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Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Yeah but you're forgetting how much better P4G's opening is than regular Persona 4

okay, bye

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darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?
wasn't she scrapped as a character at like, the very early design stage? that would make it less "shogi chunni isn't cool enough to be a party member" and more "we took this girl with that one japanese haircut we by law have to have in this game and made her a shogi chunni player instead of a party member"

Endorph posted:

anyway here's an effort post about the opening animes for this game and vanilla persona 4:

this is all pretty much true but here's a counterpoint

the P5 intro worked way way better as a trailer to build hype for the game than the P4 intro did. That and the casino intro made me go from "oh is P5 finally coming out? cool whatever" to "TAKE ALL MY MONEY' in the span of maybe 15 seconds, fortified by the rest of the Totally Wack and Crazy poo poo that trailer showed. That video got millions of views on youtube and I was probably at least 1% of those, give or take.

meanwhile when I first saw that p4 intro I was like "well this is pretty cool I guess, can't wait for that to come out" and went back to playing FES without really thinking about it for another year or so

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
I feel the Persona 4 Golden intro sacrifices a lot of the thematic energy into stylistic but repetitive patterns. It's fine

Shadow World is a good song, but I think I actually like the Dancing All Night op song and maybe even the anime's first op song better

Sky's The Limit is good

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

darealkooky posted:

wasn't she scrapped as a character at like, the very early design stage? that would make it less "shogi chunni isn't cool enough to be a party member" and more "we took this girl with that one japanese haircut we by law have to have in this game and made her a shogi chunni player instead of a party member'
not really, they mentioned outright choosing between haru and her as opposed to just going 'okay she isn't going to be a party member actually,' which implies it was a little later in development when they were mapping out the story proper, as opposed to just who the cast would be. the fact that the choice was between her and haru specifically as opposed to her vs any other possible character that could exist in that slot implies they had mapped out the story with both haru and her and realized that they were the two most expendable characters and so one of them needed to be cut.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Moltrey posted:

I feel the Persona 4 Golden intro sacrifices a lot of the thematic energy into stylistic but repetitive patterns. It's fine

Shadow World is a good song, but I think I actually like the Dancing All Night op song and maybe even the anime's first op song better

Sky's The Limit is good
Hear me out: Maze of Life is the best OP song

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
okay, never mind, the dancing all night opening is rad. You have Kanji break dancing, Naoto absolutely vogue-ing her loving brains out, Yukiko and Chie butt bumping and Rise doing a sick body slide like she's a libero in volleyball

okay holy gently caress yosuke just did a death drop, this op loving kicks rear end

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
river in the desert is maybe the best song

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
dude the animations for psychic spells are so good, and the severe/ultimate ones (shiva gets them at least) are the best ones

I feel like I'm blasting demons w/ a lisa frank trapper keeper

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Endorph posted:

not really, they mentioned outright choosing between haru and her as opposed to just going 'okay she isn't going to be a party member actually,' which implies it was a little later in development when they were mapping out the story proper, as opposed to just who the cast would be. the fact that the choice was between her and haru specifically as opposed to her vs any other possible character that could exist in that slot implies they had mapped out the story with both haru and her and realized that they were the two most expendable characters and so one of them needed to be cut.

So if Hifumi is Best Girl.

And Haru was chosen over her.

Does that make Haru Greatest Girl?

Okay, Haru is Greatest Girl, it's canon now.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Oh wow vegetables are pretty powerful.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
im honestly going to die watching yosuke's death drop, this is insane

Harlock posted:

Hear me out: Maze of Life is the best OP song
I don't exactly agree, but it's a great choice

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Electric Phantasm posted:

Oh wow vegetables are pretty powerful.

Yeah, they're essentially max level Curry/Coffee. But with basically zero effort involved in unlocking them, and zero time used.

It's fun.

