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Can we get a little more info about the location of the Angola mission? If it's deep inland (and we go there) then a P-3 won't be hugely useful, but if we're gonna be doing more I think we should figure out where we're going before anybody puts too much thought into procurement packages. We need to get the right tools for the job. In that vein, I'm voting Angola, let's get away from China for a while. Also, If you're not reading Phi230's descent into madness, you really should be.
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Angola should be where we go to next. Could give us opportunities to continue using the SK-60s. And for procurement: We need at least 1 Gripen to replace losses. And for additions, we could use a couple Tornados (30M version) for multi-purpose platform that can be used for SEAD/Wild Weasel purposes. 1x Gripen (70M) Replace losses 6x F-4E Phantom IIs (90M) Air-Superiority and/or bomb-trucks 6x Tornado (180M) Effectively Gripens with the addition of being able to carry AGM-88 HARMs for SEAD/WW That brings aircraft procurement to 340M, which leaves 194M-ish for ADA/SAM/Support aircraft. Otherwise, I don't really care about the ADA/SAMs. Prowlers might be a bit too old for heavy EW use. edit for the rest of the procurement. CoffeeQaddaffi fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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I still want to try to make the world better, not actively worse, and setting fully loaded tankers on fire will make things worse. Angola. As for our buy... To Start: $534,012,376.00 (534M) JAS 39C Gripen (70M) x 1 = 70M (To replace losses) Mirage 2000H India (35M) x 4 = 140M (People here like Mirages; good for Strike) F-4E Greek (15M) x 6 = 90M (To make a full squadron of Phantoms; good for Strike and CAP [AMRAAMs]) Tornado (30M) x 4 = 120M (For Strike and SEAD) SIDAM (5M) x 4 + ASRAD (10M) x4 = 60M (because as this showed, you can't be too careful with grounded aircraft) Total Spent = 480M
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Davin you know full well that if we go to Africa we're gonna end up as CAS for whoever the genocidal dictator du jour is. Time to head out for the Bering Sea. We'd drat well better get to be eco-terrorists now 
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Crazycryodude posted:Davin you know full well that if we go to Africa we're gonna end up as CAS for whoever the genocidal dictator du jour is. Since we get to pick sides, maybe we can drop bombs on the dictator?  And you can totally be an ecoterrorist in Africa! Enforce anti-poaching regulations with the guns of an SK 60B!
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Hold on! Planes and procurement first. I'll do an effort post on deployment once I've got the theaters ready to go. Now that I can import the entirety of an area the AOO's will be very, very detailed. Edit : Welp, cracking a beer and doing some deployment effort post work!
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Procurement plan "Head West Young Goon": Gonna quote myself here: power crystals posted:For future aircraft purchases I'd say our priorities should be, in order: I'm gonna strike #5 because we don't have quite enough money to spend on deliberately flipping off the planet yet. In due time... So with that aside,
With the second vendor surcharge, this should be $516M. Let me know if I made any math errors (totally unheard of, yesiree) or if you think I've made a terrible mistake in my reasoning!
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). More aircraft in that vein would be great - something that goes fast and can carry a ridiculous amount of ordnance. I saw someone suggest F111s earlier which would also be amazing, but if any still exist they'd probably require a shitload of maintenance cost. Swing-wings aren't cheap.
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Davin Valkri posted:I still want to try to make the world better, not actively worse, and setting fully loaded tankers on fire will make things worse. Angola. I mostly like this, but replace the Mirages with 2 more Tornados and save the extra $80M for rainy day / ordnance / etc.
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China's reach is long, they're ramping up their involvement and investment on the African continent and if they get wind that we're operating there then I bet they'd find a way to kick over our sandcastle. The Bering Sea on the other hand is not quite on the other side of the ocean, and while we've embarrassed them I doubt we rate dispatching a carrier group to 'protect shipping'. Yet. Also for personal reasons I would vote Bering Sea. Plus, the weather out there will be completely insane which will make missions a hoot. Maybe you will be stationed on the Pribilofs and get to dodge puffins on takeoff into gales. We'll probably want the P3 Orion, and the KC-135 because we'll be operating over water so much. For other offerings, there is a quartet of Mirage 2000's from K&P. Those are pretty good planes, right? Or, get all 12 of the Etendard's for roughly the same price and when I read wikipedia they each carry one Exocet ~450nm.
