go home and pat themselves on the back after beating on some kids.
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to be honest people should be calling them out for being safety dickheads Yeah i could wear full hockey gear but now that wouldnt be sporting would it.
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Symbolic victories matter, because people really around symbols. I'll agree with wiki, antifa dropped the ball. If they had won, they could have retroactively justified themselves against the Milo stuff. Now that they lost, they're doomed. A good copy of cable street would have broken the illusion of 'strength' that fascists need to operate. This demonstrates the failure of the anarchist model - distributed resistance cannot meet organized reaction toe-to-toe. The anarchist phobia of central planning, or at the very least a loose command structure, means they lost to people who were willing to deploy resources to get what they want. If the fascists bussed in their guys, antifa should have bussed in allies to win. rudatron has issued a correction as of 01:00 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:Symbolic victories matter, because people really around symbols. antifas is also a mindset friend. I didnt get a membership card or a ticket to Berkeley. chances are id go and get royally hosed up, but eh.
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Then it's a stupid mindset that can't win. Politics isn't about 'mindests' as the end goal, is about getting things. It's an instrument. If all antifa has is a name and a code or whatever, then it's worthless trash. You need an organizational structure, to solve the collective action problem, otherwise poo poo like this will happen. If Trump guys came from all over the country, why couldn't antifa? Nothing's stopping them.
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sneakyfrog posted:antifas is also a mindset friend.
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Antifa tactics are too predictable. They need to be more weird. Something like showing up in MAGA gear and selling whole milk to all the supremacists that has a shitload of ipecac in it.
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This entire Berkeley situation was caused by Milo, and the subsequent "battles of Berkeley" were all promoted by alt-right media figures like Gavin McInnes and Lauren Southern. Combined, all these far-right media figures reach millions of people, and were able to organize through twitter, youtube, reddit, and 4chan. Where are the left-wing version of McInnes or Southern? And please don't say Chapo... E: Important note: Despite reaching millions of people the best the alt-right could muster were a couple hundred sad brains. If the left had any ability to organize resistence they would have kicked their rear end today. Montasque has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:Then it's a stupid mindset that can't win. Politics isn't about 'mindests' as the end goal, is about getting things. It's an instrument. If all antifa has is a name and a code or whatever, then it's worthless trash. You need an organizational structure, to solve the collective action problem, otherwise poo poo like this will happen. Maybe because almost no one heard about this protest before it happened, and most of the people who cared were already alt-right fanatics? The only reason this even made the news is the violence. Try the same thing in NYC, Chicago, LA, Seattle, or any city worthy of the name, with publicity to match. I guarantee you the results would be reversed.
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TheBalor posted:Some people are going to be shaken as long as Trump is still in office. Remember what D&D was like before Trump's incompetence cascade and Milo getting sacked? Suicide watch was a kind word for it. here is why i am not worried as much as i should be. the maga dipshits are a bunch off shallow idiots without a real leader to unite them, the only thing that sorta keeps them from fighting each other is "trolling" the left and trump and trump might be on the way out as their god. there is not hitler type figure of this movement for them to rally around. just a bunch dumb con man assholes and edgelord sociopaths. -
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Darkman Fanpage posted:it wasnt a leftist thay shot another leftist it was some alt-right dweeb. gently caress off back to gip.
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I hope maga cosplayers are all murdered with bladed weapons
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Wikkheiser posted:Antifa Mindset by Mike Bakuninvich I was told there wasnt homework in this thread
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Montasque posted:Important note: Despite reaching millions of people the best the alt-right could muster were a couple hundred sad brains. If the left had any ability to organize resistence they would have kicked their rear end today. then The Left needs to develop that ability like ASAP.
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All of this kvetching about black bloc failing to protect Berkeley from the presence of proud boys is stupid as Hell. Democrats spent the day demanding to see Trump's tax returns while the WH and media are agitating for three different wars at once. It's not the left that's doomed, lmao. If you can't deal with losing once then just quit already. Political struggle involves a long string of defeats, and the Left has NEVER won in the United States.
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Just saw the videos. Jesus christ you americans have street brawl between antifa and guys dressed as frogs and gladiators.
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Also the Nazi manlet who punched that woman is named Nathan Damigo. https://itsgoingdown.org/nathan-damigo-exposed-identity-evropa-leader-operating-csu-stanislaus/ He's the leader of a group called Identity Evropa. loving Iberians.
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Mordekai posted:Just saw the videos. Jesus christ you americans have street brawl between antifa and guys dressed as frogs and gladiators. don't judge us
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Mordekai posted:Just saw the videos. Jesus christ you americans have street brawl between antifa and guys dressed as frogs and gladiators. Pretty soon there'll be furries on both sides, I reckon. Get ready for a wild ride!
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What was the gladiators (for lack of a better term) protesting? Or doing in Berkeley?
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Mordekai posted:What was the gladiators (for lack of a better term) protesting? Or doing in Berkeley? They were protesting "Free Speech". But in reality they just wanted to have a LARP fight that pitted cosplay nazis and gladiators vs cosplay anarchist revolutionaries.
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The biggest hurdle to getting anything done, is getting your guys to show up. People are self interested and fearful, most won't join a cause that looks like it's losing. Conversely, they're more likely to join a cause that's winning, or has a good chance of winning. That's the value of symbolic victories. That's why they matter. Because they give that impression. You can make whatever excuses you want, the fact that the nazis have a large media apparatus, and have just scored a legitimate victory, means that they next time this happens, there won't be 100, they'll be 300, or a 1000. Because more of their guys will be willing to show up, and less of your guys will. They'll find something else, they'll keep looking for fights, until they a) lose, big, in a direct confrontation. b) achieve their goals (lots of death + genocide and poo poo). From this, it's clear that antifa cannot provide effective resistance to them, they don't have the courage, strength or organization to defeat them. What other left organization can? The Communists could have, but they're not around anymore.
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IMO in a situation like this, why not let them march? The result will be them standing around with their thumbs up their butts.
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Well, when people start normalising street violence, I guess its the way it goes.
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is it really so wrong to have LARP fights in the streets between cosplay nazis and cosplay anarchists?
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rudatron posted:The biggest hurdle to getting anything done, is getting your guys to show up. People are self interested and fearful, most won't join a cause that looks like it's losing. Conversely, they're more likely to join a cause that's winning, or has a good chance of winning. a girl got punched in the face and then some fatguy in an oversized sweatshirt said they were going to lay siege to seattle
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Mordekai posted:Just saw the videos. Jesus christ you americans have street brawl between antifa and guys dressed as frogs and gladiators. get on our level
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rudatron posted:The biggest hurdle to getting anything done, is getting your guys to show up. People are self interested and fearful, most won't join a cause that looks like it's losing. Conversely, they're more likely yup join a cause that's winning, or has a good chance of winning. To your point - the regular far-right echo chambers are in rapture over this. I could easily see more joining the Proud Boys, or groups like it, and showing up to future 'protests'. The Proud Boys are culturally much more in line with the 4chan/Reddit "doing it for the lulz" mindset, and are not race exclusive. This means all those brown and SE Asian dudes who love Lauren Southern have a fascist gang to join.
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rudatron posted:The biggest hurdle to getting anything done, is getting your guys to show up. People are self interested and fearful, most won't join a cause that looks like it's losing. Conversely, they're more likely to join a cause that's winning, or has a good chance of winning. Holy poo poo lol. You sound like you're playing Axis & Allies.
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Axis & Allies owns
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