Vanilla Mint Ice
Jul 17, 2007

A raccoon is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.
Eat your veggies and go to bed early, powerful life advice from your friends at atlas

Lakbay
Dec 14, 2006

My eye...MY EYE!!!

wizard on a water slide posted:

dude the animations for psychic spells are so good, and the severe/ultimate ones (shiva gets them at least) are the best ones

The bufu animations are my favorite

Also I beat the game and

uncurable mlady posted:

river in the desert is maybe the best song

Vanilla Mint Ice
Jul 17, 2007

A raccoon is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.
Please die? is actually the best spell animation

davidHalestorm
Aug 5, 2009

Harlock posted:

Yeah but you're forgetting how much better P4G's opening is than regular Persona 4

okay, bye

I like the P4G opening that someone edited Crazy Noisy Bizarre Town into it. I know it's an overused joke at this point, but it still tickles me.

Edit

Speaking of music, the home shopping channel not having that jingle is bullshit

davidHalestorm fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Apr 16, 2017

FauxLeather
Nov 7, 2016

Um Bongo
Endgame spoilers Man I was really hoping I could fuse a strong demon of some great capacity, the highest level one I had at the end of the game was roughly level 69. Metatron's weakneses are awful but it's motherfuckin Metatron and I wanted that boy on my bench. I guess that's to be left for NG+.

I'm such a sucker for that final scene with the whole city cheering, rising the Phan-site percentage. The same kind of culmination of energy thing that makes me think of Spiral Power. Moments like that are so cool they make me wanna tear my shirt off and pound my chest.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

Supremezero posted:

So if Hifumi is Best Girl.

And Haru was chosen over her.

Does that make Haru Greatest Girl?

Okay, Haru is Greatest Girl, it's canon now.



After Haru's dungeon she's the one that texted me to hang in there.

Greatest Girl.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
Where's Tanaka, I don't feel like these new salesmen are properly emphasizing how wonderful these items I can buy on Sunday are.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Captain Oblivious posted:

Does Arms Master work on gun skills

this was on last page, but YES, my yoshitsune has arms master and OSK

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

FauxLeather posted:

Endgame spoilers Man I was really hoping I could fuse a strong demon of some great capacity, the highest level one I had at the end of the game was roughly level 69. Metatron's weakneses are awful but it's motherfuckin Metatron and I wanted that boy on my bench. I guess that's to be left for NG+.

I'm such a sucker for that final scene with the whole city cheering, rising the Phan-site percentage. The same kind of culmination of energy thing that makes me think of Spiral Power. Moments like that are so cool they make me wanna tear my shirt off and pound my chest.



get strength 10 and pay to win, my friend, i was hanging with my pal Satan while i was level 55 or so.


Don Gato posted:

Where's Tanaka, I don't feel like these new salesmen are properly emphasizing how wonderful these items I can buy on Sunday are.

explore everywhere... check every shop... and if you pray with all of your heart, he may return to this land.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Caidin posted:

Okay, so huge spoilers for 12/24 and I guess persona 4 if anyone cares about that and um, hmmmm...

Okay, so the baddie is the demiurge again who was proactive enough to jack the velvet room from Igor so he could steer the protag into being a piece in his game, a game that is exceedingly reminiscent of Izanami's right down to the bit where your opposite number is psychotic police detective and that they're rigging the whole thing to the answer they like.

He proceeds to then operate the Velvet Room exactly as usual, even ignoring the strength social link which seems like it was coming dangerously close to blowing the whole scheme early. When he decides to have you killed toward the end he decides to give you another chance because how impressive you looked while you stood around when the twins guillotined themselves back together and explained the plot point. Also the entirety of Tokyo if not Japan decided that the gang of thieves that jacked every TV in the nation a week or so ago were poo poo That Didn't Happen so hard it nearly wiped you from existence.


Do I have that right?

Well, it seems slightly more complicated than that:


So the Holy Grail has been growing more and more powerful in the depths of Mementos for an unspecified period of time. At some point well before the game's start it was materialized out of some conglomeration of human desires. It may very well have been simply the Treasure of Mementos; that is to say, the embodiment of all of mankind's desires. It has become distorted, presumably because of how sick modern society has become. Enough toxic desires have polluted the collective unconscious. The Holy Grail is a concept, this dream of some magical solution to everyone's problem, it's that golden goodie that you keep thinking you're going to attain so long as you get this next promotion or pass this next test or...beat out this competitor or...sabotage this person's project or...