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Procurement Plan: Red Viking Klaus & Pedersen: (1) JAS 39C Gripen (4) Tornado (6) F4-E Phantom Greek Total = $280 Million Ivanov Brothers: (4) SU-24 Fencer B (2) SU-25SM Frogfoot (1) IL-76 Tanker Total = $148 Million + $29.6 Million (Change of Supplier Fee) = $177.6 Million Total = $457.6 Million Popete fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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So are we supposed to be voting for the next theater or not yet? Because it seems like not yet, but I don't want to be waiting and then not get my vote in.
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Not yet, Yooper's gonna flesh them out before we start voting. You should totally vote for the Bering Sea though
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Africa should be a nice breather and after what our frogfoots did I am tempted to go with the Russians this time although we should prob get more Gripens instead 
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Thefluffy posted:Africa should be a nice breather and after what our frogfoots did I am tempted to go with the Russians this time although we should prob get more Gripens instead I'm all about getting some SU-27s but the %20 tax on changing suppliers would really hurt. It's best we stick primarily with Euro stuff and have Russian stuff as a smaller chunk of our buy cost to be most cost effective.
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Popete posted:I'm all about getting some SU-27s but the %20 tax on changing suppliers would really hurt. It's best we stick primarily with Euro stuff and have Russian stuff as a smaller chunk of our buy cost to be most cost effective. Su-27s are pretty much straight outclassed by the Gripens in the air-to-air role, mostly thanks to the Meteor missiles, with the main exception of number of missiles carried. I really do feel (as in my proposal) that we're best served with a "Gripens First" fleet where everything else exists to let the Gripens shove Meteors into the faces of things we don't like.
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power crystals posted:Su-27s are pretty much straight outclassed by the Gripens in the air-to-air role, mostly thanks to the Meteor missiles, with the main exception of number of missiles carried. I really do feel (as in my proposal) that we're best served with a "Gripens First" fleet where everything else exists to let the Gripens shove Meteors into the faces of things we don't like. Alternately, a fleet where the Gripens shove Meteors into anything we don't like which lets everybody else do their business with giant bombs.
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i think we should stick with euro gear. The frogfoots did good, but i think their best left as opportunity buys rather than something to eat that 20% tax when we could get more gripens and tornadoes. also go sk60s. those guys have sealed themselves a role as being helpful AND expendable!
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 Angola Africa is a harsh place where no one gives two shits, least of all those who call it home. Angola is in a special sort of hell right now. All over lithium. This shiny little metal does more than medicate your aunt, it is the driving force in every single battery on the planet. Namibia has diamonds. Angola now has lithium. The center of the country has the majority of it, it's deep, expensive to reach, but lucrative to those who control it. And everyone wants to control it. On one side we have Delvanio Dos Santos, nephew of the previous president, he is in the center of the country and has used his massive lithium earnings to bulk up his military. In the South is an odd man, Count Vidas Von Hoff, an idealist and humanitarian. Finally in the North is the fedora wearing, steampunk goggled, dream of the internet. The Free State.  Delvanio Dos Santos came to power when his uncle, Jose dos Santos, passed away. What followed was the usual cycle of purges and violence but this was all stopped when the deep lithium deposits were discovered. Delvanio suddenly took on a very calculating, very deliberate stance. Instead of a poor African nation he has dreams of a nation unlike any scene in modern Africa. Now he has the budget to do it. Charismatic, calculating, and violent.  Count Vidas Von Hoff hails from a different age. He fought with the French at Bien Dien Phu and saw the horrors of war. He was a UN special ambassador to the Khmer Rouge and spent four years in a Cambodian prison camp for his efforts. After that he ran humanitarian aid into Rhodesia. An incurable idealist and a man who wants to see a true African democracy. This is his last chance before old age takes him away. Don't think him soft. The Count is as violent as they come, when the need arises. He's captured the eye of the world, and the focus is firmly on Angola and his desire for a proper democracy.  