So over time, the increasingly toxic levels of societal trouble, as we see represented by the Palace-owners we face, have poisoned this concept of a "reward" that awaits you, the Holy Grail. It has become sentient, and steadily starts enslaving human shadows in the depths of Mementos, growing powerful.

Kamoshida, Madarame, and all the others whom you face, were normal shadows who experience a sudden strength of will, and broke free of the Holy Grail's grasp. Their own individual treasures were more appealing to them than the collective treasure the Grail represented.

It appears, though I'm not entirely sure why, that the Grail wanted to bring these Shadows back under its thrall. At the same time, it also gave Akechi his power, which actually served to help strengthen Shido's shadow. It seems that if Shido had gotten elected, the Holy Grail would have been satisfied with that outcome, and likely...I dunno, gone dormant or something? The Grail says as much.

However, it seems that it has taken Igor's form in order to manipulate you into taking down the Shadows that escaped its clutches. For whatever reason it decides that it must test the worth of mankind, and so pits you into a rigged game while you're already doing its dirty work. The Grail grows more powerful, and gains more of a hold over the people, the longer in the game you go on. By the time your group has become public enemy number one, the population has become jaded enough for the Grail to really take hold. That's why, by the time you defeat Shido, the general public is utterly apathetic. This is because their Shadows have been effectively consumed by the Holy Grail.

Remember Persona 3? We know the result of a Shadow consuming a human being's cognitive self, be it Persona or Shadow, is to induce a braindead, comatose state. It was called Apathy Syndrome then; we see it here reflected on a societal level. It is that apathy that the Holy Grail wants; apparently mindless consumerism is its ultimate goal.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

wizard on a water slide posted:

dude the animations for psychic spells are so good, and the severe/ultimate ones (shiva gets them at least) are the best ones

I feel like I'm blasting demons w/ a lisa frank trapper keeper

To me it always felt like I was blasting my enemies with concentrated Persona 4 Golden intros.

NRVNQSR
Mar 1, 2009

FauxLeather posted:

Endgame spoilers Man I was really hoping I could fuse a strong demon of some great capacity, the highest level one I had at the end of the game was roughly level 69. Metatron's weakneses are awful but it's motherfuckin Metatron and I wanted that boy on my bench. I guess that's to be left for NG+.

I'm such a sucker for that final scene with the whole city cheering, rising the Phan-site percentage. The same kind of culmination of energy thing that makes me think of Spiral Power. Moments like that are so cool they make me wanna tear my shirt off and pound my chest.


Should've maxed Strength. I can only imagine the final dungeon denizens reacting to my level ~60 party, then BOOM, level 99 Satan right in their face.

Since every recent Persona game has had the "everyone's thoughts coming together to give you power against the final boss" thing I was actually much more affected by the quiet scenes later of all your maxed confidants doing whatever they could to get you cleared of your false charges. All of those were amazing.

At least, all the ones I got were amazing. I didn't finish Chihaya or Shinya's confidants, and to be honest I wouldn't be expecting much from either of them.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Late Makoto link

Yelled "oh poo poo!" when she slapped her friend.

Best girl.

Meiteron
Apr 4, 2008

Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!

Harlock posted:

Late Makoto link

Yelled "oh poo poo!" when she slapped her friend.

Best girl.

For me the moment was when the scumbag host called Makoto's friend "Makoto" because she had rightly figured out he doesn't memorize names and texted him herself five minutes before the meeting to throw him off.

I like that Makoto is not only stated to be the smartest one in the group but gets like a dozen distinct points in the game where she actually demonstrates said cleverness in interesting ways.

also the motorcycle I like that a lot

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
the loading screen during the school trip is dope

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
also the ryuji hype montage

TheLoser
Apr 1, 2011

You make my korokoro go dokidoki.

Harlock posted:

Late Makoto link

Yelled "oh poo poo!" when she slapped her friend.

Best girl.

It's a shame she never clocked that scumbag host.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
WAIT THATS WHERE TANAKA WAS HIDING THE WHOLE TIME?

Lakbay
Dec 14, 2006

My eye...MY EYE!!!
Woops I missed the harem ending because I didn't respond to anyone but the ensuing scene was funny

OH WAIT

Pigbottom
Sep 23, 2007

Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.
I'm just done with the game after 123 hours. It's really something special, although it made me rage more than even dark souls at some points. It has some really weird design decisions but the attention to detail and the awesome soundtrack and art more than makes up for it .

Ann is muh waifu, Futaba is muh bestie and Riuji is a retard.

I'll miss my anime friends. :negative:

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Well, it seems slightly more complicated than that:


Remember Persona 3? We know the result of a Shadow consuming a human being's cognitive self, be it Persona or Shadow, is to induce a braindead, comatose state. It was called Apathy Syndrome then; we see it here reflected on a societal level. It is that apathy that the Holy Grail wants; apparently mindless consumerism is its ultimate goal.


It's less consumerism, and more absolute control. Befitting its name, Yaldabaoth is directly in parallel of the forces of Law, and YHVH Himself from the mainline SMT games, up to and including having the four archangels under its direct control. To it, any deviation from perfect order is a flaw in the very fabric of reality, to be corrected with extreme prejudice. It won't be satisfied until humanity is mindlessly obedient. Its whole "The sin of rebelling against a god is severe. As punishment, you shall taste pain everlasting." is a direct callback to SMT II, where YHVH says almost exactly the same thing after you defeat Him.

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003
Where do you find Ryuji outside of school? Arcade, but where is that exactly?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

PirateBob posted:

Where do you find Ryuji outside of school? Arcade, but where is that exactly?

central street in shibuya

Instant Grat
Jul 31, 2009

Just add
NERD RAAAAAAGE

Instant Grat posted:

It's cool how the game just won't let you go to Mementos throughout the entire month of October

I was joking, but wow, this is really just 20 straight days where I can't remove the road blocks to these slinks, isn't it

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
alright so where does the game go now after the Adechi plot twist, the boat heist, and Senator Armshido? There's no way it could possibly top those.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
hah, gently caress (endgame spoilers) I just realized that Goro is extremely SMT 1's Law Hero, like almost down to the hair style. Both being strung along in a sense by a higher power and wanting to change the world through forcible means as well as leavint the party and having a second form that you fight

Meiteron
Apr 4, 2008

Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!

Pigbottom posted:

I'll miss my anime friends. :negative:

I'm not through the whole game yet but just lol if you think they're not going to be making a billion spinoffs in every possible media format in the years to come.

I think our anime friends will be around for a long time :unsmith: we'll probably all be sick of them just in time for Persona 6.

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Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Saigyouji posted:

It's less consumerism, and more absolute control. Befitting its name, Yaldabaoth is directly in parallel of the forces of Law, and YHVH Himself from the mainline SMT games, up to and including having the four archangels under its direct control. To it, any deviation from perfect order is a flaw in the very fabric of reality, to be corrected with extreme prejudice. It won't be satisfied until humanity is mindlessly obedient. Its whole "The sin of rebelling against a god is severe. As punishment, you shall taste pain everlasting." is a direct callback to SMT II, where YHVH says almost exactly the same thing after you defeat Him.

Actually, going by Strange Journey and SMT IV (which don't necessarily have the same logic as Persona, granted), Yaldabaoth (called the Demiurge there) is actually a part of YHVH to begin with. Specifically, going by main series SMT ideas, he's a fragment representing God's desire to be obeyed. Which... pretty much explains Yaldabaoth's entire motive right there. He wants everyone to worship him, and absolutely nothing else. I suppose when you get down to it, he's the thing that drives all of YHVH's asshattery, since it always seems to boil down to "Worship me mindlessly or else", which is the Demiurge's entire deal. Persona 5 just happened to be the game that put Demiurge front and center.

Hmm. With Strange Journey being remade, and Demiurge being the ultimate bonus boss of the game, I wonder if they'll give Persona 5 a nod.

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