The Free State. Imagine if /r/bitcoin, every libertarian, that one Ron Paul supporter, and that dude in a Fedora with steampunk goggles started a country. They have crazy ideals, even crazier plans, and to top it off, a Kickstarter campaign honed to a diamond sharpness. They see Angola as the chance to prove out every theory on how to actually run a country, the way "they" think it should be. All they need to do is claim that lithium and they have an opportunity to create a new African nation built upon the greatest ideals of the internet. Flush with cash, ideas, and a will to conquer, but they totally lack any military strength. They've only gotten as far as they have because of mercenaries, mercs who recently departed.  The Bering Sea Cold. Wet. Filled with fish. That is the draw of the Bering Sea. Beyond that it's the gateway to the artic. Recently a US Carrier Group held these waters to protect the natural gas tankers. But now the new Alaskan Pipeline is up and running that carrier is gone. Before the sea kept the hostiles apart, now they're close enough to fist-fight.  Mitsuhashi. The Japanese salaryman is at the core of the Mitsuhashi work ethic. Through a landmark WTO case they secured the rights to fish in, and above, the Bering sea. They have sushi. Tuna. Crab. Whale. Every loving thing in the sea. They grind it up and sell it to the world. Japan's economy is still in a funk, and Mitsuhashi has broken free of that. They will not, under any circumstances, let this opportunity go. Now that the Carrier Group is gone they plan on securing the straits and reaping the rewards. Their fleet of automated processing ships are the largest in the world.  Iceberg Fresh Fish gives no fucks. They lost it all thinking the US Government was going to go to bat for them. Instead congress couldn't decide which side of their pants to piss down. So Iceberg is left holding the loving bag. The Board of Iceberg is not happy. When the Great Chicken Crash of 2021 happened all those Chicken magnates dumped every cent into Iceberg. These people aren't going down without a fight. For them it's more than fish, it's the American ideal to protect the great outdoors and strip it of every usable calorie.  AngerPEACE is not happy. They haven't been happy since Greenpeace refused to torpedo Japanese whaling vessels. They haven't been happy since someone ate meat. They haven't been happy since anyone is allowed to fish. Beyond that they're pissed at the petroleum industry for loving up the arctic. Again. For them it's more than saving the whales, it's saving the world, by hitting capitalism where it hurts, in the loving wallet. Make no mistake, this is straight up unsanctioned piracy. Everyone is going to shoot at whoever takes this job. But on the plus side the Bering Sea is full of targets. There are our theaters of operation Hired Goons. I'd still like to do procurement first, but now you know where our forces may operate.
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... Gentlemen. Gentlemen. I've think we've found our newest employer.
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Man, we need to head to Angola and we need to give the Free State every single swirly possible. Like, hell, I'd shoot those guys for free.
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Oh man, I want to help out Count von Hoff, but saving the planet is more important. If he can just hold on until we can save the whales from extinction he's got my full support, but poo poo I feel kinda bad. Still, the work we do in the Bering Sea will be a positive force for millenia. Africa is, unfortunately, the kind of thing that'll sort itself in a century or two with lots of suffering in between. The biosphere is the kind of thing that will sort itself out never, but with the suffering all the same. Also, nuke the Free State. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Davin Valkri posted:I still want to try to make the world better, not actively worse, and setting fully loaded tankers on fire will make things worse. Angola. I like this but I'm thinking drop the Mirages and pick up the KC-135 and Prowler
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Night10194 posted:Man, we need to head to Angola and we need to give the Free State every single swirly possible. Count von Hoff would pay us to do it. Bonus points. Please tell me he's actually an idealist, and not a senile old man who will let his dipshit son/nephew/[insert younger relation here] screw up everything.
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Dr. Snark posted:... Employer? I think you mean target of opportunity. Seriously, I don't care if you end up flying fish from Maine to Moscow, no matter what you do you gotta bomb the gently caress out of them on the way. They're rich, they have no protection and good god look at them. Look at them! Besides, you know if you flew for them they'd try to pull a fast one, no matter how dumb it would be. NewMars fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Yeah, let's work for Von Hoff and dropnapalm and White Phosphorous rockets on The Free State.
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This is going to come as no surprise but I say we sign on with Angerpeace and enforce sustainable fishing practices the only way we know how. Through air strikes.
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Procurement: Plane It Again, SAM ASRAD 4x = $40m SIDAM 4x = $20m JAS 39C Gripen 3x = $210m F-4E Greek 6x = $90m Mirage 2000H (India) 2x = $70m KC-135 1x39x1.2 = $46.8m Total: 476.8 million Remember that the markup is only on the minority supplier, not the total purchase. We can get the tanker from Ford, Lincoln, and Military, and get everything else from good ol' Klaus and Pedersen at list price.
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NewMars posted:Employer? I think you mean target of opportunity. Come on man. Look at them. They've got nothing aside from mercs-they would pay through the loving nose for any kind of support. Besides our two groups really aren't that different-both us and the Free State have/are pissing off power blocs far more dangerous than ourselves. Not to mention that these guys seem like they're as stupidly (and I'd like to emphasize stupidly) ambitious as we are. I mean, they probably are assholes that deserve a good kick in the nads, but god drat would we have stories to tell if we rolled with them.
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I vote we back Count Von Hoff in Angola. The Steampunk guy seems like a bad idea, because it'll be a horribly run scam. The dictator is straight out. The hippie situation in the Bering Straight can resolve itself. Don't give a fuuuuuck.
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Voting for Bearing Sea: Anger Peace, we need to save this planet the only way we know how. Blowing poo poo up.
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can we backstab the steampunk shits if we work for them? I mean you guys talk about needing a base and all...
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Dr. Snark posted:Come on man. Look at them. They've got nothing aside from mercs-they would pay through the loving nose for any kind of support. Thefluffy posted:can we backstab the steampunk shits if we work for them? I mean you guys talk about needing a base and all... I can tell you right now what is probably gonna happen: They'll promise support that they won't hire and when we win anyway, they'll reveal their kickstarted army of superdrones that will malfunction and burn down, leaving neither of us with any money. We'll be left in desperate need of a contract while Chris Roberts is back to selling star citizen ships.
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Dr. Snark posted:Come on man. Look at them. They've got nothing aside from mercs-they would pay through the loving nose for any kind of support. Knowing them, they'd probably pay us in "Free State Scrip" or some other worthless currency. Dr. Snark posted:Besides our two groups really aren't that different-both us and the Free State have/are pissing off power blocs far more dangerous than ourselves. Not to mention that these guys seem like they're as stupidly (and I'd like to emphasize stupidly) ambitious as we are. Okay, first off, gently caress you for comparing us, second off, there's a huge difference between going in to support humanitarian aid and getting dragged into a bigger conflict and resurrecting a model of war that involves going to war over bat poop so that techbros can source their iPhone 13s marginally cheaper. Dr. Snark posted:I mean, they probably are assholes that deserve a good kick in the nads, but god drat would we have stories to tell if we rolled with them. We'd have stories to tell our lawyers to get our money back after they cheat us out of our contract on some stupid-rear end technicality. Also WRT procurement: I'm not sure if we need another tanker--if anything the one we already have has nearly screwed us twice over! And would a Tornado ECR be better than a Prowler?
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If y'all don't buy the two M163 VADS to tool around shooting up Angola then I can only conclude you hate fun. *vvvvVVVVRRRRMMMMMM**BRAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT*
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Neophyte posted:If y'all don't buy the two M163 VADS to tool around shooting up Angola then I can only conclude you hate fun. Honestly, if we really want good AA we'd probably buy Soviet, because those guys really know their AA, but I don't trust that dealer.
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Definitely Go to Angola and Help out von Hoff. The Bering Sea is a nightmare that will only get us on the poo poo list of every superpower in the universe, while we have a chance to actually do something good in Africa, specifically loving the Free State up something ferocious.
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Dr. Snark posted:
Yeah "they tried to pay us in proprietary bitcoins so we blew their base up and sold the survivors to a lithium mine" would be a pretty rad story on that note Lets help out von Hoff in angola as your not a real merc company until you operate in a sub-saharan african country. Agean90 fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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We should go to Angola for three reasons: 1) More ground missions using Phoenix Command 2) Buy and use Apaches 3) Buy and use SPAA vehicles
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It's still technically not theater voting time, by the way. Let's figure out what we're buying before Yooper yells at us for jumping the gun again.
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